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Joseph Lee

Status of R-32 subway cars as of January 3, 2009

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Paulsboro, NJ 08066

 

Hi Mr. Kris Datta and all contributors of nyctransitforums.com

 

I hope you all have a happy and healthy new year in 2009.

 

My update for the R-32 fleet for you are as follows;

 

The only 288 R-32 Phase I’s in service at Jamaica as follows;

3354 thru 3361, 3370/1, 3374 thru 3377, 3380/1, 3384/5, 3388/9, 3394 thru 3397, 3400/1, 3404 thru 3407, 3410 thru 3417, 3424 thru 3443, 3446 thru 3449, 3452 thru 3455, 3460/1, 3464/5, 3468/3445, 3472/3, 3476/7, 3484/5, 3488/9, 3492 thru 3497, 3500/1, 3504/5, 3510 thru 3515, 3518/9, 3520/3891, 3522/3, 3538/9, 3548/3593, 3550 thru 3553, 3574/5, 3578/9, 3586/7, 3590/1, 3592/3469, 3606/7, 3610/1, 3614/5, 3618/9, 3624/5, 3628/3669, 3630/1, 3634/5, 3642/3, 3644/3621, 3646/7, 3650/3767, 3654/5, 3658/3471, 3660 thru 3665, 3670 thru 3673, 3676/7, 3682/3, 3688 thru 3691, 3694/5, 3698/9, 3704 thru 3709, 3714 thru 3721, 3726 thru 3733, 3736 thru 3739, 3740/3419, 3742/3, 3746/7, 3750/1, 3756/7, 3770 thru 3775, 3778 thru 3787, 3792 thru 3799, 3804 thru 3807, 3810/1, 3818 thru 3823, 3828/9, 3834 thru 3837, 3840/1, 3856/7, 3864/5, 3868 thru 3873, 3876 thru 3879, 3886 thru 3889, 3890/3383, 3894 thru 3897, 3900/1, 3912/3, 3922 thru 3925, 3928/9, 3932/3 & 3938/9. Retirement has commenced, and at least 128 cars have been retransferred back to Pitkin/207 St Yards for (C) service, due to complaints from passengers about the R-40 & R-42 cars.

 

All remaining R-42's assigned to Pitkin/207 St Yards as follows;

4550 thru 4559, 4580 thru 4605, 4764/5, 4768 thru 4785 have been reassigned to Jamaica Yard for (E) and (F) service

along with some R-40 slants & R-40M cars in exchange for the Phase 1 R-32 cars.

 

R-32 Phase I cars 3444/3777 (mis-married pair) has been retired as of November 16, 2008, & 3792 has a very badly cracked header frame or beam.

 

Please update your Datasheet accordingly, and also cross out all Phase 2 R-32 cars that have all been retired as of 10/12/08.

 

Also R-32 Phase 1 car # 3359 is currently in service, please correct same.

 

This is a listing of all 295 retired Phase 2 R-32 cars for your information, also for you to update your Datasheet.

 

The following Entire R-32 Phase II’s have been retired as of October 12, 2008 are as follows;

3348 (ex3659)/3549, 3350/1, 3352/3 (currently @ NYC Transit Museum), 3362 thru 3369, 3372/3, 3378/9, 3382/3831, 3386/7, 3390 thru 3393, 3398/9, 3402/3, 3408/9, 3418/3863, 3420/3645, 3422/3, 3450/1, 3456 thru 3459, 3462/3, 3466/7,

3470/3919, 3474/5, 3478 thru 3483, 3486/7, 3490/1, 3498/9, 3502/3905, 3506 thru 3509, 3516/7, 3524 thru 3529,

3530/3741, 3532 thru 3537, 3540 thru 3547, 3554 thru 3557, 3558/3421, 3560 thru 3573, 3576/7, 3580 thru 3585, 3588/9,

3596 thru 3599, 3600/3503, 3602 thru 3605, 3608/9, 3612/3, 3620 (this car was out of service since 1992 due to bent

carbody and frames, originally mis-married to 3549), 3622/3, 3626/7, 3632/3, 3636 thru 3641, 3648/9, 3652/3, 3656/7,

3666/7, 3674/5, 3678 thru 3681, 3684 thru 3687, 3692/3, 3696/7, 3700 thru 3703, 3710 thru 3713, 3722 thru 3725, 3734/5,

3744/5, 3748/9, 3752 thru 3755, 3758 thru 3765, 3768/9, 3776/3617, 3788 thru 3791, 3800 thru 3803, 3808/9, 3812 thru

3817, 3824 thru 3827, 3830/3531, 3832/3, 3838/9, 3842 thru 3855, 3858 thru 3861, 3862/3521, 3866/7, 3874/5, 3882 thru

3885, 3898/9, 3902/3, 3904/3559, 3906 thru 3911, 3914 thru 3917, 3918/3601, 3920/1, 3926/7, 3930/1 & 3940 thru 3949.

 

The following is a recap of the ten GE (Buffalo Transit) rebuilds that were retired in February 2008;

3594/5, 3880/1, 3892/3, 3934 thru 3937.

 

I will post more updates when I return from Monterey Park, Ca. and return to work at SEPTA on February 2, 2009.

 

I will be going over there on January 24, 2009 for the celebration of the Chinese New Year - 4707, The year of the Ox.

 

So keep up the good work guys.:P

 

Sincerely yours,

 

Mr. Joseph and Mrs Linda Lee

(Mr. R-32 Brightliners Designed and built by the BUDD Company)

formerly of Morrison Knudsen Co. Inc. in Hornell NY, and now with SEPTA in

Philly (2008 World Series Champions :D)

 

 

jlee39@verizon.net

Edited by Joseph Lee
minor revision

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R32 3444/3777 is still in active service, I saw that pair last week and 3792/93 are still in good shape.

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I don't see any R40 slants going to Jamiaca Yard so no R40 slants on (E)(F) or (R). R42 cand R40M's are coming in bunches for the (E) and more frequent on the (R). As for the R32's they're back on the (A)(C) and still around on the (E)(F), but I haven't see one on (R)

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I don't see any R40 slants going to Jamiaca Yard so no R40 slants on (E)(F) or (R). R42 cand R40M's are coming in bunches for the (E) and more frequent on the (R). As for the R32's they're back on the (A)(C) and still around on the (E)(F), but I haven't see one on (R)

 

R40 slants are not going to Jamaica because they are set to retire in April - May 2009. The (A) does not have R32s yet, though it might when the R40s retire.

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R40 slants are not going to Jamaica because they are set to retire in April - May 2009. The (A) does not have R32s yet, though it might when the R40s retire.

 

The if the (C) is out this weekend The (A) will have an R32 set, Last saturday The (A) had an R32 set.

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The if the (C) is out this weekend The (A) will have an R32 set, Last saturday The (A) had an R32 set.

 

that is a relief for A riders. right now, it consists of nothing but those ugly R44s and the not-much-better R40 slants.

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that is a relief for A riders. right now, it consists of nothing but those ugly R44s and the not-much-better R40 slants.

 

Most (A) line riders like the 44's, they ride really smooth, quiet and have a good HAVC. You must be smoking something if you think (A) line riders perfer 32's over the 44's LOL.

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R40 slants are not going to Jamaica because they are set to retire in April - May 2009. The (A) does not have R32s yet, though it might when the R40s retire.

 

Why would it go to Jamaica Yard? It's nearly retiring. And there is no point to send them up there. Because the R32s that Jamaica Yard is sending out are going to retire after the slants (ideally), what would it replace?

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Most (A) line riders like the 44's, they ride really smooth, quiet and have a good HAVC. You must be smoking something if you think (A) line riders perfer 32's over the 44's LOL.

 

Well, i prefer R32 over R44 anyday. In fact, I have been avoiding the (A) ever since the R32s were removed from that line last August. Only recently when it started using R38s and R40 slants did I return to that line. I have been forgoing the (A) for the (C) now that it uses R32s.

 

Why would it go to Jamaica Yard? It's nearly retiring. And there is no point to send them up there. Because the R32s that Jamaica Yard is sending out are going to retire after the slants (ideally), what would it replace?

 

the R32s are replacing the R40 slants and R38s. it will be replaced by the R40M/42s in August. The R46s and maybe R68s will replace the R40M/42s by this time next year.

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the R32s are replacing the R40 slants and R38s. it will be replaced by the R40M/42s in August. The R46s and maybe R68s will replace the R40M/42s by this time next year.

 

Well yeah, we all know that the R32s going to Pitkin Yard are going to oust the R38s and after than the slants. It will make no sense for the slants to go to Jamaica to swap for R32s at Jamaica because the R32s will retire the slants. And yes, the Mods and R42s will retire the remaining R32s.

After that, I cannot be too sure about what will happen next. I really do not want to jump the gun here.

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Well yeah, we all know that the R32s going to Pitkin Yard are going to oust the R38s and after than the slants. It will make no sense for the slants to go to Jamaica to swap for R32s at Jamaica because the R32s will retire the slants. And yes, the Mods and R42s will retire the remaining R32s.

After that, I cannot be too sure about what will happen next. I really do not want to jump the gun here.

 

what i do is that by this time next year, all R32s-R42s will be gone, just not sure what cars will be running on the (A)(C)(E)(F)(R).

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what i do is that by this time next year, all R32s-R42s will be gone, just not sure what cars will be running on the (A)(C)(E)(F)(R).

 

Well yeah, it is probably certain that the SMEEs would be off, but that does not mean we should waste our day talking about what will run on the A/C now, because it's too early. Things are getting very erratic with the car assignments.

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Well, i prefer R32 over R44 anyday. In fact, I have been avoiding the (A) ever since the R32s were removed from that line last August. Only recently when it started using R38s and R40 slants did I return to that line. I have been forgoing the (A) for the (C) now that it uses R32s.

Do you honestly hate the R44 that much? Do you hate the R46 this much?

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Well, i prefer R32 over R44 anyday. In fact, I have been avoiding the (A) ever since the R32s were removed from that line last August. Only recently when it started using R38s and R40 slants did I return to that line. I have been forgoing the (A) for the (C) now that it uses R32s.

Do you honestly hate the R44 that much? Do you hate the R46 this much?

Instead of ranting about how aesthetically unattractive the R44s quote: "ugly soda cans", he should give us 10 good and convincing reasons why he hates them. I would no buy statements such as "there is no railfan window", no I don't buy that. I'm not a fan of those cars, but at the same time despising cars for no reasons or for lame reasons is for me, unacceptable.

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Instead of ranting about how aesthetically unattractive the R44s quote: "ugly soda cans", he should give us 10 good and convincing reasons why he hates them. I would no buy statements such as "there is no railfan window", no I don't buy that. I'm not a fan of those cars, but at the same time despising cars for no reasons or for lame reasons is for me, unacceptable.

 

10: lack of side windows

9: horrible interior

8: bad air-conditioning

7: poor lighting

6: too much air in the brakes

5: too many technical problems with the side signs

4: tiny motorman cab

3: rusted carbon steel body

2: slow as hell, probably bad acceleration

1: they are downright ugly inside and out

 

here, 10 good reasons why i hate the R44s. the R46s are much better than them because they have a better looking interior and are not as rusted on the exterior.

 

i can also give a few reasons why i hate the R42s

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10: lack of side windows

9: horrible interior

8: bad air-conditioning

7: poor lighting

6: too much air in the brakes

5: too many technical problems with the side signs

4: tiny motorman cab

3: rusted carbon steel body

2: slow as hell, probably bad acceleration

1: they are downright ugly inside and out

 

here, 10 good reasons why i hate the R44s. the R46s are much better than them because they have a better looking interior and are not as rusted on the exterior.

 

i can also give a few reasons why i hate the R42s

 

 

Ugly in and out is your opinion. I find the interior of the 44/46 to be the most attractive of all MTA subways. Also, the R46 and R44 interiors are very similar, really no significant difference. All the digital signs have problems, including the R160, and it really isn't the fault of the R44 car. The acceleration is again perception because the R44 is smoother than the older 60 footers. I don't know what you mean by lack of side windows.

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Ugly in and out is your opinion. I find the interior of the 44/46 to be the most attractive of all MTA subways. Also, the R46 and R44 interiors are very similar, really no significant difference. All the digital signs have problems, including the R160, and it really isn't the fault of the R44 car. The acceleration is again perception because the R44 is smoother than the older 60 footers. I don't know what you mean by lack of side windows.

 

they area few differences between an R44 and R46 and those differences make the R46s much better than the R44s. i also cannot stand all the mechanical problems it frequently suffers. there is no tiny end side window on the R44/46 like those on the R62/62A and R68/68A.

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they area few differences between an R44 and R46 and those differences make the R46s much better than the R44s. i also cannot stand all the mechanical problems it frequently suffers. there is no tiny end side window on the R44/46 like those on the R62/62A and R68/68A.

 

It can't be as bad as the mechanical problems on the R32. I mean because of R32s, I missed 17 Midtown Direct trains at Penn Station over the last 10 years from faulty components. If you're not a regular A rider, you won't understand the R44s as much as I do. AND THEY ARE NOT SLOW ESP. ON THE FULTON AND CENTRAL PARK EXPRESSES.

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10: lack of side windows

9: horrible interior

8: bad air-conditioning

7: poor lighting

6: too much air in the brakes

5: too many technical problems with the side signs

4: tiny motorman cab

3: rusted carbon steel body

2: slow as hell, probably bad acceleration

1: they are downright ugly inside and out

 

here, 10 good reasons why i hate the R44s. the R46s are much better than them because they have a better looking interior and are not as rusted on the exterior.

 

i can also give a few reasons why i hate the R42s

 

10)Can you please elberate on that one?

 

9)I think the interior is quite nice on the 44's IMO, love that little side window its easy to fall alseep on it.

 

8)No comment...

 

7)Yea, but thats what makes them nice and comforble trains. Im sure most people refer the lighting of the R44's over the bright ass tech train lighting.

 

6)Doesn't make any sense.

 

5)46's and 142-160 have those side sign problems as well...

 

4)Agreed.

 

3)Agreed.

 

4)The 44's are not slow, those trains can move there faster than the 60 FT SMEE's

 

1)I disagree, I think they look fine. And it doesn't make any sense that you like the R46 and hate the R44 since they look slimar.

 

AND THEY ARE NOT SLOW ESP. ON THE FULTON AND CENTRAL PARK EXPRESSES.

I agree!! :tup::tup:

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i am a regular (A) rider, but i always avoided the R44s, waiting for an R32/R38. i guess i will never know why you guys love those ugly soda cans, just like how you will never know why i hate them so much and why i love the sleek and shiny R32s. this conversation is over.

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i am a regular (A) rider, but i always avoided the R44s, waiting for an R32/R38. i guess i will never know why you guys love those ugly soda cans, just like how you will never know why i hate them so much and why i love the sleek and shiny R32s. this conversation is over.

 

agreed:tup:

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