Deucey Posted January 16, 2021 Share #51 Posted January 16, 2021 45 minutes ago, underbankbldg said: He did a cabinet stay there, I get the feeling he didn't particularly like it, because if he did, he would have run in 2020 if he did. Cuomo didn’t have the favorable sand national recognition to run in 2020. By the time he got them, the primaries were already going on and Clyburn in SC gave Biden his endorsement. Plus in the debate stage, DeBlasio was "running" so it wouldn't have helped Cuomo's attempt if he were there at the same time showing all the enmity between the two of them... Although now it does make me wonder if Billy Dee running for POTUS was him getting revenge on Cuomo for how many ways Cuomo made him look stupid after the falling out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 16, 2021 Share #52 Posted January 16, 2021 10 hours ago, Deucey said: Cuomo didn’t have the favorable sand national recognition to run in 2020. By the time he got them, the primaries were already going on and Clyburn in SC gave Biden his endorsement. Plus in the debate stage, DeBlasio was "running" so it wouldn't have helped Cuomo's attempt if he were there at the same time showing all the enmity between the two of them... Although now it does make me wonder if Billy Dee running for POTUS was him getting revenge on Cuomo for how many ways Cuomo made him look stupid after the falling out. No, BdB has always had delusional aspirations to higher office. Clinton 2016 wasn't fond of him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted January 18, 2021 Share #53 Posted January 18, 2021 On 1/15/2021 at 3:15 PM, VIP said: This overnight closure should be permanent. And you're going to put the 120ish trains you just took out of service where, exactly? Politics aside, the fact of the matter is that NYCT was not _designed_ to be closed overnight. Doing so would mean an immense number of mainline layups, whose placement would entail significant disruptions to evening service and cost. I actually doubt that an overnight closure would actually net out to less $$$ than running service. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share #54 Posted January 18, 2021 37 minutes ago, RR503 said: And you're going to put the 120ish trains you just took out of service where, exactly? Politics aside, the fact of the matter is that NYCT was not _designed_ to be closed overnight. Doing so would mean an immense number of mainline layups, whose placement would entail significant disruptions to evening service and cost. I actually doubt that an overnight closure would actually net out to less $$$ than running service. Exactly the question I've been wondering. You'd basically be running the equivalent of a Cold Weather Plan V every evening, and I can't even imagine how tedious that would be to restore service each AM, let alone what it would look like staging crews at stations without crew rooms all over the subway. Assuming 1-2 hours' time to lay up and reactivate trains, you'd probably have the whole thing shut for barely 3-4 hours total. Not sure what the point of that would be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted January 19, 2021 Share #55 Posted January 19, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 12:00 AM, RR503 said: And you're going to put the 120ish trains you just took out of service where, exactly? Politics aside, the fact of the matter is that NYCT was not _designed_ to be closed overnight. Doing so would mean an immense number of mainline layups, whose placement would entail significant disruptions to evening service and cost. I actually doubt that an overnight closure would actually net out to less $$$ than running service. On 1/18/2021 at 12:42 AM, MHV9218 said: Exactly the question I've been wondering. You'd basically be running the equivalent of a Cold Weather Plan V every evening, and I can't even imagine how tedious that would be to restore service each AM, let alone what it would look like staging crews at stations without crew rooms all over the subway. Assuming 1-2 hours' time to lay up and reactivate trains, you'd probably have the whole thing shut for barely 3-4 hours total. Not sure what the point of that would be. That's why they are using this system they have in place now... Trains Just run Light yet they can make them run light every 30 or 40 minutes if they so choose, thats a contractual issue though. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted January 19, 2021 Share #56 Posted January 19, 2021 9 hours ago, RTOMan said: That's why they are using this system they have in place now... Trains Just run Light yet they can make them run light every 30 or 40 minutes if they so choose, thats a contractual issue though. Stupid question, but do they also run light on the lines that are normally shuttles overnight (, , to Lefferts) and short turns (, )? Yes, I can definitely see what a logistical nightmare shutting the system down entirely overnight would be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted January 20, 2021 Share #57 Posted January 20, 2021 15 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: Stupid question, but do they also run light on the lines that are normally shuttles overnight (, , to Lefferts) and short turns (, )? Yes, I can definitely see what a logistical nightmare shutting the system down entirely overnight would be. Yes everything runs light.. Employees do take the train to work on the midnights that's why its done.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 21, 2021 Share #58 Posted January 21, 2021 Every single line runs in accordance to the timetables. (They run light) but it STILL runs on SCHEDULE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsunflyguy Posted January 22, 2021 Share #59 Posted January 22, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 12:00 AM, RR503 said: And you're going to put the 120ish trains you just took out of service where, exactly? Politics aside, the fact of the matter is that NYCT was not _designed_ to be closed overnight. Doing so would mean an immense number of mainline layups, whose placement would entail significant disruptions to evening service and cost. I actually doubt that an overnight closure would actually net out to less $$$ than running service. Simply arranging a crew deadhead from Rockaway Ave at say, 2am would ensure a high cost threshold. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewYorkElevated Posted January 27, 2021 Share #60 Posted January 27, 2021 Transit officials admitting for the first time that the current ongoing overnight shutdown did not save the any money whatsoever. https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-covid-mta-overnight-subway-closure-costs-20210126-vkvnyjzwazb5fphby2qvsrpzkm-story.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted January 27, 2021 Share #61 Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, TheNewYorkElevated said: Transit officials admitting for the first time that the current ongoing overnight shutdown did not save the any money whatsoever. https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-covid-mta-overnight-subway-closure-costs-20210126-vkvnyjzwazb5fphby2qvsrpzkm-story.html Transit Officials never claimed the shutdown would save money from the get go. Plus these "state lawmakers" know damn well who they should be asking that question to: CUOMO, who ordered the overnight closure to passengers. All MTA Chairman Foye and NYCT Interim President Sarah Feinberg did was FOLLOW ORDERS. The state lawmakers backed MTA Officials into a corner by asking that question. Plus, even a first grader can figure out the shutdown costs transit more money since buses are being ran which otherwise would not be. Edited January 27, 2021 by Bill from Maspeth 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share #62 Posted January 28, 2021 7 hours ago, Bill from Maspeth said: Plus, even a first grader can figure out the shutdown costs transit more money since buses are being ran which otherwise would not be. Hell, even a state lawmaker should be able to figure that out! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAzumah Posted January 28, 2021 Share #63 Posted January 28, 2021 7 hours ago, MHV9218 said: Hell, even a state lawmaker should be able to figure that out! They do not care. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted January 28, 2021 Share #64 Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, JAzumah said: They do not care. The lawmakers were simply Grandstanding. Edited January 28, 2021 by Bill from Maspeth 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted January 31, 2021 Share #65 Posted January 31, 2021 Which is all they do really; the other day, a relative of mine made an excellent point: "Do you remember the time when government got things done and made everything better for people?" "No." "Exactly, because it never happened, and never will." I guess the moral of the story is the politicians are in it for themselves, and not to help the rest of us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted January 31, 2021 Share #66 Posted January 31, 2021 14 hours ago, R10 2952 said: "Do you remember the time when government got things done and made everything better for people?" FHA Loans Medicare Medicaid COVID Unemployment extensions and supplemental money FDA drug regulation New Starts Transit grants Clean Air Acts Pell Grant To name a few... If they ended up "failing", it's only because ideologues took power and attempted to destroy them because they didn't want these things to become "entitlements" - as former House Speaker Paul Ryan said of healthcare reform. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 31, 2021 Share #67 Posted January 31, 2021 5 hours ago, Deucey said: FHA Loans Medicare Medicaid COVID Unemployment extensions and supplemental money FDA drug regulation New Starts Transit grants Clean Air Acts Pell Grant To name a few... If they ended up "failing", it's only because ideologues took power and attempted to destroy them because they didn't want these things to become "entitlements" - as former House Speaker Paul Ryan said of healthcare reform. I think more specifically, NYS is a lot more rotten. Like even "free college" or "medical marijuana" came with so many caveats that I'm pretty sure no reasonable person would determine those to be actually true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted January 31, 2021 Share #68 Posted January 31, 2021 38 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said: I think more specifically, NYS is a lot more rotten. Like even "free college" or "medical marijuana" came with so many caveats that I'm pretty sure no reasonable person would determine those to be actually true. That's the nature of social conservatism in the US and Anglosphere at large - the assumption that people who use "welfare" are actually stealing and abusing so caveats and excessive eligibility requirements are needed. Meanwhile conservative-demanded bailouts and tax rebates to spur job creation and retention got used to pay shareholders dividends and C-Suite bonuses. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted January 31, 2021 Share #69 Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, bobtehpanda said: I think more specifically, NYS is a lot more rotten. Like even "free college" or "medical marijuana" came with so many caveats that I'm pretty sure no reasonable person would determine those to be actually true. Exactly. Compared to European or even Canadian public policy, the U.S. is a deranged patchwork of loopholes, half-measures, and knee-jerk reactions. Edited January 31, 2021 by R10 2952 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share #70 Posted February 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Deucey said: That's the nature of social conservatism in the US and Anglosphere at large - the assumption that people who use "welfare" are actually stealing and abusing so caveats and excessive eligibility requirements are needed. Meanwhile conservative-demanded bailouts and tax rebates to spur job creation and retention got used to pay shareholders dividends and C-Suite bonuses. Not to mention, a lot of America's in for a rude awakening if they ever realize a 'welfare queen' isn't a black woman in New York, but in truth more like a white woman in Kentucky... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted February 1, 2021 Share #71 Posted February 1, 2021 51 minutes ago, MHV9218 said: Not to mention, a lot of America's in for a rude awakening if they ever realize a 'welfare queen' isn't a black woman in New York, but in truth more like a white woman in Kentucky... As much as that demographic rails against facts - recent events showing that to be the other pandemic, that’ll never happen. ”No True Scotsman” isn’t just a logical fallacy, it’s the source code for the bulk of folks in America that identify as “conservatives” - to the detriment of actual conservatives. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted February 1, 2021 Share #72 Posted February 1, 2021 12 hours ago, MHV9218 said: Not to mention, a lot of America's in for a rude awakening if they ever realize a 'welfare queen' isn't a black woman in New York, but in truth more like a white woman in Kentucky... It’s my opinion that the average American is too ignorant, or caught up in the Dem vs Rep game, to realize that the billion dollar corporation that pays NO taxes , and sometimes gets a federal refund, is the real American welfare queen. Carry on. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted February 1, 2021 Share #73 Posted February 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Trainmaster5 said: It’s my opinion that the average American is too ignorant, or caught up in the Dem vs Rep game, to realize that the billion dollar corporation that pays NO taxes , and sometimes gets a federal refund, is the real American welfare queen. Carry on. Well, according to our own VG8 here, that is completely fine and lovely because they do a lot of "hard work". He's just spent time on another thread telling me that he doesn't vote along party lines. So while an average American may not realize it, the non-average American isn't exactly a shoe in either. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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