Deucey Posted March 16, 2020 Share #1 Posted March 16, 2020 Shout out to @Ben Kabak’s 2AvSagas Twitter for the link.http://web.mta.info/mta/investor/pdf/2020/2019CoronavirusUpdateSupp031220.pdf Also: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted March 16, 2020 Share #2 Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) YAY! I just saved that on the webarchive. Edited March 16, 2020 by Union Tpke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted March 16, 2020 Share #3 Posted March 16, 2020 Well, considering the entire world will be falling into a potentially catastrophic recession, the MTA is only one of many. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted March 17, 2020 Share #4 Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) Trump, Cuomo and DeBlasio are the last people I'd want leading things in a crisis. Their egos will not do us any good. Edited March 17, 2020 by R10 2952 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted March 17, 2020 Share #5 Posted March 17, 2020 This is really gonna require federal assistance to fix. Through fares and its collection of economically sensitive taxes, MTA is very exposed to economic fluctuations in its operating budget, and the state already has plenty on it's budgetary plate. I'm really hoping congress/FTA pulls through with a sizable temporary operating assistance program for transit agencies in general, but I've been doing this long enough to know not to hold my breath. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share #6 Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, RR503 said: This is really gonna require federal assistance to fix. Through fares and its collection of economically sensitive taxes, MTA is very exposed to economic fluctuations in its operating budget, and the state already has plenty on it's budgetary plate. I'm really hoping congress/FTA pulls through with a sizable temporary operating assistance program for transit agencies in general, but I've been doing this long enough to know not to hold my breath. to Feds: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/nyregion/coronavirus-nyc-subway-federal-aid-.html?referringSource=articleShare 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted March 17, 2020 M.T.A., Citing Huge Drop in Riders, Seeks $4 Billion Virus Bailout Ridership has fallen 60 percent on the subways and as much as 90 percent on commuter railways. By Christina Goldbaum March 17, 2020, 4:30 p.m. ET New York City’s public transportation system, the largest in North America, is seeking a $4 billion federal bailout as the coronavirus pandemic has triggered an extraordinary free fall in ridership and left transit officials facing what is likely to be the worst economic crisis in decades. In a letter on Tuesday to New York’s Congressional delegation, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority — which runs the subway, buses and two commuter rails — said ridership had plunged 60 percent on the subway and 49 percent on buses on Monday compared with the same day last year. Similar steep drops have taken place on other parts of the system: 90 percent on Metro-North Railroad, which serves communities north of New York City; and 67 percent on the Long Island Rail Road during the Tuesday morning rush hour compared to the same day last year. The plea from the public transit system, which is the lifeblood for the region’s economy, could forecast a coming crisis for public transportation agencies nationwide, many of which are also reeling from plummeting ridership and crippling finances just a few weeks into the outbreak in the United States. “The stark reality is that as more people stay home following the advice of medical experts, the M.T.A. is now facing financial calamity,” Patrick J. Foye, chairman of the transit authority, said in the letter. The authority projects revenue losses of roughly $3.7 billion if ridership trends continue for the next several months, and expects coronavirus-specific expenses, like disinfecting subway cars and stations, to reach around $300 million. “The M.T.A. has already committed to finding $2.8 billion in savings over the next several years,” Mr. Foye said. “No agency of our size can find additional billions in savings equivalent to the damages we have and will sustain as a result of this pandemic.” State and city officials have said they are not planning to reduce service on the region’s vast transit system, which typically serves around eight million passengers every weekday. They have emphasized that it is important to keep the system operating so health care workers can get to work. But the M.T.A. is particularly vulnerable to the sudden and precipitous economic downturn since it relies on a mix of funding from federal, state and city government — all of which are grappling with their own challenges — to operate and maintain its system. “They are a barometer of the regional economy, a much more immediate barometer for things to come,” said Nicole Gelinas, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a conservative research group. Revenues from fares and tolls, which contribute around half of the M.T.A.’s operating budget, and dedicated taxes, which provide another third of that budget, are already taking a hit as ridership falls and the pandemic sets off sweeping layoffs and business failures across the city. Officials have urged those who can to avoid subways and buses and enacted sweeping regulations, like closing schools, Broadway theaters, museums, movie houses, bars and allowing restaurants to remain open only for take out and deliveries, that have all but shut down New York. The draconian measures are meant to curb the spread of the virus in New York City, where the number of confirmed cases climbed to over 1,000on Tuesday. Still, the dual need to keep riders away from public transportation to protect the public health, while also keeping the system running to ensure essential workers can get to work has thrust transit agencies like the M.T.A. into a precarious position. “They are performing a social good, but that costs them a lot of money,” Ms. Gelinas said. “They are in a very unique situation in that they cannot and should not cut back in service in response to the shock, so they are stuck with a huge financial burden.” While it is still too early to say what the long term consequences might be, past financial crises have resulted in significant service cuts and fare hikes. After the 2008 financial crisis, M.T.A. officials slashed bus service, eliminated two subway lines and imposed a 23 percent increase in fares and tolls on bridges and tunnels. In the 1970s, a severe financial slump that brought the city to the brink of bankruptcy, led the authority to close two subway lines in Manhattan and the Bronx and reduce service across four lines in Brooklyn and Queens. Last week, M.T.A. officials said they would only consider cutting service if health officials advised it or ridership continued to drop. Other cities across the country have already begun to slash service. This week, officials in Washington D.C., Boston and Philadelphia reduced public transit service as school closuresand restrictions on public gathering ground cities to a standstill. Amtrak, the nation’s passenger railroad, also reduced its service, cutting the frequency of Northeast Regional and Acela trains that run along the East Coast by 40 percent. The cuts come as ridership on public transportation nationwide have decreased significantly. New Jersey Transit, which operates a vast network of commuter trains and buses connecting New Jersey to Manhattan, said ridership had dropped 40 percent over the past week compared with the same period last year. In Seattle, ridership fell 45 percent last week compared with the same period last year. In Chicago, rail ridership fell nearly 20 percent last week compared with last year. And in San Francisco, ridership fell by half on Friday, compared with the same day the previous year. Last week in San Francisco, the Bay Area Rapid Transit District, which oversees the region’s commuter rail and bus network, appealed to Congress for federal funds to help make up revenue loss, which it estimated to be as much as $5 million a week. Mr. Trump has said that the state of emergency he declared last week would help free up $50 billion to help states and localities cope with the coronavirus outbreak. On Friday, the Federal Transit Administration announced that it would allow transit agencies in some states, like in New York, to shift federal funds reserved for infrastructure projects to operating expenses related to fighting the coronavirus, like disinfecting subway cars, to offer some relief. But in his letter on Tuesday, Mr. Foye said that redirecting federal funds from upgrades and maintenance is both insufficient to cover the M.T.A.’s projected losses and threatens to plunge the system into disrepair. Still, experts warn that the current crisis could force a fundamental rethinking of the M.T.A.’s recently adopted $54 billion plan to modernize the system’s antiquated equipment. Advocates had hailed the plan as a much needed fix for a system that fell into such disrepair that Mr. Cuomo declared a state of emergency in 2017. At that time, only 58 percent of trains ran on time. Today, the rate is over 80 percent after major investments in signal upgrades and train maintenance helped reverse the system’s steep decline. “There were questions from the beginning about whether the M.T.A. could implement this very large and ambitious capital plan,” said Maria Doulis, vice president of the Citizens Budget Commission, a watchdog group. “Now there are even larger questions about whether this can proceed given the M.T.A.’s finances.” Redirecting funds set aside for those upgrades to keep the system afloat is a move that “could be done first with the least resistance,” Ms. Doulis said. Without federal or state assistance, the transit authority has few other options to make up for the shortfall. The authority could lean on its work force to fill some of the financial gap by suspending payments into workers’ pension funds or renegotiating labor deals. Or it could force riders to pay higher fares and slash service to cut costs. But that might keep riders away and also hamper the city’s overall economic health as it tries to recover from the pandemic. “Workers won’t be able to get to jobs, people won’t help boost the economy. They will be feeling healthy but they won’t be able to go out and engage with the city,” said Jaqi Cohen, campaign director for the Straphangers Campaign, an advocacy group. “If the federal government does not step in, New York City cannot move forward, literally.” https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/nyregion/coronavirus-nyc-subway-federal-aid-.html?referringSource=articleShare 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted March 17, 2020 Share #8 Posted March 17, 2020 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/nyregion/coronavirus-nyc-subway-federal-aid-.html Quote M.T.A., Citing Huge Drop in Riders, Seeks $4 Billion Virus Bailout Ridership has fallen 60 percent on the subways and as much as 90 percent on commuter railways. By Christina Goldbaum March 17, 2020Updated 5:26 p.m. ET New York City’s public transportation system, the largest in North America, is seeking a $4 billion federal bailout as the coronavirus pandemic has triggered an extraordinary free fall in ridership and left transit officials facing what is likely to be the worst economic crisis in decades. In a letter on Tuesday to New York’s Congressional delegation, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority — which runs the subway, buses and two commuter rails — said ridership had plunged 60 percent on the subway and 49 percent on buses on Monday compared with the same day last year. Similar steep drops have taken place on other parts of the system: 90 percent on Metro-North Railroad, which serves communities north of New York City; and 67 percent on the Long Island Rail Road during the Tuesday morning rush hour compared to the same day last year. The plea from the public transit system, which is the lifeblood for the region’s economy, could forecast a coming crisis for public transportation agencies nationwide, many of which are also reeling from plummeting ridership and crippling finances just a few weeks into the outbreak in the United States. “The stark reality is that as more people stay home following the advice of medical experts, the M.T.A. is now facing financial calamity,” Patrick J. Foye, chairman of the transit authority, said in the letter. The authority projects revenue losses of roughly $3.7 billion if ridership trends continue for the next several months, and expects coronavirus-specific expenses, like disinfecting subway cars and stations, to reach around $300 million. “The M.T.A. has already committed to finding $2.8 billion in savings over the next several years,” Mr. Foye said. “No agency of our size can find additional billions in savings equivalent to the damages we have and will sustain as a result of this pandemic.” State and city officials have said they are not planning to reduce service on the region’s vast transit system, which typically serves around eight million passengers every weekday. They have emphasized that it is important to keep the system operating so health care workers can get to work. But the M.T.A. is particularly vulnerable to the sudden and precipitous economic downturn since it relies on a mix of funding from federal, state and city government — all of which are grappling with their own challenges — to operate and maintain its system. “They are a barometer of the regional economy, a much more immediate barometer for things to come,” said Nicole Gelinas, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a conservative research group. Revenues from fares and tolls, which contribute around half of the M.T.A.’s operating budget, and dedicated taxes, which provide another third of that budget, are already taking a hit as ridership falls and the pandemic sets off sweeping layoffs and business failures across the city. Officials have urged those who can to avoid subways and buses and enacted sweeping regulations, like closing schools, Broadway theaters, museums, movie houses, bars and allowing restaurants to remain open only for take out and deliveries, that have all but shut down New York. The draconian measures are meant to curb the spread of the virus in New York City, where the number of confirmed cases climbed to over 1,000 on Tuesday. Still, the dual need to keep riders away from public transportation to protect the public health, while also keeping the system running to ensure essential workers can get to work has thrust transit agencies like the M.T.A. into a precarious position. “They are performing a social good, but that costs them a lot of money,” Ms. Gelinas said. “They are in a very unique situation in that they cannot and should not cut back in service in response to the shock, so they are stuck with a huge financial burden.” While it is still too early to say what the long term consequences might be, past financial crises have resulted in significant service cuts and fare hikes. After the 2008 financial crisis, M.T.A. officials slashed bus service, eliminated two subway lines and imposed a 23 percent increase in fares and tolls on bridges and tunnels. In the 1970s, a severe financial slump that brought the city to the brink of bankruptcy led the authority to close two subway lines in Manhattan and the Bronx and reduce service across four lines in Brooklyn and Queens. Last week, M.T.A. officials said they would only consider cutting service if health officials advised it or ridership continued to drop. Other cities across the country have already begun to slash service. This week, officials in Washington D.C., Boston and Philadelphia reduced public transit service as school closures and restrictions on public gathering ground cities to a standstill. Amtrak, the nation’s passenger railroad, also reduced its service, cutting the frequency of Northeast Regional and Acela trains that run along the East Coast by 40 percent. The cuts come as ridership on public transportation nationwide have decreased significantly. New Jersey Transit, which operates a vast network of commuter trains and buses connecting New Jersey to Manhattan, said ridership had dropped 40 percent over the past week compared with the same period last year. In Seattle, ridership fell 45 percent last week compared with the same period last year. In Chicago, rail ridership fell nearly 20 percent last week compared with last year. And in San Francisco, ridership fell by half on Friday, compared with the same day the previous year. Last week in San Francisco, the Bay Area Rapid Transit District, which oversees the region’s commuter rail and bus network, appealed to Congress for federal funds to help make up revenue loss, which it estimated to be as much as $5 million a week. Mr. Trump has said that the state of emergency he declared last week would help free up $50 billion to help states and localities cope with the coronavirus outbreak. On Friday, the Federal Transit Administration announced that it would allow transit agencies in some states, like in New York, to shift federal funds reserved for infrastructure projects to operating expenses related to fighting the coronavirus, like disinfecting subway cars, to offer some relief. But in his letter on Tuesday, Mr. Foye said that redirecting federal funds from upgrades and maintenance is both insufficient to cover the M.T.A.’s projected losses and threatens to plunge the system into disrepair. Still, experts warn that the current crisis could force a fundamental rethinking of the M.T.A.’s recently adopted $54 billion plan to modernize the system’s antiquated equipment. Advocates had hailed the plan as a much needed fix for a system that fell into such disrepair that Mr. Cuomo declared a state of emergency in 2017. At that time, only 58 percent of trains ran on time. Today, the rate is over 80 percent after major investments in signal upgrades and train maintenance helped reverse the system’s steep decline. “There were questions from the beginning about whether the M.T.A. could implement this very large and ambitious capital plan,” said Maria Doulis, vice president of the Citizens Budget Commission, a watchdog group. “Now there are even larger questions about whether this can proceed given the M.T.A.’s finances.” Without federal or state assistance, the transit authority has few other options to make up for the shortfall. The authority could lean on its work force to fill some of the financial gap by suspending payments into workers’ pension funds or renegotiating labor deals. Or it could force riders to pay higher fares and slash service to cut costs. But that might keep riders away and also hamper the city’s overall economic health as it tries to recover from the pandemic. “Workers won’t be able to get to jobs, people won’t help boost the economy. They will be feeling healthy but they won’t be able to go out and engage with the city,” said Jaqi Cohen, campaign director for the Straphangers Campaign, an advocacy group. “If the federal government does not step in, New York City cannot move forward, literally.” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyMyself Posted March 17, 2020 Share #9 Posted March 17, 2020 Good luck to the accomplishing the 2020-24 Capital Plan. This coronavirus is really going to leave an impact on future plans... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68OnBroadway Posted March 17, 2020 Share #10 Posted March 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, SimplyMyself said: Good luck to the accomplishing the 2020-24 Capital Plan. This coronavirus is really going to leave an impact on future plans... Say goodbye to phase 2 of SAS and ESA for 5 more years... looks as if the biggest capital project that will get done at this point will be the Nostrand Avenue exit re-openings... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted March 18, 2020 Share #11 Posted March 18, 2020 I wonder why they don't run an Saturday schedule during the week to save money? Ridership has been really light ever since the City damn near shut down due to the virus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share #12 Posted March 18, 2020 53 minutes ago, trainfan22 said: I wonder why they don't run an Saturday schedule during the week to save money? Ridership has been really light ever since the City damn near shut down due to the virus. My guess is to prevent having to disrupt employees’ lives and finances - since going to weekend or night service full time would technically be a furlough and a forced paycut on staff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted March 18, 2020 Share #13 Posted March 18, 2020 There was actually a rumor about that floating around. But I didn't see how they would be able to do that, as the jobs are completely different. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted March 18, 2020 Share #14 Posted March 18, 2020 Why not make an adjusted schedule or service pattern for the Corona Virus or something along those lines? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted March 18, 2020 Share #15 Posted March 18, 2020 3 hours ago, trainfan22 said: I wonder why they don't run an Saturday schedule during the week to save money? Ridership has been really light ever since the City damn near shut down due to the virus. It wouldn't save much money. All the weekday crews would still have to report, which would mean you wouldn't have to dole out O/T to cover missing crews' assignments, but that you'd still be paying the lion's share of your normal cost structure. Something to consider, but it really isn't perfect either. 7 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: Why not make an adjusted schedule or service pattern for the Corona Virus or something along those lines? Writing schedules is an extremely complicated process. Your average supplement (what's used to run diversions) takes months to write and coordinate; the process for assembling the base schedule used in the pick starts something like 18 months out. Even if you did pull together a supplement, though, you'd probably not even end up saving all that much. The base work program is an optimized fabric that minimizes the number of crews required to run service (with some flaws, but this is generally true). As soon as you start picking at that -- even if you're running less service -- the number of crews required actually usually goes up because that fabric gets disrupted. This is why GOs that put the on a 12 or shortline the to 145 almost invariably require more resources than their base equivalent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted March 18, 2020 Share #16 Posted March 18, 2020 Thread merge? Seem to go hand-in-hand with each other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share #17 Posted March 18, 2020 48 minutes ago, R10 2952 said: Thread merge? Seem to go hand-in-hand with each other. Done, but my post title was better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted March 18, 2020 Share #18 Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Deucey said: Done, but my post title was better. Actually I requested in the hope that it would go under your original title LMAO.... "Y'all, we broke" is facts with the MTA right now. My bad. Edited March 18, 2020 by R10 2952 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted March 18, 2020 Share #19 Posted March 18, 2020 There's a lot less traffic all around, B&T traffic is only down by 6%? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted March 19, 2020 Share #20 Posted March 19, 2020 On 3/17/2020 at 2:04 PM, RR503 said: This is really gonna require federal assistance to fix. Through fares and its collection of economically sensitive taxes, MTA is very exposed to economic fluctuations in its operating budget, and the state already has plenty on it's budgetary plate. I'm really hoping congress/FTA pulls through with a sizable temporary operating assistance program for transit agencies in general, but I've been doing this long enough to know not to hold my breath. I am not optimistic that assistance will come. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68OnBroadway Posted March 19, 2020 Share #21 Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Union Tpke said: I am not optimistic that assistance will come. I’d expect some 2010-esque cuts- the subway will take a hit but it’ll probably be the buses that really suffer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted March 19, 2020 Share #22 Posted March 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Union Tpke said: I am not optimistic that assistance will come. If it doesn't, we're likely going to have a front-line seat to a wave of transit authority defaults/bankruptcies. There really isn't a way for the agency to cut its way out of this -- the gap is too large. This isn't to say that I at all disagree with your assessment here, just saying this will be catastrophic. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted March 19, 2020 Share #23 Posted March 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, RR503 said: If it doesn't, we're likely going to have a front-line seat to a wave of transit authority defaults/bankruptcies. There really isn't a way for the agency to cut its way out of this -- the gap is too large. This isn't to say that I at all disagree with your assessment here, just saying this will be catastrophic. Not the first bankruptcy Trump's seen, certainly not the last 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted March 19, 2020 Share #24 Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Union Tpke said: I am not optimistic that assistance will come. Current administration’s assistance priorities: 1. Corporate welfare (<industry> bail-out) 2. Tax cuts for “everyone” It’s inconceivable for Republicans to offer aid in any form other than a tax cut except when they are giving welfare to corporations like oil, coal, or telecommunications. Obviously, there are limits to cutting taxes. When you reach zero, there is nothing left to cut. And if you typically owe no taxes, you get no additional tax breaks. This massively benefits the wealthy private sector and corrupt public officials. Edited March 19, 2020 by CenSin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted March 19, 2020 Share #25 Posted March 19, 2020 8 hours ago, CenSin said: Current administration’s assistance priorities: 1. Corporate welfare (<industry> bail-out) 2. Tax cuts for “everyone” It’s inconceivable for Republicans to offer aid in any form other than a tax cut except when they are giving welfare to corporations like oil, coal, or telecommunications. Obviously, there are limits to cutting taxes. When you reach zero, there is nothing left to cut. And if you typically owe no taxes, you get no additional tax breaks. This massively benefits the wealthy private sector and corrupt public officials. Sadly, the Democrats just roll over and let them do whatever the hell they want. We need real leadership... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.