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DOT Proposes Bus Lanes for Bx7, Bx9 and Bx20 Buses, Infuriating Some

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Bus lane proposal gets cool reception

Posted June 16, 2019

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A Bx9 travels south along Broadway, part of a corridor that could get significantly more crowded if the city’s transportation department installs bus lanes between West 225th and West 230th streets.

JULIUS CONSTANTINE MOTAL

By JOSEPH KONIG & HEATHER SMITH

 

First it was bicycle lanes sandwiching Broadway along Van Cortlandt Park. Now, if the city’s transportation department gets its way, it could be bus lanes just a mile or so south in Marble Hill.

DOT officials are floating a proposal to add daytime bus lane restrictions between West 225th and West 230th streets, vexing Community Board 8’s executive committee, still weary from the bike lane debacle of a year ago.

Dan Padernacht, chair of the CB8’s traffic and transportation committee, received a call from DOT officials last month requesting time to present the plan during his June committee meeting.

“DOT wants to come in two weeks,” Padernacht said. “I don’t think we should put them on the agenda because I don’t think we can handle that much notice in getting the word out.”

The transportation department wants to limit a northbound and southbound lane on Broadway to buses only from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., Padernacht said. Doing so could eliminate parking and snarl traffic heading over the Broadway Bridge to and from Manhattan. DOT wants to meet with CB8’s traffic and transportation committee as soon as possible, Padernacht added, to ensure the change gets done before the end of the year.

“That’s insane,” CB8 chair Rosemary Ginty said.

Adding bus lanes could create tremendous implications — and unintended consequences — that could reach far beyond the immediate area.

“It drives me crazy with DOT,” Ginty said. “It drives me crazy that when you say, ‘Why are you doing it? Give me the justification,’ you don’t get an answer.”

CB8 member David Gellman wondered aloud if the transportation department’s plan was to address congestion on and just south of Broadway Bridge.

“Because that is always a mess,” he said. “That may be what they’re trying to address, but they’re not telling us that.”

“I think this might make that worse,” Padernacht said. “I think this is their bigger issue of getting people out of cars, restricting traffic, getting people on mass transit.”

“This might mess up our only access to the closest hospital, too,” added Lisa Daub, CB8’s secretary. “So it’s a serious issue.”

Bus lanes are a common remedy for lagging and unreliable bus service. A 2018 study by the city comptroller’s office found that despite efficiency upgrades like bus lanes, problems persisted in select bus service routes like the Bx12. Where bus lanes existed, they weren’t designed to “repel general traffic and are too often under-enforced,” according to the study.

As a result, unauthorized vehicles often use bus lanes to pass, stand, pull into and out of parking spots, and to drop off passengers.

“Ideally, a single ticket (or the fear of receiving one) will make drivers more conscientious and alert, preventing any future infractions,” the study stated.

But almost 12,000 unique vehicles received five or more tickets for bus lane violations in the 18 months before the study was published.

“In my personal opinion from what I’ve seen outside of the district, I think adding bus lanes makes traffic worse,” Padernacht later told The Riverdale Press. “I don’t necessarily know that the savings in time is worth the congestion of traffic and delay to any response times that might occur for emergency services.”

Board members were perturbed by how fast transportation officials had hoped to push a presentation through, Padernacht said. Two weeks was not enough time to explain the issue’s importance to all members of the community, and the traffic and transportation chair would rather ask DOT to make its presentation in the fall instead, after CB8’s summer recess.

DOT officials did not return requests for comment.

Because transportation officials gave few details in their initial conversation about the plan, it’s unclear where each lane would be, or if it means losing parking spots.

“We don’t have any detailed drawings,” Padernacht said. “We have no renderings or presentations. I only have those bare-bones concepts.”

The 1 train line runs parallel to Broadway’s southbound lanes. Partitions of its elevated track separate the outermost southbound lane, which makes placing bus lanes tricky.

“On that side you’re talking about one bus lane and one travel lane because nobody travels on the inside (lane) because it’s not safe to drive through there,” Padernacht said. “People use that to pull in and out of parking spots.”

Until DOT addresses big questions about potential traffic, congestion and bottlenecking resulting from installing bus lanes on that stretch of Broadway, CB8 is disinclined from backing the project, Padernacht said.

Source: https://riverdalepress.com/stories/bus-lane-proposal-gets-cool-reception,69195?fbclid=IwAR3-VUFjFJsroCk_nPvEdfUh5aFy_kXpRuiwiq5ePP3UlD9ddhbh9BgEcTM

 

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People need to realize, NYC is a public transit city. If you own a car and insist of driving around in it, you'll going to be in some traffic. I'll rather please the people that are saving the environment by being in a bus that people that want to drive alone.

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36 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Bus lane proposal gets cool reception

Posted June 16, 2019

20190612-102705-BusLane-6.jpg

A Bx9 travels south along Broadway, part of a corridor that could get significantly more crowded if the city’s transportation department installs bus lanes between West 225th and West 230th streets.

JULIUS CONSTANTINE MOTAL

By JOSEPH KONIG & HEATHER SMITH

 

First it was bicycle lanes sandwiching Broadway along Van Cortlandt Park. Now, if the city’s transportation department gets its way, it could be bus lanes just a mile or so south in Marble Hill.

DOT officials are floating a proposal to add daytime bus lane restrictions between West 225th and West 230th streets, vexing Community Board 8’s executive committee, still weary from the bike lane debacle of a year ago.

Dan Padernacht, chair of the CB8’s traffic and transportation committee, received a call from DOT officials last month requesting time to present the plan during his June committee meeting.

“DOT wants to come in two weeks,” Padernacht said. “I don’t think we should put them on the agenda because I don’t think we can handle that much notice in getting the word out.”

The transportation department wants to limit a northbound and southbound lane on Broadway to buses only from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., Padernacht said. Doing so could eliminate parking and snarl traffic heading over the Broadway Bridge to and from Manhattan. DOT wants to meet with CB8’s traffic and transportation committee as soon as possible, Padernacht added, to ensure the change gets done before the end of the year.

“That’s insane,” CB8 chair Rosemary Ginty said.

Adding bus lanes could create tremendous implications — and unintended consequences — that could reach far beyond the immediate area.

“It drives me crazy with DOT,” Ginty said. “It drives me crazy that when you say, ‘Why are you doing it? Give me the justification,’ you don’t get an answer.”

CB8 member David Gellman wondered aloud if the transportation department’s plan was to address congestion on and just south of Broadway Bridge.

“Because that is always a mess,” he said. “That may be what they’re trying to address, but they’re not telling us that.”

“I think this might make that worse,” Padernacht said. “I think this is their bigger issue of getting people out of cars, restricting traffic, getting people on mass transit.”

“This might mess up our only access to the closest hospital, too,” added Lisa Daub, CB8’s secretary. “So it’s a serious issue.”

Bus lanes are a common remedy for lagging and unreliable bus service. A 2018 study by the city comptroller’s office found that despite efficiency upgrades like bus lanes, problems persisted in select bus service routes like the Bx12. Where bus lanes existed, they weren’t designed to “repel general traffic and are too often under-enforced,” according to the study.

As a result, unauthorized vehicles often use bus lanes to pass, stand, pull into and out of parking spots, and to drop off passengers.

“Ideally, a single ticket (or the fear of receiving one) will make drivers more conscientious and alert, preventing any future infractions,” the study stated.

But almost 12,000 unique vehicles received five or more tickets for bus lane violations in the 18 months before the study was published.

“In my personal opinion from what I’ve seen outside of the district, I think adding bus lanes makes traffic worse,” Padernacht later told The Riverdale Press. “I don’t necessarily know that the savings in time is worth the congestion of traffic and delay to any response times that might occur for emergency services.”

Board members were perturbed by how fast transportation officials had hoped to push a presentation through, Padernacht said. Two weeks was not enough time to explain the issue’s importance to all members of the community, and the traffic and transportation chair would rather ask DOT to make its presentation in the fall instead, after CB8’s summer recess.

DOT officials did not return requests for comment.

Because transportation officials gave few details in their initial conversation about the plan, it’s unclear where each lane would be, or if it means losing parking spots.

“We don’t have any detailed drawings,” Padernacht said. “We have no renderings or presentations. I only have those bare-bones concepts.”

The 1 train line runs parallel to Broadway’s southbound lanes. Partitions of its elevated track separate the outermost southbound lane, which makes placing bus lanes tricky.

“On that side you’re talking about one bus lane and one travel lane because nobody travels on the inside (lane) because it’s not safe to drive through there,” Padernacht said. “People use that to pull in and out of parking spots.”

Until DOT addresses big questions about potential traffic, congestion and bottlenecking resulting from installing bus lanes on that stretch of Broadway, CB8 is disinclined from backing the project, Padernacht said.

Source: https://riverdalepress.com/stories/bus-lane-proposal-gets-cool-reception,69195?fbclid=IwAR3-VUFjFJsroCk_nPvEdfUh5aFy_kXpRuiwiq5ePP3UlD9ddhbh9BgEcTM

 

OH THANK GOD!!!!

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29 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

OH THANK GOD!!!!

Figured you'd have something to say. Is that BxM3 bus stop up yet at 262nd and Broadway?

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Quite frankly I never get the emergency services canard; the ambulance and police and FD can all use the bus lanes if they want.

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This corridor isn't even one of their cited 24 in the "Better Buses" plan that was hatched to bolster DuhBlahzio's 2019 speech promises. Sounds like some people over at DOT are out to "prove themselves", and taking advantage of the opportunity the MTA Bronx bus overhaul plan has provided. (Mainly the bully-pulpit.)

Notice the DOT doesn't answer any questions about how their wondrous Bus Lanes don't perform as advertised due to NO enforcement? And with this idea, has the DOT provided CB8 their own research of how the diverted traffic will not impact other surrounding streets? Of course not. (Just like anywhere else they've made these "improvements" around the city.)

But this has got to be from someone using the "Better Buses" program and the bus redesign as a springboard/justification.

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2 hours ago, DetSMART45 said:

This corridor isn't even one of their cited 24 in the "Better Buses" plan that was hatched to bolster DuhBlahzio's 2019 speech promises. Sounds like some people over at DOT are out to "prove themselves", and taking advantage of the opportunity the MTA Bronx bus overhaul plan has provided. (Mainly the bully-pulpit.)

Notice the DOT doesn't answer any questions about how their wondrous Bus Lanes don't perform as advertised due to NO enforcement? And with this idea, has the DOT provided CB8 their own research of how the diverted traffic will not impact other surrounding streets? Of course not. (Just like anywhere else they've made these "improvements" around the city.)

But this has got to be from someone using the "Better Buses" program and the bus redesign as a springboard/justification.

I spoke with a few DOT reps about this briefly up in Pelham Bay the other night. I understand CB8's concerns.  First off if this is not done correctly, traffic in that area will be a nightmare. Second, they have done this with very little notice and time for discussion. It's like they came up with it at the last minute, and then BOOM, here it is.

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