BM5 via Woodhaven Posted June 21, 2019 Share #1 Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/190624_1030_Transit.pdf Page 194-197 From the document: Quote Purpose To obtain Presidential approval, and to inform the NYC Transit and MTA Bus Committee, of schedule adjustments on the , and routes. Adjustments are warranted on the , and to accommodate planned maintenance and construction work on the right-of-way. Discussion NYC Transit is proposing to make changes to some evening and late-night schedules on the , and subway lines in November 2019 to accommodate the rigorous maintenance, repair and construction projects associated with the Subway Action Plan and other efforts to improve service, while also operating the best service possible for our customers as this essential work is underway. Over the past two years, NYC Transit has been working intensively to improve the reliability of the service we provide to our customers. This work includes clearing tens of thousands of grates and drains, sealing thousands of leaks, repairing or replacing miles of track, removing tons of debris, and rebuilding thousands of signal components. Our most recent statistics show continued dramatic improvement in subway performance, with the highest on-time performance numbers in more than half a decade. This demonstrates that the State and City’s substantial investment in infrastructure and maintenance improvements under the Subway Action Plan are yielding remarkably positive results, and illustrates the rewards of the planned service changes. Subway ontime performance for April reached its highest level since October 2013—nearly 80 percent. In addition, major incidents decreased 32 percent from last April, matching the fewest since measurement began in 2015. Furthermore, weekday delays decreased 35 percent from last April, reaching the lowest level since December 2013. One of the contributing factors to the reduction in subway delays has been the significant progress made in reducing track debris fires. Year-to-date track fires have dropped by 52 percent compared to 2018. As much of our repair, upgrade, and intensified maintenance activities are performed during evening and latenight hours, we are seeking to maximize the productivity of our workforce during those times. This necessitates adjustments in our operations to accommodate the unprecedented level of work that is underway. The schedule changes would reduce the span of weekday evening service on the and subway lines by under one hour and extend the span of service to New Lots Av on the by under one hour to facilitate track replacement, signal and power cable upgrades, and drain cleaning that requires transitioning to the overnight service pattern earlier than previously scheduled. These changes – already implemented regularly via temporary schedules most weeknights – will help customers plan ahead with a stable and reliable schedule. Incorporating these schedule revisions in our base timetables will result in more efficient and less costly service, while providing more consistent evening and late night service for our customers. Basic information about these schedule adjustments are below: Five line roundtrips, operating on weekdays from approximaely 10:30 p.m. to 11:30 p.m between Harlem-148 St and New Lots Ave, will change to operations between Harlem-148 St and Times Square. Service to and from New Lots Ave during these times will be delivered by the line. Four line roundtrips, operating on weekdays from approximately 10:30 p.m. to 11:30 p.m. between Woodlawn and Crown Heights-Utica Ave, will extend to operations between Woodlawn and New Lots Ave. Five line roundtrips, operating weekdays from approximately 10:00 p.m.to 11:00 p.m. between Easchester-Dyre Ave and Bowling Green, will be replaced by four roundtrips between Eastchester-Dyre Ave and E 180 St. Customers traveling between Manhattan and E 180 St may take the line and connecting services. Service Plan NYCT routinely evaluates the impact of capital construction and ongoing maintenance work on train operations and adjusts schedules to accommodate this necessary work. Frequent maintenance and construction work on A Division lines (numbered routes) often require curtailment via supplement schedules of normal weekday evening service, transitioning to the overnight service pattern earlier than in the base timetables. Under these situations, the , which normally operates between Harlem-148 St and New Lots Avenue evenings, begins its overnight service pattern less than one hour earlier, operating between Harlem-148 St and Times Square only. The , which normally operates evenings between Woodlawn and Crown Heights-Utica Avenue, is extended out to New Lots Avenue to replace the in Brooklyn. The , which normally operates evenings between Eastchester-Dyre Avenue and Bowling Green, becomes a shuttle between Eastchester-Dyre Avenue and East 180 St in the Bronx less than one hour earlier. Recommendation Implement schedule adjustments on , and routes to accommodate maintenance and capital projects. Alternatives NYCT would not make routine schedule adjustments to accommodate maintenance and capital projects on , and . Budget Impact Implementation of the proposed , and schedule changes would save approximately $0.9 million annually in the operating budget and reduce the need for overtime. Implementation Date , and schedule changes would be implemented in November 2019. Edited June 21, 2019 by BM5 via Woodhaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted June 21, 2019 Share #2 Posted June 21, 2019 At least it's mid-late evening... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted June 21, 2019 Share #3 Posted June 21, 2019 Who didn’t see this coming? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted June 21, 2019 Share #4 Posted June 21, 2019 1 hour ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said: http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/190624_1030_Transit.pdf Page 194-197 From the document: They only posted it on the new website. RRRR 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted June 21, 2019 Share #5 Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) I wonder if they'll end the from Flatbush 1/2 hr early they wanted work done? or run 10 min headways after the Flatbush Av trip. Seems that the mostly gets service changes a lot. Edited June 21, 2019 by Calvin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelestor Posted June 21, 2019 Share #6 Posted June 21, 2019 Honestly I'm fine with service cuts after the evenings if it will save money in overtime costs and the savings could be redirected to capacity increases at other times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted June 21, 2019 Share #7 Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Caelestor said: Honestly I'm fine with service cuts after the evenings if it will save money in overtime costs and the savings could be redirected to capacity increases at other times. They won't use it for that. This once again proves that this is MOW's railroad. Edited June 21, 2019 by Union Tpke 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted June 23, 2019 Share #8 Posted June 23, 2019 Sigh. I feel like the and will be more crowded without the and to help them out. I rather have all part-time lines run all the way from 6 a.m. to midnight instead of this constant GOs getting in the way. But I guess there's just no way around that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted June 23, 2019 Share #9 Posted June 23, 2019 I just can't get over how normalized sacrificing service for track access has become. Why isn't anyone crying out about productivity or flagging or GO format? Again, literally nowhere else in the world has such a maintenance problem as us -- the question here should be "how do we streamline maintenance practices to achieve more with less?" not "how much time can we spend doing maintenance before we have no ridership?" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted June 23, 2019 Share #10 Posted June 23, 2019 The will have to handle almost all of the Bronx riders between Bowling Green and 125th Street weekday evenings as the only express. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted June 23, 2019 Share #11 Posted June 23, 2019 I plan on speaking out against this at the NYCT meeting on Monday. I hope my other fellow members consider attending meetings at speaking out. It is June, and may of the members of the forum are high-school/college aged and don't have school right now-take advantage of the opportunity. We talk about stuff all day on the forums, but that isn't causing change. Speak out. Let your voice be heard. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted June 23, 2019 Share #12 Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Union Tpke said: I plan on speaking out against this at the NYCT meeting on Monday. I hope my other fellow members consider attending meetings at speaking out. It is June, and may of the members of the forum are high-school/college aged and don't have school right now-take advantage of the opportunity. We talk about stuff all day on the forums, but that isn't causing change. Speak out. Let your voice be heard. Second. We have some really good, active advocates on here -- like @Union Tpke and @Via Garibaldi 8 -- and it's time we followed their lead. The people on this forum generally hold more informed an nuanced positions on transit than do New Yorkers in general; if we want to see progress, it's our prerogative to spread said views. Edited June 23, 2019 by RR503 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted June 24, 2019 Share #13 Posted June 24, 2019 I don’t see these changes being too problematic as long as the MTA decides to add service to the and which I honestly doubt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted June 24, 2019 Share #14 Posted June 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said: I don’t see these changes being too problematic as long as the MTA decides to add service to the and which I honestly doubt. Why would they add service to the & when the whole purpose of eliminating part-time & service in Manhattan and Brooklyn by one hour is to accommodate flagging by track/signal workers? By generally running more frequent service would create train congestion caused by flagging with workers already working on the tracks and signals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted June 24, 2019 Share #15 Posted June 24, 2019 22 hours ago, Union Tpke said: I plan on speaking out against this at the NYCT meeting on Monday. I hope my other fellow members consider attending meetings at speaking out. It is June, and may of the members of the forum are high-school/college aged and don't have school right now-take advantage of the opportunity. We talk about stuff all day on the forums, but that isn't causing change. Speak out. Let your voice be heard. 22 hours ago, RR503 said: Second. We have some really good, active advocates on here -- like @Union Tpke and @Via Garibaldi 8 -- and it's time we followed their lead. The people on this forum generally hold more informed an nuanced positions on transit than do New Yorkers in general; if we want to see progress, it's our prerogative to spread said views. Agreed!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Broadway Express Posted June 25, 2019 Share #16 Posted June 25, 2019 On 6/22/2019 at 7:06 PM, RR503 said: I just can't get over how normalized sacrificing service for track access has become. Why isn't anyone crying out about productivity or flagging or GO format? Again, literally nowhere else in the world has such a maintenance problem as us -- the question here should be "how do we streamline maintenance practices to achieve more with less?" not "how much time can we spend doing maintenance before we have no ridership?" No one else has 24/7 service like New York City does. In London, there are a few Tube lines that do run at night on Friday and Saturday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted June 25, 2019 Share #17 Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Q Broadway Express said: No one else has 24/7 service like New York City does. In London, there are a few Tube lines that do run at night on Friday and Saturday. The 24/7 service excuse is an exceptionalist red herring. It isn’t like other subways are working on every inch of their track overnight, and they really only have a few productive hours to boot. In NYC, we shut not insignificant portions of the system for 55 hours at a time on weekends and put together long/extensive overnight shutdowns and still struggle to get the work done — NYCT has a higher ratio of maintenance employee hours to vehicle revenue hours than most American transit agencies, which is hardly a high bar... Edited June 25, 2019 by RR503 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted July 1, 2019 Share #18 Posted July 1, 2019 On 6/22/2019 at 9:56 PM, Jemorie said: Sigh. I feel like the and will be more crowded without the and to help them out. I rather have all part-time lines run all the way from 6 a.m. to midnight instead of this constant GOs getting in the way. But I guess there's just no way around that. Why not have the before Midnight run to Chambers or 14th? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted July 1, 2019 Share #19 Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Wallyhorse said: Why not have the before Midnight run to Chambers or 14th? And at the same time forcing the to make local stops in Manhattan while also dealing with delays due to the turning at Chambers? Certainly not. The , , , , , , and need to operate their entire routes all the way from 6 a.m. to midnight while at the same time their full-time counterparts run express. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted July 1, 2019 Share #20 Posted July 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Jemorie said: And at the same time forcing the to make local stops in Manhattan while also dealing with delays due to the turning at Chambers? Certainly not. The , , , , , , and need to operate their entire routes all the way from 6 a.m. to midnight while at the same time their full-time counterparts run express. The gives that up rather early into the evening, though... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68OnBroadway Posted July 2, 2019 Share #21 Posted July 2, 2019 9 hours ago, Lex said: The gives that up rather early into the evening, though... It'd also be great to see the run past 9 pm at least one once this year... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted July 2, 2019 Share #22 Posted July 2, 2019 46 minutes ago, R68OnBroadway said: It'd also be great to see the run past 9 pm at least one once this year... That's a false equivalency. One has been scheduled as such for years, whereas the other is incidental. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted July 2, 2019 Share #23 Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Lex said: That's a false equivalency. One has been scheduled as such for years, whereas the other is incidental. What do you mean by this? Both and trains are scheduled to run later than they do most evenings, the cuts being by fiat of supplement... Edited July 2, 2019 by RR503 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted July 19, 2019 Share #24 Posted July 19, 2019 @RR503 Something just occurred to me. Now, when service ends at Times Square, service runs local. With service ending at Times Square an hour earlier, wouldn't that bottle up service, screwing things up more? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted July 19, 2019 Share #25 Posted July 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Union Tpke said: @RR503 Something just occurred to me. Now, when service ends at Times Square, service runs local. With service ending at Times Square an hour earlier, wouldn't that bottle up service, screwing things up more? It very well may, but there’s also a good chance they’ll rewrite the schedule to have s begin local service earlier. Really speaking, they should just double end the s and not schedule some endless layover so you can get away sans fumigation, but the chances of that... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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