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NYC Subway retired/scrapped cars thread

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hello everyone. this a thread to showcase stored, retired or even some scrapped subway cars (similar to the scrapped equipment thread on the bus side of the forums). i decided to make this a thread because quite a handful of cars have been getting retired as of late so here is a page to showcase the full listing of retired/mothballed cars (as of my knowledge).

this thread will be divided into two sections, one where it lists the cars still on property but are currently OOS, retired and awaiting possible scrap. the other section will include already-scrapped cars post-2010. 

this does not include any cars preserved by the NYTM. i will also only be including retired/scrapped cars after 2010 to avoid making this a more lengthy thread than it already is, not including a few exceptions. feel free to add any additional retired cars to the listing as the number of retired cars will increase over time. 

bolded cars indicate converted to work service. 

Mothballed/Stripped Cars awaiting scrap/deposition

A Division:

R17: 6895 (Conc), 6813, 6850

R21: 7267 (Conc), 7243, 7211, 7289, 7278, 7296, 7210, 7055

R22: 7486 (207), 7303, 7340, 7657, 7446, 7505, 7659, 7691

R36WF: 9582-83 (were apart of the rail adhesion train but were retired since 2013) 

CWR Work Cars (R123):

DCR06-07 (ex-R17s 6813, 6850), CCR02 (ex-R21 7243), CCR04-08 (ex-R21s 7211, 7289, 7278, 7296, 7210), CCR01 (ex-R22 7303), CCR03 (ex-R22 7340), DCR01 (ex-R21 7055), DCR02-05 (ex-R22s 7657, 7446, 7505, 7659), DCR08 (ex-R22 7691) 

(the CWR R123 work cars are stored at coney island yard but are currently OOS and likely retired as of my knowledge. they have not been moved or used since 2017-18.) 

R110A: 8001, 8005, 8006, 8010 (all at 207)

B Division

R30: 8481, 8522 (stored at 207) 

**R32: 3354-55, 3384-85, 3404-07, 3416-17, 3424-29, 3436-37, 3440-41, 3448-3467, 3452-55, 3472-73, 3484-85, 3496-97, 3518-19, 3522-23, 3578-79, 3586-87, 3590-91, 3610-11, 3618-19, 3624-25, 3660-61, 3682-83, 3688-89, 3698-99, 3728-34, 3770-71, 3774-75, 3806-07, 3822-23, 3870-73, 3876-79, 3888-89, 3896-97, 3900-01 

3786-87 is also on property (stored at CI) but has since been stripped.

**all of these mentioned R32s have been taken OOS as of February 2020. most of them are still intact as i saw 3610-11, 3484-85, 3770-71, and 3518-19 sitting in Pitkin as such. however some cars like 3878-79 have since been stripped.

3383-3890, 3419-3740, 3471-3658, 3548-3593, 3650-3767 

*R42: 4792-93, 4804-05, 4808-09, 4810-11, 4814-15, 4822-23, 4828-29, 4832-33, 4836-37 (ENY) 

           4800-01, 4812-13, 4820-21, 4834-35 (Fresh Pond) 

           4790–91, 4796–97, 4806–07, 4826-27, and 4830–31 (farewell consist, previously stored at 207) in addition to 4788-89, 4794-95, 4802-03, 4838-39 (all at Pitkin)

           4798-99, 4816-17, 4824-25 (CI) 

*some R42s could be saved for the museum/work service but the majority of the remainder will most likely be up for scrap. last consist in service was 4790-91, 4796-97, 4806-07, 4826-27, and 4830-31 as mentioned earlier. 

R44: 5286-89, SIR 389 & 466 

R110B: 3002-03, 3007-09 (all at 207)

Scrapped Cars (post-2010, a few exceptions) 

A Division:

R33: 8812–8813, 8834–8835, 8996–8997, 9000–9001 (were work cars based out of 36 St Yard but scrapped in 2013, replaced by non-revenue R32s), 8889 (retired 2011, scrapped 2013) 

R33WF: 9312-14, 9317-18, 9320, 9328, 9338-39 (were work cars, scrapped in 2013) 

R62: 1435, 1437, 1439, 1440, 1369 (involved in Union Square derailment, scrapped 2001), 1436, 1367, 1368 (reefed 2008) 

R62A: 1909 (scrapped 2001) 

B Division: 

R27: 8145 (was the last surviving R27, scrapped in 2013) 

R30: 8424-25, 8463 (former school cars out of CI and Pitkin yards, scrapped in 2013) 

**R32: 3370-71, 3630-31, 3676-77, 3720-21, 3746-47, 3796-97, 3836-37 (were OOS in 2009, scrapped in 2013) 

R40: 4162-63 (school car at ENY, scrapped 2013) 

R40M: 4392-93, 4442-43 (were school cars at rock park and concourse respectively, scrapped in 2013) 

*R42: 4550-51, 4616-17, 4620-21, 4674-75, 4704-05, 4738-39, 4784-85 (were OOS in 2009, scrapped in 2013) 

R44: all cars except for 5240, and 5286-89

*eventually all of the remaining R42s which are retired will be trucked to sims metal in newark to be scrapped

**the retired and currently active R32s in 2020 will eventually be trucked to sims metal and scrapped 

Thats all. it took me a while to type up this thread, but i wanted to provide you all with convenient information on which cars have been retired so that everything can be complied into one database/thread.  while this thread may seem redundant, i feel otherwise given the scrapped equipment thread on the bus section of the forums (like mentioned earlier) and also this thread could come in handy later on when the 211s start coming in and more cars begin to get scrapped. i hope you all enjoy this.

-Coney Island Av

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Where is 5286-9? I had heard something about a 4-unit set of R44s surviving the 2013 scrapping but I never saw anything confirming that. Supposedly they were badly flooded in Sandy as well.

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Someone on Wikipedia last night posted that SIR R44 car 399 is currently stored at the Coney Island Yard but has been stripped of parts and out of service.

Can anyone please confirm (pics, vids, etc) if you guys can?

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9 minutes ago, Jemorie said:

Someone on Wikipedia last night posted that SIR R44 car 399 is currently stored at the Coney Island Yard but has been stripped of parts and out of service.

Can anyone please confirm (pics, vids, etc) if you guys can?

You can't make out the numbers here, but this link from google maps shows a single SIR car and a 4 car set of R44s sitting at CI yard.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, R68OnBroadway said:

You can't make out the numbers here, but this link from google maps shows a single SIR car and a 4 car set of R44s sitting at CI yard.

Good looks. Noticed the image capture is from July 2019 last year as well.

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That looks like 5286-9 as well. I know it's a long shot but it would be awesome to somehow make 5240 operational using some/all of this set. Anyone know if it would be possible to link two A cars like the R46s, or is there equipment on the B cars that is needed?

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@Amtrak706, whelp, time for some new edits to the R44 article on Wikipedia sooner or later then. I'm so excited and can't wait till someone posts more information about that lone SIR car and the four-car NYCT cars. I look forward.

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On 2/19/2020 at 6:08 PM, Jemorie said:

@Amtrak706, whelp, time for some new edits to the R44 article on Wikipedia sooner or later then. I'm so excited and can't wait till someone posts more information about that lone SIR car and the four-car NYCT cars. I look forward.

Don’t get too excited. There’s a 99.9% chance all 5 of these cars will be scrapped

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Where can you see the retired R42s and R32s now? Are they sitting idle at 207? If so, are they at the scrap area (by 215th) or are they at where the museum trains are layed up (by 207th).

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1 hour ago, Amtrak706 said:

Don’t get too excited. There’s a 99.9% chance all 5 of these cars will be scrapped

Oh when I said excited, I meant there's a possible chance we may have found some pretty accurate information about those five R44 cars enough for the R44 article on Wikipedia. Especially after all these past 10 years since they were last thrown out the window in general. Because you know, Wikipedia always gets a bad rap sheet for being "unreliable" even though 90% of the information the users on that site, including myself, write down are based on actual sources from the MTA themselves as well as those in the know. Ask @Union Tpke, Epic Genius, and they'll tell you.

I don't care for the R44s like that lol.

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On 2/19/2020 at 3:27 PM, Amtrak706 said:

Where is 5286-9? I had heard something about a 4-unit set of R44s surviving the 2013 scrapping but I never saw anything confirming that. Supposedly they were badly flooded in Sandy as well.

 

On 2/19/2020 at 3:30 PM, Jemorie said:

Someone on Wikipedia last night posted that SIR R44 car 399 is currently stored at the Coney Island Yard but has been stripped of parts and out of service.

Can anyone please confirm (pics, vids, etc) if you guys can?

this is indeed correct. 399 is oos and sitting in coney island as well as 5286-9 (recently took a look at the yard). 3786-87 is also there (that pair is also done for, has been oos since 2009 and is stripped too). 

although @R68OnBroadway did show a screenshot of google maps i have some pics of the aforementioned cars. 

note: no trespassing was involved in these pictures, there is a small public road that runs in front of the yard (took these photos through the fencing).

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On 2/20/2020 at 5:36 PM, R68OnBroadway said:

Where can you see the retired R42s and R32s now? Are they sitting idle at 207? If so, are they at the scrap area (by 215th) or are they at where the museum trains are layed up (by 207th).

the R42s are mainly scattered across various yards throughout the B division. coney island, pitkin, east new york to name a few. 

the retired R32s are at 207. they are stored on the side of the yard facing the river (or also where the museum trains and all active equipment on the (A) is layed up). nothing appears to be sitting at 215. however i did see one retired consist of 32s sitting in pitkin as well a couple weeks ago. 

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@Coney Island Av, good looks. Appreciate it. Do you have those photos of yours linked in your Linken? If you have one? Reason why I'm asking is so we can use this as reference.

@Union Tpke, what you think? Should we update the R44 article on Wikipedia using @Coney Island Av's reliable information?

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8 hours ago, Jemorie said:

@Coney Island Av, good looks. Appreciate it. Do you have those photos of yours linked in your Linken? If you have one? Reason why I'm asking is so we can use this as reference.

@Union Tpke, what you think? Should we update the R44 article on Wikipedia using @Coney Island Av's reliable information?

We should update it. Thanks @Coney Island Av.

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some retired R32s they could retain (due to lack of Phase I pairs in the NYTM fleet):

3354-55 (was apart of first R32 run to GCT, 1964), 3360-61 (also was apart of the first R32 run), 3380-81 (only R32 pair to have an R30 blind end), and 3444-3777 (makes sense to save at least one mix-mated pair) 

also it is possible, tho not confirmed, that retired R32s will go into work service to replace the R33WFs. the WFs are in poor condition and are less durable than the R32s. if this happens, the WF work motors based out of 207th and 38th at the very least will go to scrap. 

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update: 4824-25 is stored at 207, coupled to R33WF refuse unit 19335 (ex-9335) 

meaning only four R42s stored at CI (4798-99, 4816-17) 

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9 minutes ago, MeeP15-9112 said:

Why are R44s 399 and 466 retired? Parts source?

466 I think was involved in a derailment some years back. Not sure about 399.

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On 3/15/2020 at 6:13 PM, Coney Island Av said:

also it is possible, tho not confirmed, that retired R32s will go into work service to replace the R33WFs. the WFs are in poor condition and are less durable than the R32s. if this happens, the WF work motors based out of 207th and 38th at the very least will go to scrap. 

If this is the case, then what are they going to use on the 'A' division? I know they use some R62s on the Flushing Line, and I know the R127/R134s do not have Air-Conditioning, therefore...

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I think they will use extra single unit R62A's for the A division once the remaining redbird work cars go away.  Once the R262's come in, I think they will replace the R32 work motors (except R127 and R134) with R62A's.

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2 hours ago, S78 via Hylan said:

466 I think was involved in a derailment some years back. Not sure about 399.

According to nycsubway.org, the R44s converted for SI (388-399, ten cars) were done so under contract R43.

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On 3/31/2020 at 12:16 AM, Collin said:

I think they will use extra single unit R62A's for the A division once the remaining redbird work cars go away.  Once the R262's come in, I think they will replace the R32 work motors (except R127 and R134) with R62A's.

Most likely  and retrofit them with a diversion valve so they can go into both divisions.  Makes sense. 

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