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NJ Transit NewBus - Burlington/Camden/Gloucester


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On 10/11/2021 at 9:14 PM, DaTransitMan4608 said:

Well idk what's gonna happen with this one, but I am very eager to see what's gonna happen with the 317. I would be very surprised if it doesn't get split in some fashion.

I'd be worried that they'd try to phase it out.... Something like combine it with the #413, to have a Philly - Mt. Holly route (the only thing I see ending at Florence RiverLine station {and not even on a full time basis} is the #409)... At best, I think they'd retain the Lakewood - Asbury portion & renumber it the 8 whatever (ex. 839, 840, etc.).... While I think there is some value in connecting the more eastern part of Central Jersey to Philly, the reality is, there's not enough "there" there....

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10 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

I'd be worried that they'd try to phase it out.... Something like combine it with the #413, to have a Philly - Mt. Holly route (the only thing I see ending at Florence RiverLine station {and not even on a full time basis} is the #409)... At best, I think they'd retain the Lakewood - Asbury portion & renumber it the 8 whatever (ex. 839, 840, etc.).... While I think there is some value in connecting the more eastern part of Central Jersey to Philly, the reality is, there's not enough "there" there....

Not sure if NJT gets 5311 grants for those extra long South Jersey routes such as 317, 315 etc, so it may serve them better not to phase them out and run them as it

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On 10/16/2021 at 2:29 AM, B35 via Church said:

I'd be worried that they'd try to phase it out.... Something like combine it with the #413, to have a Philly - Mt. Holly route (the only thing I see ending at Florence RiverLine station {and not even on a full time basis} is the #409)... At best, I think they'd retain the Lakewood - Asbury portion & renumber it the 8 whatever (ex. 839, 840, etc.).... While I think there is some value in connecting the more eastern part of Central Jersey to Philly, the reality is, there's not enough "there" there....

I think this is the smart idea.  The 317 is way too long.  To be honest for local trips from Camden/Phila- Moorestown/Mt. Holly; I have always seen the 317 as the forgotten route.  For one, it runs every 2 hours and the 413 runs very frequent during the rush hours and basically hourly during off peak times.   The only difference is that the 317 stops at Moorestown Mall now which helps when a 413 is running behind.  Of course, that is also the great alternative since the 413 now serves both Moorestown and Cherry Hill Malls.  I would either scale the 317 back to Lakewood or maybe just combine it with the 413.   On the Ocean/Monmouth County End, an 830s bus can take that route,  I think the 317 connects with the 830 in that area anyway pretty much from Point Pleasant to Asbury Park.

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On 10/6/2021 at 6:27 PM, checkmatechamp13 said:

Similar to Newark. Information available here: https://www.njtransit.com/newbus-bcg

This is going to be very interesting:  I know two routes that definitely need to hit the chopping block: 419 and 451.  Both due to low ridership and I think the 451 is pointless as it runs parallel to PATCO most of the way and the 419 runs parallel to the RiverLine all the way to Riverside.

I am not too sure about the other routes, the 400 and 403 are very long and high performing the entire route.  I am not sure how they can make any improvements with this.

The Mall Routes out of Camden (404, 405, 407, 450, 457)- I think the 457 should be cut in half and only run between Haddonfield and Moorestown Mall.  The 404-405 and 407 are also quite busy but I was wondering if there was some way to combine the 405 and 407 and eliminate that Chapel Avenue service in Cherry Hill.   The 450 is a circular route that is busier on the Camden-Audubon end. But I am guessing enough people still ride it between Cherry Hill and Westmont/Audubon especially since it stops by the Garden State Marketplace on Route 70 and serves the Cherry Hill ACRL stop.  

The 406 is a very busy route as well along Rt 70, I think it should be shared between both Newton Avenue and Washington Twp which will help with the shortage of MCI buses at Washington Twp but also due to the fact that it doesn't really connect with Washington Twp routes outside of Camden. As far as service, maybe scale back some of the rush hour trips to Cherry Hill Industrial Park and Horizon Corporate Center in Mt Laurel.  During the weekday mornings, many buses are back to back. 

Those are my takes so far...it will be interesting how this pans out. 

 

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