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1 hour ago, BrooklynBus said:

Everyone I know has been freaking out over the possible removal of the Q53 for a few days, and rightly so. The Q53 easily beats out the Rockaway (S) in ridership and usually time during peak hours and properly serves the area. Keeping the 52, when riders in that area have the (A) and Q22 (soon QT22) and prefer to use that, seems like an arrogant move to those on the west side, and those needing to go to work and schools in it. Reinstating the 53 in the summer is nothing but damage control. 

A lot of people going into the peninsula will clog westward 22's once they reach the Beach 90's, and the problem will get worse for new (S) riders when it has delays, or the bridge goes up. Any way the (MTA) slices it, they'll have a huge opposition with this plan, and I wouldn't be surprised if they scrapped it immediately, hopefully eventually... 

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20 minutes ago, NoHacksJustKhaks said:

Everyone I know has been freaking out over the possible removal of the Q53 for a few days, and rightly so. The Q53 easily beats out the Rockaway (S) in ridership and usually time during peak hours and properly serves the area. Keeping the 52, when riders in that area have the (A) and Q22 (soon QT22) and prefer to use that, seems like an arrogant move to those on the west side, and those needing to go to work and schools in it. Reinstating the 53 in the summer is nothing but damage control. 

A lot of people going into the peninsula will clog westward 22's once they reach the Beach 90's, and the problem will get worse for new (S) riders when it has delays, or the bridge goes up. Any way the (MTA) slices it, they'll have a huge opposition with this plan, and I wouldn't be surprised if they scrapped it immediately, hopefully eventually... 

The plan to end the Q53 will be scrapped and there will be some changes in Jackson Heights because of all the opposition there. They will also probably be forced to return some of the proposed bus stops slated for removal. But in the end they will still remove far too many bus stops than necessary, and will also cancel some of the good parts of the plan that people like, with the excuse that they can’t keep them because of the additions they are putting back because they have arbitrarily decided the plan has to be cost neutral.

Also, I believe some of the cuts to MTA Bus Co routes have been forced upon the MTA by NYCDOT to reduce the subsidy the city has to pay the MTA so the city can use that money to expand ferry service. 

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15 minutes ago, NoHacksJustKhaks said:

Everyone I know has been freaking out over the possible removal of the Q53 for a few days, and rightly so. The Q53 easily beats out the Rockaway (S) in ridership and usually time during peak hours and properly serves the area. Keeping the 52, when riders in that area have the (A) and Q22 (soon QT22) and prefer to use that, seems like an arrogant move to those on the west side, and those needing to go to work and schools in it. Reinstating the 53 in the summer is nothing but damage control. 

A lot of people going into the peninsula will clog westward 22's once they reach the Beach 90's, and the problem will get worse for new (S) riders when it has delays, or the bridge goes up. Any way the (MTA) slices it, they'll have a huge opposition with this plan, and I wouldn't be surprised if they scrapped it immediately, hopefully eventually... 

I think they're still relentlessly trying to cater to Arverne, specifically...

Although neither has exactly flourished per se, I can understand creating a new route to cater to those in Spring Creek [B84]; at least there's the mall out there, on top of the (relatively) newly formed residences out there.... I can even understand catering to the hipster crowd up in the revitalized portion of Williamsburg [B32]; i.e - the so-called waterfront community.... Both have people coming from all over to patronize the establishments/businesses within those respective communities.....

OTOH, who in the f*** is heading to Arverne from mainland Queens, or anywhere else in this city, that aren't Arverne residents or have family/friends that live there? Maybe I'm missing something; what is the main draw of that community exactly? I mean, I like the color scheme of the houses, the atmosphere's calming to a certain extent, but AFAIC, that's about it.....

To retain the Q53 & do away with the Q52 would be an indirect concession that the creation of the thing was unjustified.....

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Never thought I'd see the Q53 get killed off to promote the Q52.

Nobody's going to Arverne Proper, they just want to get to Far Rockaway for a connection to the other routes. Far Rockaway has the Hospital, LIRR Station, and the n31.32 and n33 over at Seagirt Blvd and Mott Av.

It seems like Byford know what he's doing, but is making the Governor and Mayor look bad. To his defense, Cuomo and Deblasio are shooting themselves in the foot.

Those Far Rock residents love the n31/32. They hate the Q22 because it leaves them stuck waiting at Mott/B.21 for hours.

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Wasn't the Q52SBS suppose to be extended to Far Rockaway when it became SBS? 

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6 hours ago, NY1635 said:

Nobody's going to Arverne Proper, they just want to get to Far Rockaway for a connection to the other routes. Far Rockaway has the Hospital, LIRR Station, and the n31.32 and n33 over at Seagirt Blvd and Mott Av.

That's exactly my point.... They don't want Arverne, those people want places east of it - Which is why you have those residing well east of Arverne willingly riding Q22's out to catch the Q53 (since it's more frequent than the Q52.... well that, and for any added/direct coverage along Broadway they may benefit from)....

MTA's hedging their bets by ridding themselves of the Q53 & not extending the Q52 further out to where it would be more useful (esp. considering how much of the (A) & the Q22 it would generally parallel, on top of the fact that an extended Q52 to Far Rockaway within the Rockaways would eat up more mileage than the Q53).....

5 hours ago, N6 Limited said:

If a (A) and Q53 left Rockaway Park at the same time, which would get to Rockaway Blvd First?

I'd say the (A) would.... It would have a greater headstart leaving the Rockaways....  Even though the (A) takes like forever between N. Conduit & Rockaway Blvd, the Q52 has too much passenger activity along Cross Bay blvd. to catch up....

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15 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

I'd say the (A) would.... It would have a greater headstart leaving the Rockaways....  Even though the (A) takes like forever between N. Conduit & Rockaway Blvd, the Q52 has too much passenger activity along Cross Bay blvd. to catch up....

I wonder if they'll improve (A) service to Rockaway Park to make up for the switch.

 

Did breezy point ever have bus service?

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9 minutes ago, N6 Limited said:

I wonder if they'll improve (A) service to Rockaway Park to make up for the switch.

Fat chance of that. We can't even get a full-time (C) to Lefferts...

14 minutes ago, N6 Limited said:

Did breezy point ever have bus service?

If it did (from Green Bus Lines), it would hardly matter at this point. Breezy Point is quite insular, mostly requiring going elsewhere for work/school or to get whatever's not available there.

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7 minutes ago, Lex said:

If it did (from Green Bus Lines), it would hardly matter at this point. Breezy Point is quite insular, mostly requiring going elsewhere for work/school or to get whatever's not available there.

Breezy Point is a private community, so the bus service that they wanted they have in the QM16 over in Riis Park.

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1 hour ago, N6 Limited said:

I wonder if they'll improve (A) service to Rockaway Park to make up for the switch.

 

Did breezy point ever have bus service?

At one point it did have (public) bus service. However, that was in the form of Q22 school trippers. 

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There was also a brief period a few years ago where the QM16 was extended to that side of the bridge plaza.

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http://www.mta.info/press-release/nyc-transit/mta-adds-more-outreach-opportunities-public-input-draft-plan-reimagine

 

Additional outreach sessions have been added. Here's the list of them (starting tomorrow):

Monday, Jan. 13, 4-7 p.m.
Sutphin Blvd-Archer Av (E)(J)(Z) 

 

Tuesday, Jan. 14, 6-9 a.m.
Rockaway Blvd (A) 

 

Wednesday, Jan. 15, 6-9 a.m.
Court Sq-23 St (E)(M) 

 

Wednesday, Jan. 15, 7-8:30 p.m.
Southridge Building I, rumpus room
33-04 93rd Street, Jackson Heights

 

Thursday, Jan. 16, 4-7 p.m.
Beach 54 St (A) 

 

Tuesday, Jan. 21, 6-8 p.m.
Greater Ridgewood Youth Council
59-03 Summerfield Street, Ridgewood

 

Wednesday, Jan. 22, 6-8 p.m.
Queens Flushing Library
41-17 Main Street, Flushing

 

Thursday, Jan. 23, 6:30-8:30 p.m.
SUNY Queens Educational Opportunity Center
158-29 Archer Avenue, Jamaica

 

Tuesday, Jan. 28, 6-8 p.m. 
Queens Borough Hall
120-55 Queens Boulevard, Kew Gardens

 

Wednesday, Jan. 29, 6-8 p.m. 
J.H.S. 202 Robert H. Goddard
138-30 Lafayette Street, Ozone Park

 

Thursday, Jan. 30, 6-8 p.m.
Langston Hughes Library and Cultural Center
100-01 Northern Boulevard, Corona

 

Tuesday, Feb. 4, 6-8 p.m.
Jacob Riis Settlement
10-25 41st Avenue, Long Island City

 

Wednesday, Feb. 5, 6:30-8:30 p.m.
RISE/Rockaway Waterfront Alliance
58-03 Rockaway Beach Boulevard, Far Rockaway

 

Thursday, Feb. 6, 7-8:30 p.m.
Rockaway YMCA
207 Beach 73rd Street, Arverne

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2 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

http://www.mta.info/press-release/nyc-transit/mta-adds-more-outreach-opportunities-public-input-draft-plan-reimagine

 

Additional outreach sessions have been added. Here's the list of them (starting tomorrow):

 

The new sessions are in the Rockaways and Jackson Heights, where there have been a lot of opposition.

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On 1/7/2020 at 1:44 PM, BrooklynBus said:

 

There are other ways to be more efficient without doing it on the backs of bus riders.

Example through more efficient scheduling. Why do buses operate halfway across the borough not in service? 

Why after 15 years have they not been able to merge NYCT and MTA BusCo depots. Think of all the wasted money by just by having the B100 operating out of Spring Creek Depot for 15 years as opposed to Flatbush Depot that it runs right past. 

Why has interior bus advertisement space been empty for the past 40 years? It's because the terms and conditions are not conducive to local businesses. The MTA claims no one wants to advertise on the inside of buses. Maybe that's true for the chains. But if the price was right, local businesses would advertise. Look at all the extra money they would have over 40 years if each ad space had been filled at a cost of $10 per month? Assuming 50 spaces per bus, that's $500 per bus per month x 4,000 buses is $2,000,000 per month x 12 months is $24 million per year x 40 years is  $960 million. 

There is something wrong with the current terms. Either the terms are too long, you have to advertise on too many buses where you have no potential customers or the cost is too much. If you could only advertise on buses in one depot, for a reasonable term at a reasonable charge, you would get customers. Hasn't the MTA heard of supply and demand? The problem is they just contracted out the advertising and probably haven't reviewed the terms of the contract in years and left everything to the vendor to decide. Anything they would charge is better than no revenue at all. 

 

Pardon my sarcasm but "what is revenue?" I thought all of the agency's money comes from the taxpayers of the city and the state when the two  governmental entities voted on a budget each year..

By the same token "why should we advertise?" I thought we have a captive audience and we do not need to advertise our services to them.

With the bunch that is running (ruining) the system even if there was an advertising department, the penny pinching gang would find a way to get rid of it  the moment one of the political candidates runs against one of their patrons and of course,, the department would disappear in a New York minute..

Yes! I too remember the ads on the inside of buses and it bought in revenue for the agency but was a time when ideas went up the chain of command and were discussed and implemented. Today, if the idea does not come from the mountain top, it will never see the light of day and how many employees would take a chance at upsetting someone who will find a way to abolish their item without batting an eyelash. For the record, someone tried to do it to me and they were unsuccessful. Many of us that are part of that generation were not afraid to stick our neck out for something that were believed in to be right and did suffer the consequences for it. 

It is a different world out there as compared when we started in the 1970's and my heart goes out to those who are first coming into goverment today. 

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On 1/9/2020 at 7:58 PM, BrooklynBus said:

The plan to end the Q53 will be scrapped and there will be some changes in Jackson Heights because of all the opposition there. They will also probably be forced to return some of the proposed bus stops slated for removal. But in the end they will still remove far too many bus stops than necessary, and will also cancel some of the good parts of the plan that people like, with the excuse that they can’t keep them because of the additions they are putting back because they have arbitrarily decided the plan has to be cost neutral.

Also, I believe some of the cuts to MTA Bus Co routes have been forced upon the MTA by NYCDOT to reduce the subsidy the city has to pay the MTA so the city can use that money to expand ferry service. 

I would not be surprised that the Mayor is behind the cuts as he is more interested in ferry service that serves the communities that voted for him. I know the mayor is not running for re-election but his goal now is to maximize the damage done to the city before he gets a job with one of those think tanks that come up with many of these "ideas". As far as NYCDOT is concerned, it is more important to put up useless bike lanes in communities that do not want them or need them (May I ask who uses them on Avenues W and X in Sheepshead  Bay?)

What I am afraid of is this year's and next year's gloom and doom budgets that have started toappear on the state and city 's  horizon. I think that we are seeing here is the opening shot with the proposed cuts in Queens.

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1 hour ago, Interested Rider said:

Pardon my sarcasm but "what is revenue?" I thought all of the agency's money comes from the taxpayers of the city and the state when the two  governmental entities voted on a budget each year..

By the same token "why should we advertise?" I thought we have a captive audience and we do not need to advertise our services to them.

With the bunch that is running (ruining) the system even if there was an advertising department, the penny pinching gang would find a way to get rid of it  the moment one of the political candidates runs against one of their patrons and of course,, the department would disappear in a New York minute..

Yes! I too remember the ads on the inside of buses and it bought in revenue for the agency but was a time when ideas went up the chain of command and were discussed and implemented. Today, if the idea does not come from the mountain top, it will never see the light of day and how many employees would take a chance at upsetting someone who will find a way to abolish their item without batting an eyelash. For the record, someone tried to do it to me and they were unsuccessful. Many of us that are part of that generation were not afraid to stick our neck out for something that were believed in to be right and did suffer the consequences for it. 

It is a different world out there as compared when we started in the 1970's and my heart goes out to those who are first coming into goverment today. 

I think you might have misunderstood what I was saying. I was not saying the MTA should advertise its services. I was saying they should get advertisers to advertise inside the buses. I don’t know if there ever was an advertising department. I always remember it being contracted out. 

I don’t know where you got the idea that all ideas originate from the top. The MTA had a very successful Suggestion Department whereby suggestions were evaluated anonymously, and employees who saved the MTA money received cash awards which sometimes were substantial like up to $30,000. 

Employees in the department where I worked complained to my boss that it took too long for suggestions to be evaluated and sometimes worthwhile ones were rejected, so he started his own suggestion program and I was the head of it. Suggestions were evaluated by a committee of five. We could only give $100 rewards, but still received many suggestions. When I retired, the program ended because no one wanted to continue it. I understand that the NYCT Program also ended which made no sense because it was a good program but never received the prominence it deserved. It should have been headed by a Vice President. Instead the person in charge was not even a manager and had no power to see suggestions were fairly evaluated. There was an appeals procedure to the Executive Vice President, but nothing was really re-evaluated, and appealed suggestions got a rubber stamp rejection.

What I learned from this was how easy it was for the MTA to save money. Changing one simple procedure how something was done had the potential of saving $100,000 annually. It made sense to give the employee a $10,000 reward to encourage other worthwhile suggestions. Just think how many procedures could be improved. The amount of money potentially saved is limitless. 

So without the program, maybe you are correct that now all suggestions have to come from the top. Without the Suggestion Program, when someone had a good idea, the bosses usually stole it anyway claiming it was their own and getting credit for it, leaving a bunch of disgruntled employees. 

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3 hours ago, BrooklynBus said:

I think you might have misunderstood what I was saying. I was not saying the MTA should advertise its services. I was saying they should get advertisers to advertise inside the buses. I don’t know if there ever was an advertising department. I always remember it being contracted out. 

I don’t know where you got the idea that all ideas originate from the top. The MTA had a very successful Suggestion Department whereby suggestions were evaluated anonymously, and employees who saved the MTA money received cash awards which sometimes were substantial like up to $30,000. 

Employees in the department where I worked complained to my boss that it took too long for suggestions to be evaluated and sometimes worthwhile ones were rejected, so he started his own suggestion program and I was the head of it. Suggestions were evaluated by a committee of five. We could only give $100 rewards, but still received many suggestions. When I retired, the program ended because no one wanted to continue it. I understand that the NYCT Program also ended which made no sense because it was a good program but never received the prominence it deserved. It should have been headed by a Vice President. Instead the person in charge was not even a manager and had no power to see suggestions were fairly evaluated. There was an appeals procedure to the Executive Vice President, but nothing was really re-evaluated, and appealed suggestions got a rubber stamp rejection.

What I learned from this was how easy it was for the MTA to save money. Changing one simple procedure how something was done had the potential of saving $100,000 annually. It made sense to give the employee a $10,000 reward to encourage other worthwhile suggestions. Just think how many procedures could be improved. The amount of money potentially saved is limitless. 

So without the program, maybe you are correct that now all suggestions have to come from the top. Without the Suggestion Program, when someone had a good idea, the bosses usually stole it anyway claiming it was their own and getting credit for it, leaving a bunch of disgruntled employees. 

Sounds like Byford needs to be informed about this, he'd probably bring it back.

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7 hours ago, Interested Rider said:

....As far as NYCDOT is concerned, it is more important to put up useless bike lanes in communities that do not want them or need them (May I ask who uses them on Avenues W and X in Sheepshead Bay?)

I still can't get over the ones along Bedford av. in Midwood & the ones along 73rd av in Fresh Meadows.... Quite sure there's plenty of other rather unjustified examples of the sort....

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9 hours ago, BrooklynBus said:

I think you might have misunderstood what I was saying. I was not saying the MTA should advertise its services. I was saying they should get advertisers to advertise inside the buses. I don’t know if there ever was an advertising department. I always remember it being contracted out. 

I don’t know where you got the idea that all ideas originate from the top. The MTA had a very successful Suggestion Department whereby suggestions were evaluated anonymously, and employees who saved the MTA money received cash awards which sometimes were substantial like up to $30,000. 

Employees in the department where I worked complained to my boss that it took too long for suggestions to be evaluated and sometimes worthwhile ones were rejected, so he started his own suggestion program and I was the head of it. Suggestions were evaluated by a committee of five. We could only give $100 rewards, but still received many suggestions. When I retired, the program ended because no one wanted to continue it. I understand that the NYCT Program also ended which made no sense because it was a good program but never received the prominence it deserved. It should have been headed by a Vice President. Instead the person in charge was not even a manager and had no power to see suggestions were fairly evaluated. There was an appeals procedure to the Executive Vice President, but nothing was really re-evaluated, and appealed suggestions got a rubber stamp rejection.

What I learned from this was how easy it was for the MTA to save money. Changing one simple procedure how something was done had the potential of saving $100,000 annually. It made sense to give the employee a $10,000 reward to encourage other worthwhile suggestions. Just think how many procedures could be improved. The amount of money potentially saved is limitless. 

So without the program, maybe you are correct that now all suggestions have to come from the top. Without the Suggestion Program, when someone had a good idea, the bosses usually stole it anyway claiming it was their own and getting credit for it, leaving a bunch of disgruntled employees. 

It is quite possible that I may have misinterpreted your previous statements based on the fact that we worked in two different agencies where suggestions had different ways of being evaluated. It is great to hear that the MTA had a unit that read the suggestions and evaluated them to see if it would work.  I had the opposite problem and it was the reason that employees were reluctant to submit anything that would imporve services. I found this to be true when it comes to those agencies that are under the direct control of either the governor or the mayor.  Unless the program is strongly supported by management in the way you describe and not just with posters as it was where I worked, it will not be effective.

The vast maority of agencies in government are run by people that have loyalty to the executive that appointed them. During my time working in government, I noticed a marked shift in management thinking and style when it came to employee suggestions. When I started in 1979, it was "don't send me problems, send me solutions" to one where it became don't bother wiith suggestions as we know everything. Unfortunately, it is my opinion that this has become the standard today in government

 

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1 hour ago, Interested Rider said:

It is quite possible that I may have misinterpreted your previous statements based on the fact that we worked in two different agencies where suggestions had different ways of being evaluated. It is great to hear that the MTA had a unit that read the suggestions and evaluated them to see if it would work.  I had the opposite problem and it was the reason that employees were reluctant to submit anything that would imporve services. I found this to be true when it comes to those agencies that are under the direct control of either the governor or the mayor.  Unless the program is strongly supported by management in the way you describe and not just with posters as it was where I worked, it will not be effective.

The vast maority of agencies in government are run by people that have loyalty to the executive that appointed them. During my time working in government, I noticed a marked shift in management thinking and style when it came to employee suggestions. When I started in 1979, it was "don't send me problems, send me solutions" to one where it became don't bother wiith suggestions as we know everything. Unfortunately, it is my opinion that this has become the standard today in government

 

It's funny you said that. When I started with the MTA IN 1981, those were among the first words my boss said to me, "Don't come to me with problems, come with solutions." 

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After working OT on Christmas and New Years, and battling the flu, I'm gonna put in my input on these proposed routes. Bronx bus revamp of 1984, the Queens redesign would like for you to hold his beer.

QT1- Astoria-Downtown Brooklyn. Combination of the Q69 and the B62. The Q69 without the Queens Plaza portion. Maybe some short turns at Williamsburg? Runs 24/7. Possible depots: LGA or GA

QT2- Steinway-Williamsburg. Combo of the Q101 and the B24. Proposed for LTD service. Doesn't serve Queens Plaza. Operates 24/7. Possible depots: LGA or GA

QT3- Jamaica-Williamsburg. The Q54 with no service east of Jamaica Center. Operates 24/7. Possible depot: FP. Maybe it keeps it short turns at Fresh Pond Rd

QT4- Jackson Hts-Downtown Brooklyn. The B57 extended further east into Queens. What will replace the Downtown-Red Hook portion? Operates 24/7. Possible depots: LGA or GA

QT5- Jamaica-Brookdale Hospital. I wonder who actually did this trip? Combination of the B15 and the Q8. Maybe keep the Euclid short turns? No service east of Sutphin. 24/7 service M-F. Possible depots: JFK or ENY

QT6- Flushing-Ridgewood. The Q58 without the Corona Av portion. Seems like it loses LTD service. It actually stops at Flushing (7) ! Operates 24/7. Possible depots: FP

QT7- Cambria Hts-Spring Creek. Basically an extended Q89 (could have done this without a redesign). Operates 24/7. One of many routes to link SE Queens with SW Queens. Possible depots: JA, BP, JFK or SC.

QT10-Rego Park-LGA Marine Terminal. Combo of the Q23 and 29. 24/7 service. Possible depot: LGA

QT11- East Elmhurst-Fresh Meadows via Kew Gardens. Combo of the Q23 and the Q46. 24/7 service. Possible depots: LGA or CP

QT12- Elmhurst-Queensboro CC. I would just call it a rerouted Q88. 24/7 service. Overnights, I would end it at Springfield and Horace Harding. Possible depots: JA or QV.

QT13- Jamaica-Far Rockaway. A rerouted Q113 south of Mott Av. 24/7 service. Possible depot: BP

QT14- Electchester-JFK Airport via Kew Gardens. Combo of the Q10 and 64. What happens to LTD service on Lefferts? Maybe add some short turns at Forest Hills and Kew Gardens. 24/7 service. Possible depots: BP or JFK.

QT15- College Point-Queensboro CC via Flushing. A combination of the short turned Q65 and the short turned Q27. Possible short turns at Flushing. Operates 24/7. Possible depots: CP, CS or QV

QT16- Jamaica-Whitestone. I would call it the Q34 with expanded service. Possible short trips to Flushing. Operates 24/7. Possible depots: CP or CS

QT17- Flushing-Little Neck. A rerouted Q12. I wonder whats on Marathon for it to go down there instead of LNP? Operates 24/7. Possible depot: CS

QT18- Springfield Gardens-Oakland Gardens via Jamaica. Combinations of the Q5 and 43. Operates 24/7. Possible depots: JA or QV

QT19- Jamaica-Springfield Gardens. Basically the Q111 short turn to Farmers getting its own designation. Operates 24/7. Possible depot: BP

QT20- Jamaica-JFK Airport (another route that could have been done without a redesign) A rerouted Q6 with no service east of Parsons. The post office gets the shaft, oh well. Operates 24/7. Possible depot: JFK

QT22- Rockaway Park-Cedarhurst. No Q22 west of Rockaway Park, but extended east to Cedarhurst/Inwood via the Q114. Possible depot: FR

QT24- Jamaica-Bushwick. The Q24 with no service east of Jamaica LIRR. Loses overnight service. Possible depot: ENY

QT30- Flushing-Fresh Meadows. I would call it an extended Q26 with off peak and weekend service restored. LTD stops west of Utopia/46. Possible depot: CS

QT31- Flushing-Queens Village. Basically a short turned Q27. LTD stops west of Utopia/46. Possible depots: CS or QV

QT32- Kew Gardens-Lake Success. The Q46 with LTD stops west of 188. Operates 24/7. Possible depot: QV

QT33- Jamaica-Queensboro CC. Basically the Q75 coming back from the dead. Another route that could have been made without a redesign. Possible depots: JA or QV

QT34- Jamaica-Manhasset. I kinda wanna say a rerouted N26. May give NICE a reason to get rid of it after proposing to run it off peak. LTD stops west of 229. Operates 24/7. Possible depots: JA or QV

QT35- Rockaway Park-Brooklyn College. It's the Q35 staying intact with an extension to Beach 108. LTD stops north of Kings Plaza. Operates 24/7. Possible depots: FR or FLA

QT36- Jamaica-Lake Success. I would call it the Q43 extended eastward, but shortened westward (No service west of Merrick). LTD stops west of Springfield. This may beat out that N22 to N25 xfer. Possible depot: QV

QT37- Kew Gardens-South Ozone Park. The Q37 without diversion to the Casino. Possible depot: JFK

QT38- Jamaica-Belmont Park. Basically the Q2 with owl service discontinued. LTD stops west of 187. Possible depot; QV

QT39- Jamaica-Cambria Hts. I would call it a rerouted Q83 bringing back vestiges of the old Q3A. LTD stops on Hillside. Possible depots: JA or QV

QT40- Jamaica-Elmont. Basically an extended Q4. No stops on Merrick Blvd. Possible depot: JA

QT41- Jamaica-Cambria Hts. A shortened Q84 ending at Springfield. LTD stops on Merrick. Possible depot: JA

QT42- Jamaica-Green Acres. The Q5 staying intact. LTD stops west of Merrick. Possible depot: JA

QT43- Jamaica-Rosedale. The Q85 going down Brewer instead of Merrick. I kind of see it going to Green Acres though. LTD stops on Brewer. possible depots: JA or BP

QT44- Jamaica-Fordham. The Q44 SBS extended north, but cut back to Jamaica Center. Operates 24/7. Possible depots: CS or WF

QT45- Jamaica-Rosedale. The Q111 with no service north of Jamaica Center. LTD stops on Brewer. Operates 24/7. Possible depot: BP

QT46- Jamaica-South Ozone Park- An extended Q40. LTD stops on Sutphin. Possible depot: JFK

QT47- Jamaica-South Ozone Park. An extended Q9 on both ends. LTD stops on Sutphin. Possible depot: JFK

QT48- Flushing-Ft Totten. The Q16 via Willets Pt branch. Rush hours only. LTD stops on Union. Possible depot: CS

QT49- Flushing-Ft Totten. Q16/28 combo. Rush hours only. LTD stops on Northern. Possible depot: CS

QT50- LGA Marine Term-Pelham Bay Park. The Q50 with no service north of Pelham Bay (6) but extended westward to LGA. Possible depots: ECH, CS or GH

QT51- Flushing-Bay Terrace. A shortened Q13. Rush hours only. LTD stops on Northern. Possible depot: CS

QT52- Elmhurst-Arverne. Still trying to wonder why we're getting rid of the Q53 SBS. Bringing in a summer variant isn't gonna make it any better. Operates 24/7. Possible depot: FR

QT54- Jamaica-Williamsburg. Metropolitan needs 2 routes why? Same as the QT3 except no overnight service. Possible depot: FP

QT55- Jamaica-Ridgewood. An extended Q55. One of the few I actually like. 24/7 service. Possible depot: FP

QT56- Jamaica-Broadway Junction. The Q56 stays in tact. 24/7 service. Possible depot: ENY

QT58- Flushing-Ridgewood. A rerouted Q58 with the Corona Av routing. Possible depot: CS or FP

QT59- Rego Park-Williamsburg. The Q59 without overnight service. Possible depot: GA

QT60- Jamaica-Hunters Point. The Q60 with no service to Manhattan and no service south of Archer Av. 24/7 service. Possible depots: JFK or LGA

QT61- East Elmhurst-Columbus Circle. An extended Q47. Possible depots: LGA or MJQ

QT62- Cedarhurst-Cypress Hills. An extended Q7. A through Rockaway Blvd route. 24/7 service. Possible depots: JFK or ENY

QT63- Ravenswood-Rego Park. An extended Q104. A through Broadway route. Possible depot: LGA

QT64- Jamaica-College Point. I would say its the Q30/31, 76 and 20 all having that one bad night in Vegas. At least there's a through Utopia route. 24/7 service. Possible depots: CS or CP

QT65- Jamaica-Beechhurst. A modified Q65 extended over the Q42. Possible depot: CP or JA

QT66- Flushing-Woodside. The Q66 with no service west of Woodside, just like the old days. 24/7 service. Possible depots: CP or LGA

QT67- Ozone Park-Floral Park. The Q36/110/112 mash up. At least they didn't combine the Q83 with the Q112. Or combine the Q56 with the Q36/110.  24/7 service. Possible depots: BP, JFK or QV

QT68- Jamaica Hospital-JFK Airport. An extended Q3, although I wouldn't end at Jamaica Hospital though. Maybe Sutphin/Hillside. 24/7 service. Possible depot: JA

QT69- Hunters Point-Jackson Hts. An extended Q69. What's the deal down in Hunters Point now? Possible depot: LGA

QT70- Woodside-LaGuardia. The Q70 stays in tact. Possible depot: LGA 24/7 service

QT71- Bay Terrace-Springfield Gardens. My "favorite" route lol. No subway connections. Maybe a short turn at Queensboro CC. 24/7 service. Possible depots: CS, QV, JA or JFK

QT72- Rego Park-East Elmhurst. Basically the Q72 during the Triboro days. Possible depot: LGA

QT73- Flushing-Laurelton. Basically the Q12/13, 76, 77 and 84.  24/7 service. Possible depots: CS, QV or JA

QT74-Elmhurst-Jackson Hts. A modified Q49. Possible depot: LGA

QT75- Woodside-Midtown. Parts of the Q32, 39 and 104. Possible depots: CS or LGA

QT76- Astoria-Williamsburg. Combo of the Q101 and the B62. Possible depots: LGA or GA

QT77- Long Island City-Elmhurst- Combo of the Q38, 39 and 67. At least the Q38 gets broken up. Possible depot: LGA

QT78- Middle Village-Roosevelt Island. Combo of the Q102, 66, 18 and 67. 24/7 service. Possible depot: LGA

QT79- Hunters Point-Rikers Island. Q100/102 combo. Gives 31 St a through route. 24/7 service. Possible depot: LGA

QT80- Astoria-Ridgewood. Q18/39 combo. Possible depot: LGA

QT81- Astoria-Whitestone via Flushing. Combines elements of the Q14, 15 and 19. Possible depot: LGA or CP

QT82- East Elmhurst-Glendale. Combines the Q23 and 29. Possible depot: LGA

QT83- Elmhurst-Howard Beach. Basically the Q21 without the Lindenwood portion. Possible depot: JFK

QT84- Flushing-Bayside via Whitetone. A Q20/25/76 combo. Possible depots: CS or CP

QT85- Flushing-Ft Totten. Q16/28 combo. 24/7 service. Possible depot: CS

QT86- Mitchell Gardens/Linden Hill-Glendale. A little homage to the Q74. Possible depot: CS

QT87- Forest Hills-Little Neck. Combines the Q23, 64, 75/88 and 30. Possible depots: LGA, QV or CS

QT88- Howard Beach-Hamilton Beach via Ozone Park. The Q11/21 combo. The shorter version. Possible depot: JFK

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I just took notice of the QT 86 and 87 (the former picking up the 54's swing by Atlas Mall, allowing the 54 to go straight again, and the latter basically replacing the Q23), and they still end short of Myrtle Ave. They should go the few blocks to Myrtle, improving access from to the Forest Hills area. These routes stopping just short of major avenues with connection are a holdover from the old network that need to be fixed, and  don;t know why these two were missed.

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OK, after viewing light buses during the evening rush rolling through Jamaica while playing follow the leader, I can see from an efficiency perspective why this Queens redesign has to be done, it's really a waste to have all this redundant service when there are like 3-5 seats being occupied.

Also, the buses themselves add to the congestion, I saw like 5 buses in a row at one point on Jamaica Ave, different routes, light.  It makes since for them to cut down on mileage, etc. What they're doing with downtown Jamaica and Flushing (de-cluttering) makes sense. I can't speak for western Queens, I don't use the bus over there.

 

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1 hour ago, N6 Limited said:

OK, after viewing light buses during the evening rush rolling through Jamaica while playing follow the leader, I can see from an efficiency perspective why this Queens redesign has to be done, it's really a waste to have all this redundant service when there are like 3-5 seats being occupied.

Also, the buses themselves add to the congestion, I saw like 5 buses in a row at one point on Jamaica Ave, different routes, light.  It makes since for them to cut down on mileage, etc. What they're doing with downtown Jamaica and Flushing (de-cluttering) makes sense. I can't speak for western Queens, I don't use the bus over there.

This is more of a reason to have 14th St style busways in Flushing and Jamaica rather than to de-clutter, whatever that means. 

This will mostly add travel times for people trying to connect from buses from one end of Jamaica (north and east) and the other (south and west), and also remove countless passengers' connections to the (E) and (J) and AirTrain (coming from the north and east) and the  (F) (coming from the west).

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