vioreen Posted December 25, 2019 Share #1 Posted December 25, 2019 There has to be changes on the 4 line. The MTA should restore the rush hour express 4 train in order to alleviate congestion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted December 25, 2019 Share #2 Posted December 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, vioreen said: There has to be changes on the 4 line. The MTA should restore the rush hour express 4 train in order to alleviate congestion. This didn't warrant a separate thread. And no, they shouldn't. Reinstating that peak express crap will have the opposite effect, especially with the ridership at the local stations being as high as it is. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted December 25, 2019 Share #3 Posted December 25, 2019 That was a pilot service and it failed. The only way this would make sense is if you deinterlined 149th, sending the up Dyre and the up Jerome. If that is the case, I would rebuild Bedford Park Boulevard as an express station. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted December 25, 2019 Share #4 Posted December 25, 2019 We already had a thread recently for this Jerome Avenue express crap. The is scheduled to come approximately twelve to fifteen times an hour during the peak. Once the gets to 125th Street, it starts going express from there anyway. Starting express service from that far north in the Bronx will just result in many of the busiest stations being skipped for no reason. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted December 25, 2019 Share #5 Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) If this user is a foamer they can just take one of the s to Burnside that runs express. Edited December 25, 2019 by Union Tpke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted December 25, 2019 Share #6 Posted December 25, 2019 Real talk, the Jerome line should just be destroyed and rebuilt again. I feel like the and up in the Bronx really needs help. The just makes lots of stops and the is so infrequent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted December 25, 2019 Share #7 Posted December 25, 2019 1 minute ago, NY1635 said: Real talk, the Jerome line should just be destroyed and rebuilt again. I feel like the and up in the Bronx really needs help. The just makes lots of stops and the is so infrequent. What did I just read? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted December 25, 2019 Share #8 Posted December 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Jemorie said: We already had a thread recently for this Jerome Avenue express crap. The is scheduled to come approximately twelve to fifteen times an hour during the peak. Once the gets to 125th Street, it starts going express from there anyway. Starting express service from that far north in the Bronx will just result in many of the busiest stations being skipped for no reason. It's not impossible, it just needs to be worked on. You can do a similar setup by adding a switch at Burnside Avenue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted December 25, 2019 Share #9 Posted December 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, Union Tpke said: What did I just read? Word salad... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted December 25, 2019 Share #10 Posted December 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Union Tpke said: What did I just read? Apologies, it's just that I get the sense that OP lives North of Fordham and they're the only group of Bronx residents I know that want a faster commute into Manhattan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted December 25, 2019 Share #11 Posted December 25, 2019 37 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: It's not impossible, it just needs to be worked on. You can do a similar setup by adding a switch at Burnside Avenue. You just won’t give up, huh kid...you said that shit before too... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted December 25, 2019 Share #12 Posted December 25, 2019 42 minutes ago, Jemorie said: You just won’t give up, huh kid...you said that shit before too... I have an opinion, this is a forum... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted December 25, 2019 Share #13 Posted December 25, 2019 5 hours ago, vioreen said: There has to be changes on the 4 line. The MTA should restore the rush hour express 4 train in order to alleviate congestion. I don’t know about all of that, but I have tried it from Mosholu Parkway and it is brutal. It takes forever. I don’t consider it a real option, especially compared to the . For those of us in Riverdale, we don’t have a real East Side subway. The Bx1 takes a while and the is very slow. By comparison, I’d rather put up with the numerous transfers necessary from it to reach the East Side or just take an Uber to Metro-North or the shuttle bus, which is much faster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subway4832 Posted December 25, 2019 Share #14 Posted December 25, 2019 Its been established multiple times that the Express peak express is a horrible idea. They did a pilot years ago and it failed, mainly because you're skipping high ridership stations. The is already terrible as is, this is just adding fuel to the fire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted December 26, 2019 Share #15 Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, subway4832 said: Its been established multiple times that the Express peak express is a horrible idea. They did a pilot years ago and it failed, mainly because you're skipping high ridership stations. The is already terrible as is, this is just adding fuel to the fire. No it isnt. The express carried people, while it wasnt express to the max, it was still used. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vioreen Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share #16 Posted December 26, 2019 If the pilot program for the express line failed, some trains terminate at Burnside Avenue during rush hours and get taken out of service, instead maybe some Manhattan bound trains can originate there trip from Burnside Avenue while, some can originate from Woodlawn. Since stops that are south of Burnside Avenue have a higher ridership than stops north of Burnside Avenue that way it can alleviate train congestion on the line during rush hours. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subway4832 Posted December 26, 2019 Share #17 Posted December 26, 2019 53 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: No it isnt. The express carried people, while it wasnt express to the max, it was still used. Yeah it carried, but wasn't it skipping a bunch of high ridership stops? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subway4832 Posted December 26, 2019 Share #18 Posted December 26, 2019 44 minutes ago, vioreen said: If the pilot program for the express line failed, some trains terminate at Burnside Avenue during rush hours and get taken out of service, instead maybe some Manhattan bound trains can originate there trip from Burnside Avenue while, some can originate from Woodlawn. Since stops that are south of Burnside Avenue have a higher ridership than stops north of Burnside Avenue that way it can alleviate train congestion on the line during rush hours. Idk, the 's that originate at Burnside Ave going Manhattan Bound look really empty when they do those midday G.O's. I don't know if it would be worth running express all the way down to 149. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q23 via 108 Posted December 26, 2019 Share #19 Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) Can a Skip Stop Train work? Just like the . In the Summer, I take the from Fordham Road to 125 to catch the . Normally it takes about 20 minutes to get from Fordham to 125. You could make both trains stop at important stops (Kingsbridge, Fordham, 161) and let the other stops alternate between trains. The could use the or some other unused designation for the skip stop idea. But I'm just throwing this up in the air, I usually take the to go to The Bronx anyway. But hey, its just an idea... Edited December 26, 2019 by Q23 via 108 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted December 26, 2019 Share #20 Posted December 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Q23 via 108 said: Can a Skip Stop Train work? Just like the . In the Summer, I take the from Fordham Road to 125 to catch the . Normally it takes about 20 minutes to get from Fordham to 125. You could make both trains stop at important stops (Kingsbridge, Fordham, 161) and let the other stops alternate between trains. The could use the or some other unused designation for the skip stop idea. But I'm just throwing this up in the air, I usually take the to go to The Bronx anyway. But hey, its just an idea... As it is, the is about as frequent as the was when skip-stop service was discontinued. Moreover, there's been quite a few people -- myself included -- who have talked about/thought of killing skip-stop entirely because of, among other things, the artificially high wait times that come with it. The closest to it I'd remotely push for is having peak service skip 138th Street via the main tracks so additional trains can run north of 149th Street (and to avoid having southbound trains do the nonsense currently done, which is performed at a snail's pace, to boot). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vioreen Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share #21 Posted December 26, 2019 12 hours ago, subway4832 said: Idk, the 's that originate at Burnside Ave going Manhattan Bound look really empty when they do those midday G.O's. I don't know if it would be worth running express all the way down to 149. Not express, but local 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted December 26, 2019 Share #22 Posted December 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Lex said: The closest to it I'd remotely push for is having peak service skip 138th Street via the main tracks so additional trains can run north of 149th Street (and to avoid having southbound trains do the nonsense currently done, which is performed at a snail's pace, to boot). s skipping 138 on the middle is really important for junction fluidity at 149. Having s plugged behind s s l o w l y merging in front from the connector tracks in the AM/diverging s l o w l y and potentially getting plugged by s in the PM wouldn't do anything good for Lex capacity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted December 26, 2019 Share #23 Posted December 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, RR503 said: s skipping 138 on the middle is really important for junction fluidity at 149. Having s plugged behind s s l o w l y merging in front from the connector tracks in the AM/diverging s l o w l y and potentially getting plugged by s in the PM wouldn't do anything good for Lex capacity. Are there any places in the system where adding a middle track for junction fluidity could help? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted December 26, 2019 Share #24 Posted December 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Union Tpke said: Are there any places in the system where adding a middle track for junction fluidity could help? If we could figure out a way to rebuild 135 so that nb trains could hold short of the junction on the spur for a crossing move before proceeding through, that'd be great. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted December 26, 2019 Share #25 Posted December 26, 2019 Just now, RR503 said: If we could figure out a way to rebuild 135 so that nb trains could hold short of the junction on the spur for a crossing move before proceeding through, that'd be great. Could you explain this in more detail? Would trains skip 135th? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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