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5 hours ago, Harlem Crosstown said:

QBL needs to be de-interlined and (R)(W) service should go to Astoria. As part of a removal of reverse-branching I would run (E)(K) service express via 53 and (F)(M) local via 63. (M) service would run to the Rockaways and (F) to Northern Queens via Jewel/73rd Ave. As an alternative an (H) service could run to the Rockaways from Jackson Heights, allowing (M) service to Jamaica-179th.

Not the way I would do it.  In my case:

(R) becomes brown and runs the old (RJ) route between 95th Street and in this case Essex with in-service yard run extensions that begin and end at Broadway Junction. 

(N) runs from Coney Island-96th Street/2nd Avenue via Sea Beach.

(Q) runs from Coney Island via Brighton, Broadway Local and the tunnel to Astoria

(W) runs while Whitehall Street-Rockaway Park via Broadway Local and QBL.   Overflow runs begin and end at 9th Avenue on the (D)

(M) becomes a 24/7 local between Metropolitan Avenue and 71st-Continental.  

Only overlaps in this version are the (Q) merging with the (R) and a limited number of (W) trains at DeKalb and the (R) with limited (W) trains at 36th (and in reverse past Whitehall/Broad between the (R) and (Q)  and limited (W) trains).  

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14 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

Not the way I would do it.  In my case:

(R) becomes brown and runs the old (RJ) route between 95th Street and in this case Essex with in-service yard run extensions that begin and end at Broadway Junction. 

(N) runs from Coney Island-96th Street/2nd Avenue via Sea Beach.

(Q) runs from Coney Island via Brighton, Broadway Local and the tunnel to Astoria

(W) runs while Whitehall Street-Rockaway Park via Broadway Local and QBL.   Overflow runs begin and end at 9th Avenue on the (D)

(M) becomes a 24/7 local between Metropolitan Avenue and 71st-Continental.  

Only overlaps in this version are the (Q) merging with the (R) and a limited number of (W) trains at DeKalb and the (R) with limited (W) trains at 36th (and in reverse past Whitehall/Broad between the (R) and (Q)  and limited (W) trains).  

This works, but what would you do about the (W) merge to QBL?

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2 minutes ago, Harlem Crosstown said:

This works, but what would you do about the (W) merge to QBL?

That one is unavoidable.  You want as few merges as possible but you can't avoid every single one. 

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5 minutes ago, Wallyhorse said:

That one is unavoidable.  You want as few merges as possible but you can't avoid every single one. 

How about (E)(K)(F)(M) on QBL, (W) to Astoria, and (N)(Q) to 96th and South Brooklyn? (RJ) can run as in your plan.

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3 minutes ago, Harlem Crosstown said:

How about (E)(K)(F)(M) on QBL, (W) to Astoria, and (N)(Q) to 96th and South Brooklyn? (RJ) can run as in your plan.

No because the (M) does not run in lower Manhattan:

To me, for this to work, the RBB has to be a line that directly serves lower Manhattan for the RBB to get support from certain outlets that are from outside the US and still look at lower Manhattan as (even if we know better) "The Financial District."  Fair or not, to many non-New Yorkers, even if that area is actually now more residential than offices, it's still looked at by many the old way.  

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49 minutes ago, Wallyhorse said:

No because the (M) does not run in lower Manhattan:

To me, for this to work, the RBB has to be a line that directly serves lower Manhattan for the RBB to get support from certain outlets that are from outside the US and still look at lower Manhattan as (even if we know better) "The Financial District."  Fair or not, to many non-New Yorkers, even if that area is actually now more residential than offices, it's still looked at by many the old way.  

From the (M), past West 4th Street, they can transfer to the (E) or (K) as well as the M20 bus on 7th Avenue S. Or the M55 on Broadway. However, the latter two options would suck another fare for those who have already used the transfer prior to getting to West 4th Street.

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50 minutes ago, Wallyhorse said:

No because the (M) does not run in lower Manhattan:

To me, for this to work, the RBB has to be a line that directly serves lower Manhattan for the RBB to get support from certain outlets that are from outside the US and still look at lower Manhattan as (even if we know better) "The Financial District."  Fair or not, to many non-New Yorkers, even if that area is actually now more residential than offices, it's still looked at by many the old way.  

You are such an idiot sometimes...

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2 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

No because the (M) does not run in lower Manhattan:

To me, for this to work, the RBB has to be a line that directly serves lower Manhattan for the RBB to get support from certain outlets that are from outside the US and still look at lower Manhattan as (even if we know better) "The Financial District."  Fair or not, to many non-New Yorkers, even if that area is actually now more residential than offices, it's still looked at by many the old way.  

(K) - Rockaway Park (Howard Beach during off peak hours) -> RBB -> QB Local -> 53rd St Tunnel -> 8th Avenue Local -> World Trade Center 

Problem solved. 
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The RBB isn’t getting support from “certain outlets” outside the U.S. anytime soon, certainly not to the tune of 8.1 billion dollars. And I’m certain said “outlets” know just as much as “we” do where NYC’s center of financial activity is. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be doing business here, now would they? So stop pushing this theory, because it’s 100 percent untrue. I can't believe after all this time and numerous posters telling you you're wrong about it, you're still pushing this completely untrue theory.

I would support a (W) via the RBB and QB local. But not for the reasons you keep pushing. But because I don’t think the (R) should be even longer and even more unreliable than it already is and I don’t think the (M) should be subjected to even more merges than it already has. Not to mention leaving potential RBB riders at stations not also served by the (A) high and dry if the (M) has to be rerouted to Chambers St for whatever reason.  

Edited by T to Dyre Avenue
Clarifying my response
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7 hours ago, subwayfan1998 said:

or (G) Train would be the Best Option for RBB

if not even QBL wants the (G) why would RBB want it?.

 

How about sending the (T) via 63 st/QBL then RBB

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