Amtrak7 Posted January 7, 2009 Share #1 Posted January 7, 2009 Without checking car numbers against a chart (or looking at which yards are from) , how do you tell these cars apart? R160A-2/R160B R40M/R42/R68/R68A R62/R62A R32/R38 R142/R142A R143/R160A-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted January 8, 2009 Share #2 Posted January 8, 2009 I belivie it has to do with numbers being Even and odd? Rly hard to hard to tell unless u are a T/A worker like dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastman346 Posted January 8, 2009 Share #3 Posted January 8, 2009 The hardcore enthuisists can tell them apart. I can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted January 8, 2009 Share #4 Posted January 8, 2009 Without checking car numbers against a chart (or looking at which yards are from) , how do you tell these cars apart? R160A-2/R160B R40M/R42/R68/R68A R62/R62A R32/R38 R142/R142A R143/R160A-1 R32/R38-Sides (R32s corrugate all the way, while R38s corrugate half way like other St Louis built cars except the R44s), Front (R38s are more attractive with an old nyc subway logo), and Propulsion Systems(Both have GE, but all R32s have a more of a Westinghouse tone like the R44s. R38s have more of an actual GE sound like the R46s) R40M/R42-Corrugated Sides(R42s have thicker corrugates, while R40Ms have thinner ones like the Slants), and Propulsion Systems( Both have GE, but R42s have more of a Westinghouse tone to it.) R62/R62A-Propulsion Systems(R62s have GE like R46s, while R62As have Westinghouse/Adtranz like R68/As) R68/R68A-Storm Doors Exteriors(R68s have red stickers, while R68As do not), and Propulsion Systems(Both Westinghouse/Adtranz, but R68As are much quieter and the sound is not noticeable if you sit on the correct end) R142/R142A-Cabs(R142s are two pieces, while R142As are one piece), and Propulsion Systems (R142 with Alstom ONIX "violin" like R160As, while R142As have Adtranz/Bombardier "IIIEEEEEE" like R143s). R143/R160A-1s-Cab ends(R143s have US flag below MTA logo, while R160A-1s have flags above the MTA logo), Doors(R160A-1 doors open with a "whirl" sound, while R143 doors open silently) and Propulsion Systems(R143s have Adtranz/Bombardier "IIEEEEEE," while R160A-1s have Alstom ONIX "violin" like other R160As and R142s) R160A-2s/R160Bs-Doors(R160A-2 doors open witha "whirl" sound, while R160B doors open silently), and Propulsion Systems(R160A-2s and some R160Bs have Alstom ONIX "violin", while most R160Bs have Siemens "Shanghai Metro Line 2 propulsion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted January 8, 2009 Share #5 Posted January 8, 2009 R32/R38-Sides (R32s corrugate all the way, while R38s corrugate half way like other St Louis built cars except the R44s), Front (R38s are more attractive with an old nyc subway logo), and Propulsion Systems(Both have GE, but all R32s have a more of a Westinghouse tone like the R44s. R38s have more of an actual GE sound like the R46s) R40M/R42-Corrugated Sides(R42s have thicker corrugates, while R40Ms have thinner ones like the Slants), and Propulsion Systems( Both have GE, but R42s have more of a Westinghouse tone to it.) R62/R62A-Propulsion Systems(R62s have GE like R46s, while R62As have Westinghouse/Adtranz like R68/As) R68/R68A-Storm Doors Exteriors(R68s have red stickers, while R68As do not), and Propulsion Systems(Both Westinghouse/Adtranz, but R68As are much quieter and the sound is not noticeable if you sit on the correct end) R142/R142A-Cabs(R142s are two pieces, while R142As are one piece), and Propulsion Systems (R142 with Alstom ONIX "violin" like R160As, while R142As have Adtranz/Bombardier "IIIEEEEEE" like R143s). R143/R160A-1s-Cab ends(R143s have US flag below MTA logo, while R160A-1s have flags above the MTA logo), Doors(R160A-1 doors open with a "whirl" sound, while R143 doors open silently) and Propulsion Systems(R143s have Adtranz/Bombardier "IIEEEEEE," while R160A-1s have Alstom ONIX "violin" like other R160As and R142s) R160A-2s/R160Bs-Doors(R160A-2 doors open witha "whirl" sound, while R160B doors open silently), and Propulsion Systems(R160A-2s and some R160Bs have Alstom ONIX "violin", while most R160Bs have Siemens "Shanghai Metro Line 2 propulsion) For the R142s, you have the super loud HVAC The lights indicators that the doors are open inside the car are located on the side on the R142A, it is above the door, hanging under on the R142 and IIRC, the panels next to the doors on the R142 are considerably wider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted January 8, 2009 Share #6 Posted January 8, 2009 sure...why not, I've got a little free time so here goes. I'm not going to play the sound effects game or the mechanical game for this (since its difficult for buffs to see that stuff), I'll try to stick to stuff that you can see...there are more but if you get these down you will never go wrong: R32: Flipdot signs in the front and rear of the train. Corrugations (metal ridges) run the full height of the side of the subway car. R38: Flipdot signs in the front and rear of the train. Corrugations (metal ridges) run half the height of the side of the subway car. Additionally, across from the operating cab, where the "rollsign" would be on a newer train, there is a seal. ==================================== R40 modifieds: Interior of Side rollsign contains small cutouts for the route and terminals. Non operating (conductor's) cabs do not contain forward/rear facing windows, only a window on the platform...in other words a conductor can not look forward into the next car of the train - these are "Blind" ends. Car has corrugations running about a third of the height of the subway car. These corrugations are small and spaced closely together, like those you'd see on an R40 slant. Door pocket "Ad panels" are painted tan. R40 slants should be pretty easy to spot...they have all of the same features as the modifieds except the operating ends are slanted... R42: Interior of Side rollsign contains one large space for the route and terminals, a square shape. Non operating (conductor's) cabs do not contain forward/rear facing windows, only a window on the platform...in other words a conductor can not look forward into the next car of the train - these are "Blind" ends. Car has corrugations running about a third of the height of the subway car. These corrugations are wider and spaced further apart than on an R40M. Door pocket "ad panels" are stainless steel. =============== R68/R68A: Honestly the best way to tell these cars apart is simply the car numbers. If it begins with 2xxx, R68. If it begins with 5xxx, R68A. Another way is if the Cab door "swings" open, R68. If it "slides" open, R68A. Thirdly, look under the side rollsign. If you just see continuous window glass...it's an R68A. However if you see a metal strip separating the rollsign from the rest of the window, R68. =============== R62/R62A are very similar in appearance and most of the differences are mechanical (GE propulsion on the R62 vs Westinghouse R62A and WABCO braking system R62 vs Newtran R62A). However when in doubt you can look at the builder's plates (R62 Kawasaki, R62A Bombardier), but if that sounds like a cop out there are always the door sills. R62 door sill is grainy and dark. R62A door sill is patterned (diamonds pattern) and lighter. =============== R142: Car's trucks have a very distinctive design. Large airbag visible in the center of the truck is a dead giveaway (only NYCT car type that has ever used this truck design) as is all the "stuff painted red" above the 3rd rail contact shoe. Cab design is two piece construction (look for a seam underneath the end bonnet, right below the LED at the front and rear of the train). Side LCD displays go blank between phases of the program: 6 Lexinginton Avenue Lcl | Blank | Pelham Lcl and so on... R142A: Car's trucks have a much more muted design...much darker and less noticeable. Car's cab design in one piece construction (no seam under the end bonnet) and cab windows are a slightly different shape. Side LCD displays transition smoothly between phases of the program: 6 Lexington Avenue Lcl | Pelham Lcl and so on... ============ R143: Side display signs contain an interior display as well (only New Tech train that has this). On the front of the car, the flag is located below the MTA logo. End doors between cars are a single door. 4 car sets. All R160s: Side display signs do not contain an interior display. Interior ceiling ad panels in each car contain FIND. On the front of the car, the flag is located above the MTA logo. End doors between cars are double doors. The four car sets are all R160A-1's, the 5 car sets are all R160A-2's or R160B's. There is really no easy way (aside from builder plates - Kawasaki R160B, Alstom R160A) to tell apart R160A-2's or R160B's at least for the casual observer, but at that level of detail it's probably not too important anyway. hope that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted January 9, 2009 This is what I get as of now- R143-Only B-div NTT with strip maps R142-Air bag trucks R142A- Regular trucks R40M/R42- Ribbing However- R46 from R44 from R68? I know that an R44 is 75 ft. and has no RFW. How many doors does a 75 ft. car have vs. 60 ft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted January 9, 2009 Share #8 Posted January 9, 2009 the difference between R44/R46 and R68 is on the inside. R68 has the nice shiny walls inside, R46 has the ugly puke-color walls also R68's dont have that wooden thing between the sideways chairs and the doors R68's have roll signs, R46 has the digital signs. the difference between the R44 and the R46 is the sounds. R44 sounds like a R68 R46 sounds like a well R46 lol also R44's have the glass on the thing between the sideways chairs and the doors, R46's do not 75 ft cars have 4 doors on each side just like the 60 ft cars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted January 9, 2009 Share #9 Posted January 9, 2009 R46s accelerate like most R38s, all R40/Ms, and R62s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted January 9, 2009 Share #10 Posted January 9, 2009 This is what I get as of now- R143-Only B-div NTT with strip maps R142-Air bag trucks R142A- Regular trucks R40M/R42- Ribbing However- R46 from R44 from R68? I know that an R44 is 75 ft. and has no RFW. How many doors does a 75 ft. car have vs. 60 ft? All current 75 feet cars have 4 doors, same as the 60 footers. R44: digital LCD side signs, glass windshields beside all the car doors, very narrow cab door, armrest on the transverse seats has a "top" making it slightly more difficult to use comfortably R46: digital LCD side signs, no glass windshields beside all the car doors, wider cab door, armrest on the transverse seats does not have a top...you just rest your arm R68/R68A: rollsigns on the side of the train, darker steel color used than on R44/R46, no glass windshields, similar armrest to an R46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted January 9, 2009 Share #11 Posted January 9, 2009 Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 3.4; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) Purpulsion is more notable on the R68 as opposed to the R68A. Also, the rollsign is lower on the R68 which gives the end of a train a kind of "eyebrow" look. R68s have rollsigns that are higher and look flat faced. The R143 is the only B-div train that has the same purpulsion and door motor sounds as the R142A. The 160s have different door motors. 160As have one that sounds similar to a m7 opening up, and is much quieter when it closes. The 160Bs has a more notable opening/closing sound. Other than that, r160As have strictly Alstom purpulsion, and the r160Bs can have either Alstom or Siemens. R40S make more noise than the purpulsion itself. (You can tell a r40S is in an underground tunnel by this.) Other than that, the rollsign deisgn is rounded, and slanted #1 car ends. R40Ms have straight ends and share the other properties of the slants. (Minus the slanted ends) R42s just has that different look than the r40M. The corrugations are wider, and the rollsign design is boxed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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