Queens Existing Conditions Report Released

[paulrivera]

5 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

Separate from the whole Federal Circle crap (which I don't see happening), you can get away with eradicating either branch of the Q10 & the Q10 would still do good for itself

The Q10 north of the split does pretty well, I'll admit that.

IF the Q10 ends up stopping short of the terminals, Federal Circle would provide more frequent Airtrain service than Lefferts. But I wonder who's gonna end up pushing back for the Q3/Q10 being cut short: The riders or the Port Authority itself? If I'm the Port I wouldn't want to pay for more shuttles from Federal Circle to the non-terminal areas (remember, the buses do serve intermediate points on airport property like hangars, training facilities, and other miscellaneous stuff that I'm blanking out on at the moment.)

[Cait Sith]

1 minute ago, B35 via Church said:

I hate to sound like the narrator of a horror movie, but nothing is safe/forgotten..... There's also no sign of the Q1, 36, or Q50 either.... Anything we don't see, is dust - that is, unless the "right" people (those with enough clout) do whatever is that they do behind the scenes to get the MTA to cower & rescind a particular proposal that doesn't loom beneficial to/for the patrons they represent....

Anyway, yeah, I pointed that out last night/early this morning.... That's a diverted & extended Q8 along New Lots & Hegeman to the Hegeman entrance of Brookdale (I guess they need space for those Q52's they want to send to Gateway... LOL!).... Taxi's currently idle on that side of the hospital.... While it would make for a decent layover spot for a bus (hell, some B8 drivers currently layover along 98th in that immediate vicinity, just before E. 98th spills into Hegeman), the turnover scenario would straight up suck.... If that's a presage of what's to happen here in Brooklyn (as in, anything involving the B15 and/or severing the connection to JFK), whoo hoo boy!! I can tell you right now that nobody around here is all that interested in getting to Jamaica on one bus, or anywhere along the Q8 east of City Line......

Separate from the whole Federal Circle crap (which I don't see happening), you can get away with eradicating either branch of the Q10 & the Q10 would still do good for itself - that is, as long as you have the Q37 covering enough of Lefferts south of Rockaway (if you get rid of the Q10 Lefferts Branch), or you have the Q9 covering enough of 130th south of Rockaway (if you get rid of the Q10 130th st branch, as the MTA's proposing in this map).... It's not like, say, the B17, where the Seaview Branch is leaps & bounds more patronized than that of the Paerdegat/E. 80th branch....

I was reminded by Seveneleven off of here that the Q50 was in The Bronx plan since it was classified as a Bronx Division route, it was also mentioned in The Bronx plan that there would be no changes to the Queens portion of the route.

Focusing on the routes near me and such, I notice that there's a lot of overlapping which is confusing as hell, mostly with the Q54, Q55, Q56 and Q110 in particular. The fact that the map looks like it was designed by a bunch of kindergartners doesn't help matters either.

As for the Q9/Q37 scenario, if the perceived notion of the Q10 130th Street Branch cut actually happens, they better have more buses on the Q9 and Q37. A lot of those 130th Street riders congregate all over the route from Liberty to Kew Gardens. I'm both worried and interested about this particular change in the draft plan.

If they do all of this and NOT touch the Q24, I'm gonna throw hammers at someone.

[checkmatechamp13]

8 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Wait so the Q10 branches are being split? What in the world are they doing!?

Yup, were screwed.

Not sure how, out of all of the things proposed in the plan, that is what stands out as a screw-up.

6 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

The section on 130th St is actually the lightest of the whole line so that I can care less about.

130th is gonna be replaced by a revamped Q9 if I understand the map correctly.

That is correct. The Q9 will also replace the Lakewood Avenue portion of the Q40 to try and keep routes on wider streets (so the Q40 goes down less of 142nd, and the Q9 avoids Lincoln Street and goes along 130th)

1 hour ago, Cait Sith said:

I just found the map in question, and I noticed some routes aren't in there, I hope it's because they're safe(because I don't see the Q41 on there).

Every route you see is what is in the new network, changed or not. The Q41 is being eliminated and riders will have to use the Q8/24/112 for travel between Ozone Park & Jamaica, and that branch of a Woodhaven route to reach Lindenwood. Then there's also the Q9 and that Linden Blvd route that some people can use.

[Cait Sith]

1 hour ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

Not sure how, out of all of the things proposed in the plan, that is what stands out as a screw-up.

That is correct. The Q9 will also replace the Lakewood Avenue portion of the Q40 to try and keep routes on wider streets (so the Q40 goes down less of 142nd, and the Q9 avoids Lincoln Street and goes along 130th)

Every route you see is what is in the new network, changed or not. The Q41 is being eliminated and riders will have to use the Q8/24/112 for travel between Ozone Park & Jamaica, and that branch of a Woodhaven route to reach Lindenwood. Then there's also the Q9 and that Linden Blvd route that some people can use.

Shhhhhh, stop trying to break my heart😂

Edited December 18, 2019 by Cait Sith

[Union Tpke]

10 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

Wait for Dec 30th for the whole redesign to be released. Remember the point of the "last" Redesign meeting is to present an overall draft, not all the routes planned.

I disagree. The sooner we understand what these garbage proposals are, the sooner we can fight them about it. We can call our local electeds and get them to stand up and halt some of the stupid decisions made.

Edited December 19, 2019 by Union Tpke
grammars

[B35 via Church]

1 hour ago, Cait Sith said:

The map design is horrible, so there's no clear way of telling if they're axing the Q20A/B. I would've accepted them ending the route at Sutphin/Jamaica, but Briarwood....for one, there's NO layover spots there. It's almost impossible for them to shorten the route there just for that reason alone. That will cause a massive controversy in that area alone if it becomes the case.

Yeah, the design is shit & the quality of the screenshot isn't the greatest, however, speculative perception is all we got right now...... I'm convinced they're suggesting axing the Q20; especially looking at the network in College Point (the neighborhood), which speaks for itself..... I'm not saying I agree with any of this, but it appears as if they're having both [a 73rd av route] and [a main st route (that's not the Q44/SBS)] utilizing Vleigh pl. to get to/from Union Tpke ....

You might want to commence distributing a couple thousand extra of those hammers for those folks.....

21 minutes ago, paulrivera said:

The Q10 north of the split does pretty well, I'll admit that.

IF the Q10 ends up stopping short of the terminals, Federal Circle would provide more frequent Airtrain service than Lefferts. But I wonder who's gonna end up pushing back for the Q3/Q10 being cut short: The riders or the Port Authority itself? If I'm the Port I wouldn't want to pay for more shuttles from Federal Circle to the non-terminal areas (remember, the buses do serve intermediate points on airport property like hangars, training facilities, and other miscellaneous stuff that I'm blanking out on at the moment.)

They'll passively push/suggest airport workers into taking airport shuttles..... I'd argue the MTA is (fallaciously) catering to airport travelers over airport workers with these routes that run inside JFK/LGA.....

21 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

I was reminded by Seveneleven off of here that the Q50 was in The Bronx plan since it was classified as a Bronx Division route, it was also mentioned in The Bronx plan that there would be no changes to the Queens portion of the route.

Focusing on the routes near me and such, I notice that there's a lot of overlapping which is confusing as hell, mostly with the Q54, Q55, Q56 and Q110 in particular. The fact that the map looks like it was designed by a bunch of kindergartners doesn't help matters either.

As for the Q9/Q37 scenario, if the perceived notion of the Q10 130th Street Branch cut actually happens, they better have more buses on the Q9 and Q37. A lot of those 130th Street riders congregate all over the route from Liberty to Kew Gardens. I'm both worried and interested about this particular change in the draft plan.

If they do all of this and NOT touch the Q24, I'm gonna throw hammers at someone.

Separate from anything involving this redesign, the crux of the problem in that area of the borough as I see it, is & has been the Q37 for the longest.... Something has to give & if the solution involves de-branching the Q10, I'm inclined to concur with it.... I never cared for how (poorly) the Q37 is integrated with the network..... IMO, at minimum, they need to stop shying away from having it utilize Rockaway Blvd.... If they could have it cut through casino property to access 133rd or 135th, they would.....

Now that we have a general idea of what the network "looks" like (even though we don't fully, singularly know what each suggestion entails), I'm now more inquisitive about the service levels of these routes...

17 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

Shhhhhh, stop trying to break my heart😂

Lol.... Your optimism shows in your posts, not sure if you realize that or not.... That's good, because to me, the MTA is guilty until proven innocent.....

[Hound]

11 hours ago, 67thAve said:

No 1. It helps 2 save $$$ for d MTA, as u dont need 2 hir a prufreder.

As far as proofreading goes,the service changes for buses on the MTA website always has mistakes. For example;Ave instead of street,right turn instead of left,etc. Seems like it's done by people that know nothing about the system.

[Cait Sith]

9 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

Lol.... Your optimism shows in your posts, not sure if you realize that or not.... That's good, because to me, the MTA is guilty until proven innocent.....

As hopeless as it is(for me at least), I gotta be at least a little bit optimistic that the Q41 might actually survive 😂

I'm already prepared for the worst when it comes to my area and the Q10, especially since cutting it to Federal Circle is gonna kick them in their ass, especially with the lack of space in that immediate area.

[Hound]

21 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

From what I can (somewhat) discern from said map screenshot...

- A Northern Blvd route running clear along Northern from Northern blvd to Marathon Pkwy... Turns on Marathon Pkwy to HHE.... Takes HHE to LNP, to end where the Q30 does in Little Neck...

- A Springfield Blvd route running from Ft. Totten to (what looks like) Farmers/Rockaway blvd... Basically a combination of [the Q13 along Bell] and [the Q27 between Bell & 120th], with a southward extension to that general area around JFK Depot...

- A Francis Lewis Blvd. route that's basically a combination of the Q84 in Springfield Gardens, the Q77 along Francis Lewis, and the Q76 along Francis Lewis... Can't really tell what it does after reaching Willets Pt. (blvd)...

- A 188th st/Utopia Pkwy route running from Cambria Hgts. to the LeHavre apts... Basically [the Q83 between 227th & Liberty/Farmers], [the Q3 to Hillside], [the Q17 from Hillside to Utopia Pkwy], then runs clear up Utopia Pkwy. to the Cross Island, where it does the QM2 routing to Powell's Cove, where this suggested route ends....

- No direct service to any of the terminals inside JFK... Buses terminate at Federal Circle.

- Q9 extension to 150th av (over the current Q10 130th st branch)

- Q25 diversion north of Northern Blvd. that runs up to Poppenhusen (Shore Front Park) via College Point Blvd

- Q43 extension to LIJ

- Q44 truncation to Briarwood that takes the Whitestone Expwy. service rd (instead of Parsons) to get to/from the Bronx....

- A Linden Blvd. route that runs from 235th to Rockaway Blvd

- Something branching off along Hillside av to go Winchester <> Douglaston Pkwy > HHE > Community Dr., to North Shore Hospital

- Something resembling a combination of the old Q74 (with an extension) & today's Q25 (with modifications)... Looks like it begins at Union Tpke , then does the old Q74 to HHE, continues up along Main, to then go (what looks like) Northern > Linden (pl) > Ulmer > 130th, to 20th av... It clearly runs past the shopping center along 20th, but I can't really tell what it's doing over there around Clintonville...

- Can't tell where in Jamaica it terminates, but what looks to be a Sutphin Blvd route that does the Q7 south of Rockaway Blvd (as in, looping around JFK Cargo Plaza), to go on to ending at Federal Circle...

- Q83 diversion to JFK (Federal Circle) via Liberty, via Farmers

- Q84 truncation to Springfield blvd

- A westward Q112 extension to (what looks like) Crescent via Liberty & via Crescent

- Something branching off along Guy R. Brewer to run along Baisley, to then do the current Q85 b/w Baisley & (what looks like) LIRR Rosedale, where this thing terminates...

That's going to be some right turn to make from Northern Blvd onto Marathon Pkwy for the Q12.You'll have to swing wide from the left lane to do it.

[Union Tpke]

3 hours ago, Cait Sith said:

 It looks more like a Q7 extension than a Q112 extension. After zooming in, two green lines overlap, and it looks like the Q7 is the one getting extended.

I just found the map in question, and I noticed some routes aren't in there, I hope it's because they're safe(because I don't see the Q41 on there).

There are no apparent changes to the Q2 and it is still on there. I am sorry to say, but the Q41 is a goner.

[Cait Sith]

So I found out why the routes were truncated to Federal Circle temporarily. It's due to the Port Authority. Another hotel will be built and I believe terminal reconstruction is set to take place.
 

The airport routes will end up back in the airport. They're still trying to figure out where, since the Port Authority is the one pulling the strings.

 

[Lex]

24 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

So I found out why the routes were truncated to Federal Circle temporarily. It's due to the Port Authority. Another hotel will be built and I believe terminal reconstruction is set to take place.
 

The airport routes will end up back in the airport. They're still trying to figure out where, since the Port Authority is the one pulling the strings.

 

I seriously hope that's all it is.

[paulrivera]

5 hours ago, Cait Sith said:

So I found out why the routes were truncated to Federal Circle temporarily. It's due to the Port Authority. Another hotel will be built and I believe terminal reconstruction is set to take place.
 

The airport routes will end up back in the airport. They're still trying to figure out where, since the Port Authority is the one pulling the strings.

 

I forgot Cuomo unveiled plans to remodel JFK some years ago...

Then again, the buses moving from T4 to T5 was originally supposed to be temporary also. Only thing was the arrangement worked out so well for everybody that the buses never moved back (mainly because the area the buses terminate at now isn’t developed.... that won’t be the case much longer.)

[Union Tpke]

13 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

 

Separate from the whole Federal Circle crap (which I don't see happening), you can get away with eradicating either branch of the Q10 & the Q10 would still do good for itself - that is, as long as you have the Q37 covering enough of Lefferts south of Rockaway (if you get rid of the Q10 Lefferts Branch), or you have the Q9 covering enough of 130th south of Rockaway (if you get rid of the Q10 130th st branch, as the MTA's proposing in this map).... It's not like, say, the B17, where the Seaview Branch is leaps & bounds more patronized than that of the Paerdegat/E. 80th branch....

The Q37 is being rerouted off of 114th Street and 133rd Avenue and onto Rockaway Boulevard and Lefferts Boulevard.

[Q43LTD]

Is there a link to this map?

[B35 via Church]

On 12/18/2019 at 8:18 PM, Cait Sith said:

So I found out why the routes were truncated to Federal Circle temporarily. It's due to the Port Authority. Another hotel will be built and I believe terminal reconstruction is set to take place.
 

The airport routes will end up back in the airport. They're still trying to figure out where, since the Port Authority is the one pulling the strings.

So this is something that's currently ongoing & not something that's being originally/innovatively proposed for the redesign....

Good... Got it.... Thanks.

16 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

The Q37 is being rerouted off of 114th Street and 133rd Avenue and onto Rockaway Boulevard and Lefferts Boulevard.

...and also no longer serving the Casino.

Being that they no longer have the Q10 on 130th, I would have the revamped Q37 ending with the revamped Q9 down over there around 149th/150th....

25 minutes ago, Q43LTD said:

Is there a link to this map?

Even better (just click to enlarge😞

Edited December 20, 2019 by B35 via Church

[checkmatechamp13]

Here are the comments I submitted online: 

I have viewed the map from Queens Borough Hall that was presented online, and while there are a lot of things I like, there are some that I so not like.

The northern portion of the Q103 is being eliminated despite the Q103 being one of the quickest-growing routes in the city. Also the northern end is busier than the southern end but yet the northern end is the portion that doesn't get a replacement. This also cuts off access to the F line from the LIC/Astoria waterfront and forces everyone onto the N/W lines.

In the meantime, a bus is traveling the full length of 31st Street when the elevated train is right over it. I don't even think the portion of 31st Street that currently has Q102 service should be served, let alone duplicate the subway for an even longer distance. The two block portion at the northern end of the corridor isn't enough to justify a whole new route, especially not at the expense of Vernon Blvd.

I believe there is too much of a coverage gap around the 80th Street corridor in Middle Village. Basically the entire southern portion of the Q47 has been eliminated. I think a route on coverage headways between the Middle Village train station and the Woodside train station via 69th Street - Juniper Blvd South - 80th Street - Grand Avenue - 79th Street - Calamus Avenue/51st Avenue - 65th Place - Woodside Avenue would provide adequate coverage while avoiding some of the narrow streets and turns along the present-day Q38.

I also think the Q85 should be extended from the Rosedale LIRR station to end with the Q111 and provide access to the LIRR from the southern end of Rosedale (remember that the Atlantic Branch has a program where riders get a discounted weekly pass that is also valid on the local bus)

I also think the Linden Blvd crosstown route (which I am glad to see you went through with) should be extended to the present-day Q84 terminal, rather than extending the Francis Lewis Blvd route. This would provide Cambria Heights with a connection to the A train for quicker access to Downtown Brooklyn & Lower Manhattan. I also think the eastern portion of the route (whether it is the Linden Blvd route or Francis Lewis Blvd route) should be adjusted to operate down 234th Street and then turn around via 130th Avenue - Laurelton Parkway terminate at Merrick Blvd, and then come up Merrick Blvd & 234th Street for the return trip. This would provide connections to the Q5 (for access to Green Acres) & N4 (for access into Nassau).

I believe that Hillside Avenue - Marathon Parkway route should run up Little Neck Parkway instead, as that corridor is significantly more dense and pedestrian-friendly.

I can understand a Q7 extension to Far Rockaway but anything further is overkill. You basically have it taking over the entire Q22 which will make that route extremely unreliable. Also I still believe the neighborhood of Bayswater could use a route. Having the present-day Q22 operate via Beach Channel Drive - Beach 32nd Street/Norton Drive - Bayswater Avenue/Mott Avenue would provide coverage to Bayswater, as well as the portion of Far Rockaway around the Rachel Arms Apartments. The Q113 should be extended to Beach 36th Street to maintain network coverage on the portion currently served by the Q22 (perhaps alternate buses could be truncated at the Far Rockaway station in the interest of cost-neutrality)

I also think the Q8 extension to Brookdale Hospital is overkill. Riders heading towards Ozone Park or Jamaica can take the B15 to Federal Circle (or Lefferts Blvd for the Q10 to Ozone Park). Unless something is being planned for the B15, but then that needs to be shown on the map too. (In the Existing Conditions Report it said the scope of the study is every route that touches Queens, which indicates that the B13 & B15 and any associated changes should be shown in this map as well)

 

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

47 minutes ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

I believe there is too much of a coverage gap around the 80th Street corridor in Middle Village. Basically the entire southern portion of the Q47 has been eliminated. I think a route on coverage headways between the Middle Village train station and the Woodside train station via 69th Street - Juniper Blvd South - 80th Street - Grand Avenue - 79th Street - Calamus Avenue/51st Avenue - 65th Place - Woodside Avenue would provide adequate coverage while avoiding some of the narrow streets and turns along the present-day Q38.

 

 

Yes a bus is needed on 80th Street, but a bus route on coverage headways to Woodside is not going to see much patronage. The existing service levels aren't enough for the Q47, especially during evening hours. Also, most Q47 riders getting on the bus along 80th Street (me included) are headed to Jackson Heights, most heading for the subway connections. There is very little intermediate ridership south of Roosevelt Avenue, with the exception of schoolkids. The express trains are more reliable to use than the  from Woodhaven Boulevard, coupled with the fact that the Q47 is generally more frequent throughout the day than the Q38. Also, a lot of ridership on the Q47 comes from the Calamus Avenue stops. Now, to be fair, more than a third of the bus the bus from the subway tends to tank at Calamus & 69th Place coming from Jackson Heights, but rest are getting off along Calamus Avenue and 80th Street, and that cannot be ignored. 

There's also the problem with the Q47 taking over parts of the Q67. Those riders on the lower portion of 69th are going to see a bus ride similar in time to Jackson Heights compared to the current Q67 to LIC. So these people will be on the subway for longer periods of time, and for those using the  , when they get to a  station, they'll only have half the amount of trains available since they will be dropped off at a local stop. 

Edited December 20, 2019 by BM5 via Woodhaven

[checkmatechamp13]

@BM5 via Woodhaven It looks more like the Q18 going down 69th, with the Q47 at its original terminal (before it was merged with the Q45) of Jackson Heights. That 69th Street route definitely goes as far up as Broadway.

[jaf0519]

https://www.qchron.com/editions/queenswide/pol-we-re-really-depending-on-you/article_71314280-2329-5dd6-a452-7feacb4bc3d1.html

Things mentioned in the article that you wouldn’t get from the map that has be shown:

Q44 extended to Fordham Plaza

Q50 extended to LaGuardia Airport (I get that the Bronx wants a airport route, but why this?)

Q58 split into two routes, but they have the same terminals?

More buses to Lower Manhattan from Eastern Queens including Bayside, Springfield Gardens, Queens Village

Average stop spacing from 850 feet to 1,400 feet

Edited December 20, 2019 by jaf0519

[B35 via Church]

2 hours ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

I can understand a Q7 extension to Far Rockaway but anything further is overkill. You basically have it taking over the entire Q22 which will make that route extremely unreliable. Also I still believe the neighborhood of Bayswater could use a route. Having the present-day Q22 operate via Beach Channel Drive - Beach 32nd Street/Norton Drive - Bayswater Avenue/Mott Avenue would provide coverage to Bayswater, as well as the portion of Far Rockaway around the Rachel Arms Apartments. The Q113 should be extended to Beach 36th Street to maintain network coverage on the portion currently served by the Q22 (perhaps alternate buses could be truncated at the Far Rockaway station in the interest of cost-neutrality)

On that map, it doesn't look like a Q7 of sorts is running to Far Rockaway though.... That looks to me like both the Q7 & the Q22 are ending at the JFK depot...

1 hour ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

There's also the problem with the Q47 taking over parts of the Q67. Those riders on the lower portion of 69th are going to see a bus ride similar in time to Jackson Heights compared to the current Q67 to LIC. So these people will be on the subway for longer periods of time, and for those using the  , when they get to a  station, they'll only have half the amount of trains available since they will be dropped off at a local stop. 

Your point with regards to comparable commuting times for Middle Village riders getting to/from the with the Q67 vs the proposed 69th st route is duly noted....

However, the Q47 looks to be taking over parts of the Q53 (along Broadway, towards QB)..... That 69th st route looks to be taking over parts of the Q104 (along Broadway, towards 21st st).... In short, they're taking the upper portion of the Q47 & diverting it - while dissolving the lower portion (which is Checkmate's point regarding 80th st, which to me is the bigger issue)......

1 hour ago, jaf0519 said:

Things mentioned in the article that you wouldn’t get from the map that has be shown:

Q44 extended to Fordham Plaza

Well that explains cutting it back to Briarwood.

Edited December 20, 2019 by B35 via Church

[Cait Sith]

56 minutes ago, jaf0519 said:

https://www.qchron.com/editions/queenswide/pol-we-re-really-depending-on-you/article_71314280-2329-5dd6-a452-7feacb4bc3d1.html

Things mentioned in the article that you wouldn’t get from the map that has be shown:

Q44 extended to Fordham Plaza

Q50 extended to LaGuardia Airport (I get that the Bronx wants a airport route, but why this?)

Q58 split into two routes, but they have the same terminals?

More buses to Lower Manhattan from Eastern Queens including Bayside, Springfield Gardens, Queens Village

Average stop spacing from 850 feet to 1,400 feet

It sounds like they're gonna make a separate route with a slightly different route pattern.

11 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

That explains cutting it back to Briarwood

From the same source I heard about the Airport truncation, that same person said that the Q44 will still go to Jamaica.

[B35 via Church]

7 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

From the same source I heard about the Airport truncation, that same person said that the Q44 will still go to Jamaica.

If that's the case, the question now becomes, how far apart are these stops going to be placed on that route.... Running it along the Whitestone Expwy. service road isn't going to be enough, in terms of saved runtime (enough to justify that extension).... Opening the Q44 up to the shitshow that plagues Fordham plaza is a whole 'nother can of worms....

Edited December 20, 2019 by B35 via Church

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

1 hour ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

@BM5 via Woodhaven It looks more like the Q18 going down 69th, with the Q47 at its original terminal (before it was merged with the Q45) of Jackson Heights. That 69th Street route definitely goes as far up as Broadway.

 

34 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

Your point with regards to comparable commuting times for Middle Village riders getting to/from the with the Q67 vs the proposed 69th st route is duly noted....

However, the Q47 looks to be taking over parts of the Q53 (along Broadway, towards QB)..... That 69th st route looks to be taking over parts of the Q104 (along Broadway, towards 21st st).... In short, they're taking the upper portion of the Q47 & diverting it - while completely discontinuing the lower portion (which is Checkmate's point)......

 

If that's the case, that's even worse and would negatively impact so many more people, since now nobody in that general area can get to Jackson Heights, nor can they access the express trains (and have to rely solely on the  ). Truncating the Q53 at Queens Blvd (if it actually is the proposal) would also do such a disservice for people who get on the bus at Elmhurst and Grand Avenues going south of Hoffman Drive (of which there are a lot). 

[NewFlyer 230]

13 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

 

If that's the case, that's even worse and would negatively impact so many more people, since now nobody in that general area can get to Jackson Heights, nor can they access the express trains (and have to rely solely on the  ). Truncating the Q53 at Queens Blvd (if it actually is the proposal) would also do such a disservice for people who get on the bus at Elmhurst and Grand Avenues going south of Hoffman Drive (of which there are a lot). 

Yeah those Q53 buses are packed along Broadway especially during the weekends when the  is going express in one direction. There are so many people to my surprise along Woodhaven Blvd that ride the Q53 along Broadway so if they cut Broadway service then the MTA is more out of touch then ever.
The problem that I have with the Q53 currently is that it is the most frequent route out of the 4 that travel along Woodhaven and it is also the one with the worst reliability. The Q11/Q21 is a joke and an afterthought it is not even funny. I don’t even understand the logic of having them run on half an hour headway on the weekend and the Q21 runs 5 minutes after the Q11. That’s why they aren’t utilized so well. Instead I would have them even timed so a local bus can come ever 15 minutes even though I think it should be more frequent than that given how poorly the Q53 runs. And the Q52 while it does get more love than the Q11/Q21 it just isn’t frequent enough itself to help the Q53 which is why we have the issues we have today with the Woodhaven routes.
So honestly what I would do is eliminate the Q21. Make the Q11 more frequent where people would want to use it. If they want to get rid of the Q53 along Broadway fine. However I would also get rid of the Rockaway portion of the Q52 and have the Q52 end either at 163rd Ave or Rockaway Blvd. The Q52 would instead be the one to serve Broadway and run up to Woodhaven of course with more frequent headway’s. I would however be more in favor of another route running from Beach 54th to Rockaway Blvd, and just having the Q11 and Q53 alone on Woodhaven like old times. That way the MTA would have no choice but to boost Q11 service to compensate for the elimination of the Q21 and Q52 and the Q53 could have short turns that end at Queens Blvd and head back down to Rockaway. 
 

Lol is it safe to say that most of these proposals are pure garbage and would affect more riders negatively than help them. I don’t even want to see the actual proposal map cause I feel like I will be upset at some of the proposals they had the nerve to come up with.