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Best and Worst Jobs in Subdivisions A and B for T/O's and C/R's

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To be honest, you'll have a much better chance of having this question answered if moved to the Transit Employment sub-forum.

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8 minutes ago, R10 2952 said:

To be honest, you'll have a much better chance of having this question answered if moved to the Transit Employment sub-forum.

The employment section of this online transit forum is dedicated to the civil service exam process, administrative/medical follow-up, and any other related pre-appointment questions that prospects may have. This topic addresses T/O's and C/R's with seniority sufficient enough to pick jobs with a steady schedule.

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2 hours ago, R10 2952 said:

To be honest, you'll have a much better chance of having this question answered if moved to the Transit Employment sub-forum.

I'll ask @SevenEleven to decide if it should be moved.

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4 hours ago, AlgorithmOfTruth said:

What are some of the best and worst jobs that a T/O or C/R can pick in Subdivisions A and B?

 

I'd love me some A102 on the daily 😁

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Here are some of my opinions:

Subdivision A: (1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(S)

(1) - 7th Avenue Local:

· I personally wouldn't want to be stuck working this line during the AM or PM rush; too chaotic.

(2) - 7th Avenue Express:

· Too much cab-time for my liking; especially those overnight trips from Flatbush to Wakefield and vice versa. Also, don't forget those G.O.'s that'll weigh you down even further. To me, it's one of the worst assignments that I can think of.

(3) - 7th Avenue Express:

· A sweet gig to work during the day and overnights isn't too shabby either as it remains an express line and only operates as a shuttle.

(4) - Lexington Avenue Express:

· Working this line during the day might be OK, but Jerome Avenue tends to drag along like the (2) does on Westchester Avenue or White Plains Road. Not only that, but all it takes is something minor to transpire and Jerome Avenue takes the hit. That stint in The Bronx is infamous for that. Just like the (2), an overnight pick on the (4) results in suffering. I view the line as marginally better than the overnight (2), but only because Lexington Avenue saves it some runtime.

(5)<5> - Lexington Avenue Express:

· A pick that includes an express <5> trip is probably one of the best jobs in my opinion. (Not including those trips that terminate at Nereid Avenue.) Midnights, the (5) shuttle between E. 180th Street and Dyre Avenue isn't that bad. It's less than 15 minutes if I recall correctly.

(6)<6> - Lexington Avenue Local

· See my reasoning for not wanting to work the (1) line.

(7)<7> - Flushing Local/Express

· Due to this line's length, expect to be thrown back and forth several times everyday. Unless I'm able to pick a job with satisfactory recovery time in between trips, I wouldn't choose working the (7) if I were able to avoid it.

(S) - 42nd Street Shuttle

· I wouldn't do this to myself if I had a choice. 2 stations. 8 hours. No, thank you.

In addition to these, how do you guys feel about terminal switching jobs? Yard jobs?

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As an employee i can answer easily to the OP..

Take the test go through the process..

Get in Schoolcar PASS schoolcar..

Become extra extra then find out for yourself..

Hope that helps...

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On 6/24/2020 at 3:51 PM, Deucey said:

I'll ask @SevenEleven to decide if it should be moved.

Most of us prob wont answer anyway to someone who do not work down here..

Just my two cents let em take the test get hired and find out like everybody else.

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On ‎6‎/‎24‎/‎2020 at 7:00 PM, AlgorithmOfTruth said:

Here are some of my opinions:

Subdivision A: (1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(S)

(1) - 7th Avenue Local:

· I personally wouldn't want to be stuck working this line during the AM or PM rush; too chaotic.

(2) - 7th Avenue Express:

· Too much cab-time for my liking; especially those overnight trips from Flatbush to Wakefield and vice versa. Also, don't forget those G.O.'s that'll weigh you down even further. To me, it's one of the worst assignments that I can think of.

(3) - 7th Avenue Express:

· A sweet gig to work during the day and overnights isn't too shabby either as it remains an express line and only operates as a shuttle.

(4) - Lexington Avenue Express:

· Working this line during the day might be OK, but Jerome Avenue tends to drag along like the (2) does on Westchester Avenue or White Plains Road. Not only that, but all it takes is something minor to transpire and Jerome Avenue takes the hit. That stint in The Bronx is infamous for that. Just like the (2), an overnight pick on the (4) results in suffering. I view the line as marginally better than the overnight (2), but only because Lexington Avenue saves it some runtime.

(5)<5> - Lexington Avenue Express:

· A pick that includes an express <5> trip is probably one of the best jobs in my opinion. (Not including those trips that terminate at Nereid Avenue.) Midnights, the (5) shuttle between E. 180th Street and Dyre Avenue isn't that bad. It's less than 15 minutes if I recall correctly.

(6)<6> - Lexington Avenue Local

· See my reasoning for not wanting to work the (1) line.

(7)<7> - Flushing Local/Express

· Due to this line's length, expect to be thrown back and forth several times everyday. Unless I'm able to pick a job with satisfactory recovery time in between trips, I wouldn't choose working the (7) if I were able to avoid it.

(S) - 42nd Street Shuttle

· I wouldn't do this to myself if I had a choice. 2 stations. 8 hours. No, thank you.

In addition to these, how do you guys feel about terminal switching jobs? Yard jobs?

Once you have enough seniority to pick a job (no more being assigned a daily job by the crew office) you pick jobs as close to home as possible and with days off that work for you. 

The difficulty of the job is secondary so you can avoid excess travel to/from work.

You guys look at this from a rail fans' perspective, the employee not so much.

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That's a good point.  For example, someone living in Brooklyn and working for the A Division would not want to pick a (2) job, because it's a long trip all the way up to Wakefield 241st Street just to even start work.  I think I'd much rather take a job close to home even if it were less desirable.

From a rail fan perspective, I think working the (A) would be fun, mainly for the scenery crossing Jamaica Bay.  In terms of the difficulty of a job, I think there's a balance for the length of the route.  The (2)(6)(A)(D)(F) are super long, so fewer end changes, but you also don't get a break very often.  On the other hand, the (E)(G)(W) are rather short, and even moreso for the shuttles, so while there's less time actually in the cab, you get to change ends a lot and see the same few stations over and over again.

Another question I had is which lines don't have the crew change at a terminal station?  I know for the (D), the crew change is at Bedford Park Boulevard even though the terminal is Norwood 205th Street.  Any others like that?

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2 hours ago, Collin said:

That's a good point.  For example, someone living in Brooklyn and working for the A Division would not want to pick a (2) job, because it's a long trip all the way up to Wakefield 241st Street just to even start work.  I think I'd much rather take a job close to home even if it were less desirable.

From a rail fan perspective, I think working the (A) would be fun, mainly for the scenery crossing Jamaica Bay.  In terms of the difficulty of a job, I think there's a balance for the length of the route.  The (2)(6)(A)(D)(F) are super long, so fewer end changes, but you also don't get a break very often.  On the other hand, the (E)(G)(W) are rather short, and even moreso for the shuttles, so while there's less time actually in the cab, you get to change ends a lot and see the same few stations over and over again.

Another question I had is which lines don't have the crew change at a terminal station?  I know for the (D), the crew change is at Bedford Park Boulevard even though the terminal is Norwood 205th Street.  Any others like that?

I’m not trying to be ‘that guy’, but I have to agree with @RTOMan here there’s just something’s that you have to experience for yourself. Lines that have longer run times tend to have decent recovery time & more depending on the actual job you’re working and I’ll leave it at that.

When they had the G.O on the (N) line the crew change happened at Kings Highway, but barring any G.O’s the (D) is the only one that does that regularly.

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On 6/24/2020 at 7:00 PM, AlgorithmOfTruth said:

(2) - 7th Avenue Express:

· Too much cab-time for my liking; especially those overnight trips from Flatbush to Wakefield and vice versa. Also, don't forget those G.O.'s that'll weigh you down even further. To me, it's one of the worst assignments that I can think of.

On 6/24/2020 at 7:00 PM, AlgorithmOfTruth said:

(4) - Lexington Avenue Express:

· Working this line during the day might be OK, but Jerome Avenue tends to drag along like the (2) does on Westchester Avenue or White Plains Road. Not only that, but all it takes is something minor to transpire and Jerome Avenue takes the hit. That stint in The Bronx is infamous for that. Just like the (2), an overnight pick on the (4) results in suffering. I view the line as marginally better than the overnight (2), but only because Lexington Avenue saves it some runtime.

The (2)(4)(A)(N) must be brutal at night given the lengths and number of station stops and/or slow curves:

  • (2): 1.83 hours (60 stops)
  • (4): 1.47 hours (46 stops)
  • (A): 1.78 hours (58 stops)
  • (N): 1.48 hours (44 stops)

I took a look at a few other nighttime routes and surprisingly there were some other rivals for duration/number of stops even though they had long express runs. In case of express-to-local service changes, they might actually be the absolute worse trips:

  • (D): 1.63 hours (40 stops)
  • (F): 1.78 hours (54 stops)
On 6/24/2020 at 7:00 PM, AlgorithmOfTruth said:

(3) - 7th Avenue Express:

· A sweet gig to work during the day and overnights isn't too shabby either as it remains an express line and only operates as a shuttle.

On 6/24/2020 at 7:00 PM, AlgorithmOfTruth said:

(5)<5> - Lexington Avenue Express:

· A pick that includes an express <5> trip is probably one of the best jobs in my opinion. (Not including those trips that terminate at Nereid Avenue.) Midnights, the (5) shuttle between E. 180th Street and Dyre Avenue isn't that bad. It's less than 15 minutes if I recall correctly.

The (3)(5)(M)(R)(S) are probably the best if you just want to bounce between terminals quickly and want to avoid getting snagged by delays mid-route. Something about bathroom breaks and such?

  • (3): 0.40 hours (8 stops)
  • (5): 0.20 hours (5 stops)
  • (M): 0.42 hours (12 stops)
  • (R): 0.53 hours (10 stops)
  • (S) (42 Street Shuttle): 0.03 hours (1 stop)
  • (S) (Franklin Avenue Shuttle): 0.12 hours (3 stops)
  • (S) (Rockaway Beach Shuttle): 0.13 hours (4 stops)
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I have come to find that longer routes like the (A) and the (F) are actually not bad at all. Just doing two trips on those lines is better than doing multiple trips on the others especially lines like the (G) and the (L) where they make you do four or five trips and you have only enough time to just walk to the other end and head back to Church or Rockaway Parkway.

 

In the end, it depends on your own preference.

 

As for OT question, I'll echo what others have said where you gotta find out for yourself, but best jobs to do are the ones where you do less work and still get paid just as much as other jobs. 😁

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On 6/29/2020 at 12:51 PM, Bill from Maspeth said:

Once you have enough seniority to pick a job (no more being assigned a daily job by the crew office) you pick jobs as close to home as possible and with days off that work for you. 

The difficulty of the job is secondary so you can avoid excess travel to/from work.

You guys look at this from a rail fans' perspective, the employee not so much.

Folks Opinions who never moved a train down regarding these lines here honestly to me are irrelevant...

Which was my point from the beginning my opinion as well nothing more....

If some folks cant deal with me being real oh well...

 

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3 hours ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

@CenSin The overnight (R) is 17 stops total (16 plus the original terminal)

Hmm… weird. Not sure how I typed a 0 instead of a 6 or 7.

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