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KeystoneRegional

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7LineFan

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They shouldn't tear through Lipman Plaza and the precious escalators and elevators at Main Street. So I say no to the (7)<7> plan.

 

The QBL plan... maybe. Possibly use the bellmouths at the Woodhaven Blvd Station to convert it to an express station and run the line up the Horace Harding.

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I'm anti-light rail in comparison to subway. At least when it's a public project for the MTA. New NTT cars are much quieter for the NIMBYs out there, and there's no need for additional expenditure on different cars, rail and infrastructure. Stick with what's in stock, on hand, and what can be moved in from an existing yard.

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This area is in the middle of NIMBYville. People there are satisfied with the Port Washington branch.

 

There's some good ol' limousine liberalism up there. Do as I say, not as I do. :)

 

At one point there was talk of transferring the Port Washington branch to NYCTA and i'll let you guys guess what the NIMBYs said.

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7LineFan

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Woodhaven already had center posts, it may be remanents of either a two line subway or a proposed express station which was scrapped.

 

Spot on dude.

 

But whoever's right about the NIMBYs. Even though it might benefit a lot of people, they wouldn't want the subway there just because of the stereotypical characteristics of a subway; loud, dirty, noisy, etc.

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Light rail is used just across the hudson in bayonne etc. Would be very simple to contract the job out just like (NJT) does! I believe the RiverLINE project would serve as a better example of turnkey plan, but you get the general idea. After riding HBLR many times i can say that NYC needs light rail pretty bad in some spots, as do places farther east on long island. Plus you're forgetting that (MTA) operates a huge variety of rail vehicles, not just subway! You got MNRR and LIRR that operate diesel & electric of varying ages & designs. As for noise, there really isn't any. When we go into subway to get food at exchange place or such about 15 feet from the tracks at the station there we can't hear it at all. Its quieter than a bus, that's for sure!!!

 

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7LineFan

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And yeah, new york should build some light rails... Subways are too old and tired, Light Rails have clean nice big station, and another thing is that the Light Rail doesn't have 3rd rail and can travel anywhere that have the wire-based electricity thingy... They also can provide better scenic routes too...

 

How about the (10), (11), (12), (13) and (14) provide Light Rail service? :)!

 

Scenic routes? In this city? Pfft.

 

Besides, it involves clearing an ROW, which I don't think there's much space for in the city. Subways are better.

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We already had a form of light rail. They were these things that were called "trolleys" :) The whole point of any transportation in NYC is to move people quickly not for scenic routes. Hence the term rapid transit B)

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Radioguy

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Light rail is used just across the hudson in bayonne etc. Would be very simple to contract the job out just like (NJT) does! I believe the RiverLINE project would serve as a better example of turnkey plan, but you get the general idea. After riding HBLR many times i can say that NYC needs light rail pretty bad in some spots, as do places farther east on long island. Plus you're forgetting that (MTA) operates a huge variety of rail vehicles, not just subway! You got MNRR and LIRR that operate diesel & electric of varying ages & designs. As for noise, there really isn't any. When we go into subway to get food at exchange place or such about 15 feet from the tracks at the station there we can't hear it at all. Its quieter than a bus, that's for sure!!!

 

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The NTT cars are pretty quiet too. An R160 could even sneak up on you. :) Take into account that we have them, and that new contracts will likely be for even quieter running cars, and the argument for light rail on noise is undermined. Add new cars that have to be designed and ordered, and different trackage, and you have a dealkiller compared to extending subway line instead.

 

And yeah, new york should build some light rails... Subways are too old and tired, Light Rails have clean nice big station, and another thing is that the Light Rail doesn't have 3rd rail and can travel anywhere that have the wire-based electricity thingy... They also can provide better scenic routes too...

 

While I like light rail in certain instances, like the suburbs, having pantograph wires anywhere in the city is impossible and dangerous in this day. Virtually all five boroughs have have buildings, residential and otherwise, that would overlook such wires, and all you need is one kid...

 

Oddly enough, third rails, especially since they are used on lines that are protected from pedestrians, are safer on the ground. Light rail tends to run further from pedestrian traffic and structures in suburbs (short of stations) and that's why it works there. In New York City, over and over the subway is the safest way to go.

 

Besides, it involves clearing an ROW, which I don't think there's much space for in the city. Subways are better.

 

Yup. Underground, a line can be run to and through the neighborhoods in question. There would be far less incidents and accidents underground.

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Y2Julio

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Light rails would work in areas where it's impossible to build subways due to political or logistical reasons. I can imagine a light rail running along Hyland Blvd on Staten Island.

 

That would be good. Now the NYC DOE could send suspended kids to Mount Loreto and I wouldn't have to hear parents complaining about getting their kids there from Brooklyn.

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Well, yeah... Light rails just involves some roadwork, two pairs of mile+ long tracks, rewiring and some reliable vehicles. That is all, :)!

 

For clarity put some designated stations and/or signs...

 

That's really underestimating the amount of work needed...

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Far Rock Depot

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the idea of transit other than buses in that region is grreat! I have family in bayside and getting to them is a hassel. they also lived in Whitestone. So i hope that may give some credibility on traveling in that area.

 

I do believe that there were plans to extend the 7. but around that same time they first planned the Second Ave subway. How long did it take for the latter and its the more needed line.

 

IMO, the ide for a form of Light Rail for northeast Queens is the most logical. Its quiet and can be designed and operated with a low profile with a couple of "New York City" adjustments.

 

HBLR is a good example to start with. ive been on this a lot. its quick, quiet, andwhen running on streets kinda flows in with traffic as long as drivers know they'd rther collide with a bus.

Boston and Philly are 2 other good exampes. Phily's system even with major cuts over the decades still had a good sized "streetcar" system that has survived the decades. and unlike the HBLR, its not that easy to beat the fare. A POP (Proof Of Payment) system of pre-purchasing your fare nd boarding, while retaining a receipt which honestly may or may not be inspected will cost NYC. Too many people. +SBS on the Bx12 im sure sees a lot of fare beaters. I was raised in the Bronx. I know how crowdd the route gets. Septa runs PCCII and K-Cars based on the old PCCs. They have fareboxes. "Go back to the 50's with streetcars?! Its the 21st century!"

Boston's Type-8 cars are Apporximatly 90' long Artics with low floor sections and entrance/exit doors. Like the HBLR and have front fareboxes like SEPTA's. the only "Station" with a form of POP could only be at Main/Roosevelt Sts or a few blocks away. so I say.....

 

biuld a light rail! have a terminal in downtown Flushing. and all that will need to be built is the track, overhead wires, and few concret bays similar to the ones along Westchester Ave in the Bx and Girard Ave in Philly. Fare boxes on board for outside flushing running a mix of 50' cars and Artics depending on service requirements on certain routes. Low cost construction and impact compared to a subway with more flexability. Lower cost Operation and maitanence, quiet and can blend into the neighborhoods if designed correctly.

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w8Hou

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Well, yeah... 4th Street could also use it since it looks fine with a light rail...

If 42nd Street used a light rail. I'd be happy, since it reminds me of three streets in China, but at the convieniecne of my home, ;)...

 

Light rail does not work at Manhattan at all. Too much traffic for real estate space to support light rail in Manhattan.

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