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Nov 2019 Service Changes: (5) shuttle to begin earlier, (3) and (5) service to end earlier in Manhattan & Brooklyn


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Just now, RR503 said:

It very well may, but there’s also a good chance they’ll rewrite the schedule to have (2)s begin local service earlier. 

Really speaking, they should just double end the (3)s and not schedule some endless layover so you can get away sans fumigation, but the chances of that...

Wouldn't they be required to state the change in (2) service here?

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At least with the 2 being local (hopefully) the whole Times Square fumigation fiasco is gone. Its really annoying having to sit behind a 3 for 10 minutes because someone refuses to detrain. Realistically they should have those 3's drop out at 34th Street and just double end the move into the spur if possible. 

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2 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

@RR503 Something just occurred to me. Now, when (3) service ends at Times Square, (2) service runs local. With (3) service ending at Times Square an hour earlier, wouldn't that bottle up (2) service, screwing things up more?

They already do this now from 11:47pm (first (3) shuttle) to 12:17am (last (2) express). They will just be doing this a bit longer now.

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On 7/1/2019 at 12:40 PM, Jemorie said:

And at the same time forcing the (2) to make local stops in Manhattan while also dealing with delays due to the (3) turning at Chambers? Certainly not.

Why would the (3) turn at Chambers? In theory, if you're running the (2) local (technically there's still overlap, but that could be done away with), you could just do the (3) to 14th with a wrong-rail switchover as happened on weekends for years. The only bottleneck there would be with northbound (3) express service (not that frequent anyway), but if the (2) is local and the timing is right, it wouldn't be too complicated. (3) to 14th would be infinitely, infinitely more useful than 42nd when you consider the (L) and (F) connection possibilities. 

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17 hours ago, MHV9218 said:

Why would the (3) turn at Chambers? In theory, if you're running the (2) local (technically there's still overlap, but that could be done away with), you could just do the (3) to 14th with a wrong-rail switchover as happened on weekends for years. The only bottleneck there would be with northbound (3) express service (not that frequent anyway), but if the (2) is local and the timing is right, it wouldn't be too complicated. (3) to 14th would be infinitely, infinitely more useful than 42nd when you consider the (L) and (F) connection possibilities. 

I agree that the (3) on late nights should operate to 14 st or even south ferry instead of times square....you also provide connections to penn station 34st (L) (F) and the path train at 14st

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14th is a good place to do it, however you can't terminate there because thats where the last few (3)'s of the night are stored. 34th is definitely the best option, plus its out of the way of the (2) as well. Eliminates the whole fumigating fiasco at Times Square.

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1 hour ago, bwwnyc123 said:

They could also have the (2) operate Express between 34 St and Chambers St. Then Local between 42 St and 96 St until after 11:30pm and then start making all Local stops.

I think the setup would need to be reversed:

express 96 St to Times Sq, local 34 St to Chambers St

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1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

I think the setup would need to be reversed:

express 96 St to Times Sq, local 34 St to Chambers St

Because they said in fall (3) would start the Shuttle service to Times Sq early. It would use the Express tracks. That would make the (2) Local and then I suggested for the (2) Express 34 St and Chambers St.

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7 hours ago, bwwnyc123 said:

Because they said in fall (3) would start the Shuttle service to Times Sq early. It would use the Express tracks. That would make the (2) Local and then I suggested for the (2) Express 34 St and Chambers St.

You can't have it express between 34 and Chambers because of the (3) turning at 14 though. That's why the (2) being express between 96 and Times Sq is better.

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