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I’m not sure if anyone made a thread like this, but here’s a game for y’all. Create your own G.O.. These are fictional Scenarios so you can go wild with this. Keep in mind that you can use scenarios that have happened before. Here is the criteria:

- State the subway line or corridor that would be affected. 
- State the Type of work that you would plan to get done on said corridor. You can add more than one objective. You can split the work into Phases. 

- Address the time period that you plan to get said work done. You can do the good old nights and weekends and it you can plan how CTA does their G.O.’s (or some (L) Train Shutdown type work)

- Last but not least, Address you you plan to mitigate any disruption that your said G.O. would cause. So be sure to address reroutes, shuttle buses, Busways, etc. 

I’ll start off with an example:

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Between Coney Island and 36th Street-4th Avenue, the following work needs to be done:

- Flood Protection work at CIY
- Station Modernization 
- ADA Accessibility upgrades at all affected Stations
- Signal Modernization
- Track and Tunnel work along the 4th Avenue Express
- Station Conversion at 8th Avenue and Kings Highway
 

(N) trains are rerouted via the (D) Line between 36th Street/4th Avenue and Coney Island/Stilwell Avenue for 10 Months straight as the work listed above occurs. (March 2020-January 2021). (D) Trains will run peak Express during the rush hours as a result of this reroute. Some trains will short turn at Bay Parkway.
 

Shuttle Buses along Sea Beach would provide alternative service. B3, B6, B8 and B9 service will be enhanced as the work is being done. 

(R) and (W) Trains will provide extra Service between Canal Street and Bay Ridge-95th Street during this work period.

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SWITCH AND SIGNAL MODERNIZATION

Starting March 20th, 2020 until spring 2021, all times

(R)(W) service at Canal St, City Hall, Cortlandt St, Rector St and South Ferry is suspended.

(W) service is suspended.

(E) trains run local in both directions between Forest Hills-71st Av and Queens Plaza.

(N) trains run local in both directions between Times Sq-42nd St and Canal St.

(R) trains run between Bay Ridge-95th St and Court St, and via the (J) to/from Chambers St, the last stop.

For service between Canal St and Whitehall St, take the (6) ((4) late nights) making nearby stops.

For service between Queens Blvd & Broadway, take the (E) to 42nd St and transfer to an (N) or (Q) train.

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@LaGuardia Link N Tra GREAT Idea!

Here's mine:

SIGNAL MODERNIZATION AND SWITCH REPLACEMENT

Starting April 20, 2020 until Winter 2020, weekends and late nights

(F) service at 57 St, Lexington Av-63 St, Roosevelt Island, and 21 St-Queensbridge is suspended

(M)(Q) service at 72 St, 86 St, and 96 St is suspended

 

(F) trains run from Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue to Jamaica-179 St, via the (M) between 47-50 Sts and 36 St.

(M) trains run from Metropolitan Av to 47-50 Sts, then via the (B) to 145th St, the last stop.

(Q) trains run from Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue to Lexington Av-63 St, then via the (F) to Roosevelt Island.

Shuttle buses run on 3 routes:

Route #1:

  • 59 St (A)(C)(D)(M)
  • 57 St-6 Av
  • 59 St-5 Av (N)(R)
  • Lexington Av-63 St (Q)
  • 96 St 

Route #2:

  • 59 St (A)(C)(D)(M)
  • 57 St-6 Av
  • 59 St-5 Av (N)(R)
  • Lexington Av-63 St (Q)
  • 72 St
  • 86 St
  • 96 St 

Route #3:

  • Roosevelt Island (Q)
  • 21 St - Queensbridge
  • Queensboro Plaza (7)(N)
  • Queens Plaza (E)(F)(R)

 

 

 

Edited by Jova42R

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SIGNAL REPLACEMENT AND STATION MODERNIZATION

April 2020 to July 2020, late nights and weekends.

(N) service at 5 Av, Lex Av-59 St, Queensboro Plaza, 39 Av, 36 Av, Broadway, 30 Av, Astoria Blvd, and Ditmars Blvd is suspended.

(R) service at 5 Av, Lex Av-59 St, and Queens Plaza is suspended.

(W) service at 5 Av and Lex Av-59 St is suspended.

 

(R) trains run via the (Q) and (F) from 57 St-7 Av to 36 St.

(N) trains run from 86 St to 57 St-7 Av.

(W) trains run from Queensboro Plaza to Astoria-Ditmars ONLY, fulltime.

For Lex Av-59 St, use the (R)(Q)(F) at Lex Av-63 St.

For additional service between Manhattan and Queens, (M) service will run its normal weekday pattern.

For service to Queens Plaza, use the (M) at 34 St or the (E) at 42 St.

For service between Manhattan and Querns, use the (M)(R)(F)(E) trains or the express shuttle bus.

THERE IS A FREE TRANSFER BETWEEN QUEENSBORO PLAZA AND 21 ST.

A shuttle bus will run from Lex Av-63 St to 57 St-7 Av, stopping at Lex-59 and 5 Av.

There will also be an express shuttle bus from Queensboro Plaza to 57 St-7 Av, making no stops.

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On 3/16/2020 at 8:33 PM, Lawrence St said:

 

(R) trains run between Bay Ridge-95th St and Court St, and via the (J) to/from Chambers St, the last stop.

 


....and how are you going to turn (R) service at Chambers? The only way that could reasonably be done is if JH1&3 got restored, and trains would have to relay into those tracks. If IF that were done, those relays would interfere with both north and southbound (J) service, which makes a rather slow move across the switches north of Chambers. Nevermind that if you sent the (R) to Chambers, it would have to use 8 car trains.

A better solution would be to send the (R) to Essex and have it turn on the J3-4 track in the station.

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On 3/16/2020 at 9:25 PM, Jova42R said:

@LaGuardia Link N Tra GREAT Idea!

Here's mine:

SIGNAL MODERNIZATION AND SWITCH REPLACEMENT

Starting April 20, 2020 until Winter 2020, weekends and late nights

(F) service at 57 St, Lexington Av-63 St, Roosevelt Island, and 21 St-Queensbridge is suspended

(M)(Q) service at 72 St, 86 St, and 96 St is suspended

 

(F) trains run from Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue to Jamaica-179 St, via the (M) between 47-50 Sts and 36 St.

(M) trains run from Metropolitan Av to 47-50 Sts, then via the (B) to 145th St, the last stop.

(Q) trains run from Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue to Lexington Av-63 St, then via the (F) to Roosevelt Island.

Gonna have to suspend (B) service or extend to Bedford Park all day if you want the (M) to end at 145. Also, Roosevelt Island isn't a terminal, why wouldn't you send the (Q) to 21-QB?

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43 minutes ago, Snowblock said:

Gonna have to suspend (B) service or extend to Bedford Park all day if you want the (M) to end at 145. Also, Roosevelt Island isn't a terminal, why wouldn't you send the (Q) to 21-QB?

This is on the weekend, so (B) service is a non-issue.

The (Q) terminates at Roosevelt Island because the switch replacement part of this is at 21 St. You can turn trains at Roosevelt Island - see this map:

https://www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/docs/NYC_full_trackmap.pdf

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On 3/16/2020 at 8:33 PM, Lawrence St said:

SWITCH AND SIGNAL MODERNIZATION

Starting March 20th, 2020 until spring 2021, all times

(R)(W) service at Canal St, City Hall, Cortlandt St, Rector St and South Ferry is suspended.

(W) service is suspended.

(E) trains run local in both directions between Forest Hills-71st Av and Queens Plaza.

(N) trains run local in both directions between Times Sq-42nd St and Canal St.

(R) trains run between Bay Ridge-95th St and Court St, and via the (J) to/from Chambers St, the last stop.

For service between Canal St and Whitehall St, take the (6) ((4) late nights) making nearby stops.

For service between Queens Blvd & Broadway, take the (E) to 42nd St and transfer to an (N) or (Q) train.

What I could see happening if such a situation happened would be a split (R) train on weekdays, and an (R) via the Manhattan Bridge on weekends, like they did for Sandy work. Having the (E) run local would not work, since the ridership is too high to take both (E) and (R) loads (especially weekdays). Also, you would see backlash from SE Queens residents.

So I could see something on weekdays like the (R) running from Forest Hills to 2nd Avenue via 63rd Street (for the (Q) connection) and 6th Avenue, and the other leg running via Court Street and Bay Ridge. 

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STRUCTURAL MAINTENANCE AND TRACK WORK

May weekends

(1) train service at 225 St, 231 St, 238 St, and 242 St is suspended.

(A) train service at 168 St, 175 St, 181 St, 190 St, Dyckman St, and 207 St is suspended

(C) trains run from Euclid Av to 168 St, then via the (A) to/from 207 St.

(A) trains run from Far Rockaway or Lefferts Blvd to 145 St, then via the (D) to/from 205 St

(1) trains run from South Ferry to 215 St.

Shuttle buses run on 2 routes:

Route #1:

  • Dyckman St (1)
  • Dyckman St (A)
    • via HH Pkwy
  • Spuyten Duyvil MNR
    • MNR trains run increased service, cross-honor MetroCards from Marble Hill to Spuyten Duyvil.
  • 231 St (1)
  • 238 St (1)
  • 242 St (1)

Route #2:

  • 215 St (1)
  • 207 St (A)

NOTE: THE BROADWAY BRIDGE IS CLOSED DURING THIS TIME PERIOD. :bus_bullet_bx7: AND :bus_bullet_bxm1: BUS SERVICE IS VIA THE HH BRIDGE. USE THE M100.

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1 hour ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

What I could see happening if such a situation happened would be a split (R) train on weekdays, and an (R) via the Manhattan Bridge on weekends, like they did for Sandy work. Having the (E) run local would not work, since the ridership is too high to take both (E) and (R) loads (especially weekdays). Also, you would see backlash from SE Queens residents.

So I could see something on weekdays like the (R) running from Forest Hills to 2nd Avenue via 63rd Street (for the (Q) connection) and 6th Avenue, and the other leg running via Court Street and Bay Ridge. 

Yeah that was a very tricky G.O to work around. Unlike the Mountague rehab, all tracks between Canal St Lower Level and Whitehall St are closed off, so it was very hard trying to come up with an alternative.

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TRACK REPLACEMENT AND SIGNAL UPGRADES

Mar 23-27, 2020, 12:00 AM to 11:59 PM, every day.

(E) service at Court Sq, Lexington Av-53 St, 5 Av-53 St, and 7 Av is suspended.

(M) service at Queens Plaza, Court Sq, Lexington Av-53 St, and 5 Av-53 St is suspended.

(E) trains run from WTC to 50 St, and then via the (C) to/from 168 St, the last stop.

(M) trains run from Metropolitan Av to 47-50 Sts, then via the (F) to/from 36 St, where they continue their regular route to 71 Av.

Special (H) service runs from Queens Plaza to Jamaica Center, replacing the (E) in Queens.

Shuttle buses run on 2 routes:

  • Court Sq (7)(G)
  • Queens Plaza (EE)(R)
  • 21 St (F)(M)

and

  • Queens Plaza (EE)(R)
  • 21 St (F)(M)
    • via Queensboro Bridge
  • Lex-53 (6)
  • 5-53
  • 7th (B)(D)
  • 50th (C)(E)

 

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36 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

TRACK REPLACEMENT AND SIGNAL UPGRADES

Mar 23-27, 2020, 12:00 AM to 11:59 PM, every day.

(E) service at Court Sq, Lexington Av-53 St, 5 Av-53 St, and 7 Av is suspended.

(M) service at Queens Plaza, Court Sq, Lexington Av-53 St, and 5 Av-53 St is suspended.

(E) trains run from WTC to 50 St, and then via the (C) to/from 168 St, the last stop.

(M) trains run from Metropolitan Av to 47-50 Sts, then via the (F) to/from 36 St, where they continue their regular route to 71 Av.

Special (H) service runs from Queens Plaza to Jamaica Center, replacing the (E) in Queens.

Shuttle buses run on 2 routes:

  • Court Sq (7)(G)
  • Queens Plaza (EE)(R)
  • 21 St (F)(M)

and

  • Queens Plaza (EE)(R)
  • 21 St (F)(M)
    • via Queensboro Bridge
  • Lex-53 (6)
  • 5-53
  • 7th (B)(D)
  • 50th (C)(E)

 

Wouldn’t it be simpler to reroute (E) service via 6th Avenue, (M) to Chambers and if needed, have the (G) Supplement the (R)?

(C) Service could be boosted along 8th Avenue and CPW. 

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45 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

Wouldn’t it be simpler to reroute (E) service via 6th Avenue, (M) to Chambers and if needed, have the (G) Supplement the (R)?

(C) Service could be boosted along 8th Avenue and CPW. 

Yes. They've done that week long shutdown before, and it's (E) via (F) between Roosevelt Avenue to West 4th Street in both directions, with (M) service terminating at Chambers Street (because 63rd Street would be maxed out during the rush). The rest is overcomplicating things just to have trains go way out of their way to places they don't usually go.

Shuttle buses are also not necessary since most people will opt for a Transit alternative (the subway lines are not THAT far apart). Also, traffic on a regular day would make it shuttle bus a long trip, to the point where you're better off walking to/from the alternative.

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On 3/20/2020 at 3:17 PM, Jova42R said:

This is on the weekend, so (B) service is a non-issue.

The (Q) terminates at Roosevelt Island because the switch replacement part of this is at 21 St. You can turn trains at Roosevelt Island - see this map:

https://www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/docs/NYC_full_trackmap.pdf

Roosevelt Island has neither a dispatcher office or a crew facility. Where are these crews supposed to take their lunch or comfort when they get to Roosevelt Island?

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5 minutes ago, Snowblock said:

Roosevelt Island has neither a dispatcher office or a crew facility. Where are these crews supposed to take their lunch or comfort when they get to Roosevelt Island?

Well, it's better than not having service to Roosevelt.

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On 3/20/2020 at 4:37 PM, Jova42R said:

STRUCTURAL MAINTENANCE AND TRACK WORK

May weekends

(1) train service at 225 St, 231 St, 238 St, and 242 St is suspended.

(A) train service at 168 St, 175 St, 181 St, 190 St, Dyckman St, and 207 St is suspended

(C) trains run from Euclid Av to 168 St, then via the (A) to/from 207 St.

(A) trains run from Far Rockaway or Lefferts Blvd to 145 St, then via the (D) to/from 205 St

(1) trains run from South Ferry to 215 St.

Shuttle buses run on 2 routes:

Route #1:

  • Dyckman St (1)
  • Dyckman St (A)
    • via HH Pkwy
  • Spuyten Duyvil MNR
    • MNR trains run increased service, cross-honor MetroCards from Marble Hill to Spuyten Duyvil.
  • 231 St (1)
  • 238 St (1)
  • 242 St (1)

Route #2:

  • 215 St (1)
  • 207 St (A)

NOTE: THE BROADWAY BRIDGE IS CLOSED DURING THIS TIME PERIOD. :bus_bullet_bx7: AND :bus_bullet_bxm1: BUS SERVICE IS VIA THE HH BRIDGE. USE THE M100.

If the (C) can run to 207, why can't the (A) ? This GO makes absolutely no sense.

Don't even get me started on how little sense it makes to send a shuttle bus to the SPUYTEN DUYVIL MNRR station, especially if it's only to get customers to Marble Hill. You have obviously never driven to Spuyten Duyvil, which is an extremely unfriendly station for bus traffic, and there is no direct route from the Henry Hudson bridge to that station. You are also going to piss off every rider who is trying to get to Broadway since making that Spuyten Duyvil stop is going to add at least 15 extra minutes to their bustitution. At least run shuttle buses that go directly to Broadway!

Oh and regarding that other GO you posted, why would you call a service between Queens Plaza and Jamaica Center the (H) instead of the (E) ????

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Just now, Snowblock said:

If the (C) can run to 207, why can't the (A) ? This GO makes absolutely no sense.

Don't even get me started on how little sense it makes to send a shuttle bus to the SPUYTEN DUYVIL MNRR station. You have obviously never driven to Spuyten Duyvil, which is an extremely unfriendly station for bus traffic, and there is no direct route from the Henry Hudson bridge to that station. You are also going to piss off every rider who is trying to get to Broadway since making that Spuyten Duyvil stop is going to add at least 15 extra minutes to their bustitution. At least run shuttle buses that go directly to Broadway!

Because the express tracks 145-168 are being worked on.

Ok, so a bus would run down kappock to broadway, then up to 242. special buses run from 225 to Dyckman.

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STRUCTURAL WORK AND REHABILITATION 

Starting March 30th, 2020 until spring 2021, all times

(E) and (M) service in Manhattan is rerouted in both directions, (C) trains run overnight.

(E) trains run between World Trade Center and West 4th St, and via the (F) to/from Forest Hills-71st Av.

(M) trains run between Metropolitan Av and West 4th St, and via the (E) to/from Queens Plaza, days and evenings.

(C) trains run overnight between 168th St and World Trade Center, the last stop.

For (E) service at 7th Av or Queens Plaza, take an (M) train, days and evenings.

Late nights along 8th Av, take an (A) or (C) to West 4th St and transfer to an (E) train.

 

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2 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

STRUCTURAL WORK AND REHABILITATION 

Starting March 30th, 2020 until spring 2021, all times

(E) and (M) service in Manhattan is rerouted in both directions, (C) trains run overnight.

(E) trains run between World Trade Center and West 4th St, and via the (F) to/from Forest Hills-71st Av.

(M) trains run between Metropolitan Av and West 4th St, and via the (E) to/from Queens Plaza, days and evenings.

(C) trains run overnight between 168th St and World Trade Center, the last stop.

For (E) service at 7th Av or Queens Plaza, take an (M) train, days and evenings.

Late nights along 8th Av, take an (A) or (C) to West 4th St and transfer to an (E) train.

 

What is the work being done?

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1 minute ago, Jova42R said:

What is the work being done?

The uptown 6th Av local track that enters West 4th St needs to have the support beams redone so no track access, along with a nights only switch replacement at 36th St, hence why the (E) and (F) are running via 63rd.

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1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

The uptown 6th Av local track that enters West 4th St needs to have the support beams redone so no track access, along with a nights only switch replacement at 36th St, hence why the (E) and (F) are running via 63rd.

Ah ok.

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SANDY RECOVERY WORK. TUNNEL REHABILITATION; STATION REHABILITATION

FROM SEPTEMBER 2020 to AUGUST 2021

(F) Trains will be Split in 2 Sections for necessary tunnel work. 

Between Jamaica-179th Street and Delancey Street. (Some Trains will short turn at Second Avenue.)

Between York Street and Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue

(C) Train Service Will be lengthened to 10 Cars to Mitigate Crowds

(G) Train Service will be boosted to every 4 Minutes with length increase 8-10 Car trains.

A Free Transfer will be provided between Grand Street (B)(D) and Bowery (J)(Z)

[M9] Buses will get a service Boost to 5 Minute Headways. 

A Shuttle Bus will run via the Manhattan Bridge on Weekends to connect York Street (F) with East Broadway (F) while making one intermediate stop at High Street (A)(C).

In addition, East Broadway on the (F) will be Fully Shutdown for a Station Rehabilitation. ADA Upgrades such as Installing Elevators will be installed. The incomplete section of the Worth Street Line will be presented as Museum Exhibit if feasible. 

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22 hours ago, Jova42R said:

Because the express tracks 145-168 are being worked on.

Ok, so a bus would run down kappock to broadway, then up to 242. special buses run from 225 to Dyckman.

So send the (A) local from 125. They do it all the time. It makes absolutely no sense why you would instead send the (A) up the Concourse and extend the (C) to 207.

That's a much better plan for your bus route. Although I can't recall there ever being a time where the entire bridge was closed to both vehicle and subway traffic.

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22 minutes ago, Snowblock said:

So send the (A) local from 125. They do it all the time. It makes absolutely no sense why you would instead send the (A) up the Concourse and extend the (C) to 207.

That's a much better plan for your bus route. Although I can't recall there ever being a time where the entire bridge was closed to both vehicle and subway traffic.

OK that makes sense

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SIGNAL MODERNIZATION AND TRACK WORK

JULY WEEKENDS IN 2020

Northbound (F) service at 4 Av, 15 St, and Fort Hamilton Pkwy is suspended

Southbound (F) service at 4 Av, 15 St, Fort Hamilton Pkwy, Ditmas Av, Av I, Bay Pkwy, Av N, and Av P is suspended

(G) service at Smith-9th Sts, 4 Av, 7 Av, 15 St, Fort Hamilton Pkwy, and Church Av is suspended

(F) service runs on the express track from Smith-9th Sts to Church Av for NB trains, Kings Hwy for SB trains.

special (GG) service runs from Church Av to 4 Av, making ALL LOCAL STOPS.

For connections between the (R) and (F), use Jay St or the (GG).

change between (F) and (GG) trains at 7 Av.

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