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BxM4C Midday Service Elimination & Other Bee-Line Changes Effective September 7th, 2021


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https://transportation.westchestergov.com/images/stories/Schedules/fall21seasonalposter.pdf

The largest changes are on the 5 and 6 buses on Sundays, as they will now operate every 40 minutes combined (every 80 minutes individually) instead of every hour combined. The span on the 6 is more frequent.

Also notable is the BxM4C midday service (or what was left of it) being eliminated. The route will now be a rush-hour only service in the peak direction, with some early evening service. Although it may also be a matter of time before the evening service also gets eliminated. 

 

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42 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

https://transportation.westchestergov.com/images/stories/Schedules/fall21seasonalposter.pdf

The largest changes are on the 5 and 6 buses on Sundays, as they will now operate every 40 minutes combined (every 80 minutes individually) instead of every hour combined. The span on the 6 is more frequent.

Also notable is the BxM4C midday service (or what was left of it) being eliminated. The route will now be a rush-hour only service in the peak direction, with some early evening service. Although it may also be a matter of time before the evening service also gets eliminated. 

 

The fact that Route 28 held on this long at all is amazing, given what some on this forum have been saying about it.

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5 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

https://transportation.westchestergov.com/images/stories/Schedules/fall21seasonalposter.pdf

The largest changes are on the 5 and 6 buses on Sundays, as they will now operate every 40 minutes combined (every 80 minutes individually) instead of every hour combined. The span on the 6 is more frequent.

Also notable is the BxM4C midday service (or what was left of it) being eliminated. The route will now be a rush-hour only service in the peak direction, with some early evening service. Although it may also be a matter of time before the evening service also gets eliminated. 

 

Not surprised, the BxM4c has lost a good chunk of its ridership from COVID, especially with the midday trips.

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On 9/4/2021 at 8:59 AM, Lawrence St said:

Not surprised, the BxM4c has lost a good chunk of its ridership from COVID, especially with the midday trips.

Honestly, it lost a lot of ridership after the last cuts in 2009 or so.  It's basically a shell of what it used to be at this point.

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6 minutes ago, R10 2952 said:

Honestly, it lost a lot of ridership after the last cuts in 2009 or so.  It's basically a shell of what it used to be at this point.

Ehh, I've taken it from Scarsdale to the City and it got filled up during the morning rush. During COVID tho, it was so empty they threw the 30 footers on it.

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4 hours ago, R10 2952 said:

Honestly, it lost a lot of ridership after the last cuts in 2009 or so.  It's basically a shell of what it used to be at this point.

To this day, these are still my sentiments on that route....

They blatantly decimated the casual ridership the thing used to get, which I would argue rivaled, if not dwarfed the dedicated ridership that came from the "regulars" of the route.... It was never going to be a flourishing bus equivalent to the MNRR... You know how with some people, they need to touch an open flame to find out that it's hot? Well here we are with the (transformation of the) BxM4c in that regard....

 

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11 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

To this day, these are still my sentiments on that route....

They blatantly decimated the casual ridership the thing used to get, which I would argue rivaled, if not dwarfed the dedicated ridership that came from the "regulars" of the route.... It was never going to be a flourishing bus equivalent to the MNRR... You know how with some people, they need to touch an open flame to find out that it's hot? Well here we are with the (transformation of the) BxM4c in that regard....

 

Yea, the BxM4C was much more attractive before they started chipping everything away. Started with the cutback from the Transcenter (which I still don't get; the Transcenter is a major hub for Bee-Line. It's like if Delta Airlines has a hub in Atlanta, and not having their flagship flights to LA leave from ATL, they would instead leave from a random place like Savannah), the Doomsday budget cuts that took the Wall Street runs away, then it continued with the $7.50 fare, the chipping away of transfer privileges, and of course the chipping away of midday service.

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On 9/4/2021 at 6:14 AM, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

https://transportation.westchestergov.com/images/stories/Schedules/fall21seasonalposter.pdf

The largest changes are on the 5 and 6 buses on Sundays, as they will now operate every 40 minutes combined (every 80 minutes individually) instead of every hour combined. The span on the 6 is more frequent.

Also notable is the BxM4C midday service (or what was left of it) being eliminated. The route will now be a rush-hour only service in the peak direction, with some early evening service. Although it may also be a matter of time before the evening service also gets eliminated. 

 

I'll eat my hat if the route survives Westchester's bus network redesign in the near future.

That's how confident I am regarding it going the way of the dodo.

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1 hour ago, 67thAve said:

I'll eat my hat if the route survives Westchester's bus network redesign in the near future.

That's how confident I am regarding it going the way of the dodo.

Speaking of Westchester’s bus redesign, I wonder when the will publicize the results. The website said Summer 2021, so maybe the end of this month, since that will be the technical end of summer?

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4 hours ago, paulrivera said:

Yea, the BxM4C was much more attractive before they started chipping everything away. Started with the cutback from the Transcenter (which I still don't get; the Transcenter is a major hub for Bee-Line. It's like if Delta Airlines has a hub in Atlanta, and not having their flagship flights to LA leave from ATL, they would instead leave from a random place like Savannah), the Doomsday budget cuts that took the Wall Street runs away, then it continued with the $7.50 fare, the chipping away of transfer privileges, and of course the chipping away of midday service.

All you have to do is put 2 & 2 together.... It was a sheer catering to the majority of their peak direction regular riders.

Daily commuters weren't the main ones taking BxM4c's from the Transcenter... Commuters seeking Lower Manhattan (on the BxM4c specifically anyway) were in a significant minority - compared to those seeking service no further south than 23rd... The exorbitant fare hike was a passive aggressive measure to thwart casual usage... Peak direction commuter express riders seldom, if ever, xfer to other buses... and Lastly, peak commuters would be working during the midday hrs....

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1 hour ago, paulrivera said:

I wonder how that's working out for them nowadays...

Depends if we're talking about Bee Line themselves, or the selfish ass riders that didn't want casuals on "their" buses....

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2 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

Depends if we're talking about Bee Line themselves, or the selfish ass riders that didn't want casuals on "their" buses....

If I were Liberty Lines, I'd either restore service to the TransCenter with a sensible fare structure or can the route and tell those asshats to get f*cked, as they don't truly care about public transportation. At the very least, doing the latter could allow for resource redistribution, while the former could possibly restore some of its prestige.

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9 hours ago, Lex said:

If I were Liberty Lines, I'd either restore service to the TransCenter with a sensible fare structure or can the route and tell those asshats to get f*cked, as they don't truly care about public transportation. At the very least, doing the latter could allow for resource redistribution, while the former could possibly restore some of its prestige.

Wouldn't this decision rest with WDOT? 

 

Totally agree that the route should end at the Transcenter--I can't imagine a cost or time savings so significant that would justify starting a route 5 minutes away. Seems like a way to persuade riders against the route if you ask me.

 

Always wanted to ask this here, can someone explain how this route directly competes with the Harlem Line? Aside from the prestige and frequency of Metro-North, this argument has always confused me. I know the routing is similar, but unless you're boarding the bus nearby 42nd, this route mostly eliminates the need to transfer to any other mode or route.

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