MTR Admiralty Posted January 18, 2009 Share #26 Posted January 18, 2009 so felllas with all the rhetoric aside... can we get a straight answer on where the pictures are from please? Lets bring out the point im am very curious to know where that it. It reminds me of the original BMT 59th St. station. Its in a basement in Bloomingdales and one can see that the line was supposed to ramp up the 59th street bridge to queens. i hope to put those pics up soon... There is a page on that on Joe Brennan's site of Abandoned Stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted January 19, 2009 Share #27 Posted January 19, 2009 Keep in mind that Canal St. once had a canal on it, hence it's name. The canal is now filled in, but the water table is low, so I doubt a subway under its whole length is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted January 19, 2009 Share #28 Posted January 19, 2009 Keep in mind that Canal St. once had a canal on it, hence it's name. The canal is now filled in, but the water table is low, so I doubt a subway under its whole length is possible. That is true. But keep in mind, the Newark Subway was built in the former Morris Canal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlmerPark B6 Posted January 19, 2009 Share #29 Posted January 19, 2009 Canal St. was a canal near Collect Pond, which was from Broadway & Canal St. to City Hall. Collect Pond and the canal was filled in because of diseases. Canal St. was to drain the contaminated water out: "Canal Street takes its name from an actual canal that was dug in the early 1800s to drain the contaminated and disease-ridden Collect Pond into the Hudson River. The pond was filled in 1811, and Canal Street was completed in 1820 following the angled path the canal had. The elimination of Collect Pond actually made the surrounding land even marshier, as the area had many natural springs that now had nowhere to drain. The historic townhouses and newer tenements that had been built along Canal Street quickly fell into disrepair, and the eastern stretch of Canal Street came within the ambit of the notorious Five Points slum as property values and living conditions plummeted." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted January 19, 2009 Share #30 Posted January 19, 2009 Canal St. was a canal near Collect Pond, which was from Broadway & Canal St. to City Hall. Collect Pond and the canal was filled in because of diseases.Canal St. was to drain the contaminated water out: "Canal Street takes its name from an actual canal that was dug in the early 1800s to drain the contaminated and disease-ridden Collect Pond into the Hudson River. The pond was filled in 1811, and Canal Street was completed in 1820 following the angled path the canal had. The elimination of Collect Pond actually made the surrounding land even marshier, as the area had many natural springs that now had nowhere to drain. The historic townhouses and newer tenements that had been built along Canal Street quickly fell into disrepair, and the eastern stretch of Canal Street came within the ambit of the notorious Five Points slum as property values and living conditions plummeted." Wow, the Skid Row of Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted January 21, 2009 Share #31 Posted January 21, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted January 21, 2009 Share #32 Posted January 21, 2009 Canal Street has a Canal and Wall Street had a Wall in the early years of America getting into shape... Yes. Wall Street was named after a wall to fend off Indians in the early colonial period. But let's stay on the subject of the never built Crosstown line. Anyway, who would it benefit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbirdbassist Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share #33 Posted January 21, 2009 An alternative way for people in upper Tribeca/lower west village to travel to Brooklyn Heights? My guess is that the line wasn't just going to end on the west side, it would either head north or south, more likely north. Perhaps via the WSH or Hudson St then the WSH. A WSH subway would be nice now and in the future since the areas beyond 9th avenue are flourishing again. Old factories warehouses being turned into apartments and office buildings. However I dont know how hard/safe it would be to build a subway under the westside highway below the 14th st area. If my architecture school memory serves me right a lot of the lower west side is landfill and not rock. I dunno if that would work for a subway tunnel. Or they could be cool and take it out of the ground and run it up the center of the WSH. That would be a site to see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted January 21, 2009 Share #34 Posted January 21, 2009 An alternative way for people in upper Tribeca/lower west village to travel to Brooklyn Heights? My guess is that the line wasn't just going to end on the west side, it would either head north or south, more likely north. Perhaps via the WSH or Hudson St then the WSH. A WSH subway would be nice now and in the future since the areas beyond 9th avenue are flourishing again. Old factories warehouses being turned into apartments and office buildings. However I dont know how hard/safe it would be to build a subway under the westside highway below the 14th st area. If my architecture school memory serves me right a lot of the lower west side is landfill and not rock. I dunno if that would work for a subway tunnel. Or they could be cool and take it out of the ground and run it up the center of the WSH. That would be a site to see! I doubt it would run under the West Side Highway. My guess was, it would probably turn under Hudson Street or even earlier before that and head uptown. If it turned under Hudson Street, it would continue as an Eighth Avenue Subway. This crosstown line was a Triborough system line, which was before the original IND. The Triborough fell out of action, some plans were adopted by the IRT and some adopted by the BMT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbirdbassist Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share #35 Posted January 22, 2009 Didn't know this was before planned before IND's plans. In that case Hudson St-to-8th Ave or West Broadway-to-5th Ave would make sense. However if it were to be used today (highly unlikely since it would be a grade crossing at Canal St) I vote for West side Highway Elevated. It would utilize the same construction methods as the Air Train that runs along the Van Wyck - Thick center Pillar which supports two tracks. Traffic wouldn't be disrupted much and it, theoretically, could be built rather quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted January 22, 2009 Share #36 Posted January 22, 2009 Didn't know this was before planned before IND's plans. In that case Hudson St-to-8th Ave or West Broadway-to-5th Ave would make sense. However if it were to be used today (highly unlikely since it would be a grade crossing at Canal St) I vote for West side Highway Elevated. It would utilize the same construction methods as the Air Train that runs along the Van Wyck - Thick center Pillar which supports two tracks. Traffic wouldn't be disrupted much and it, theoretically, could be built rather quickly. Since it was part of the Triborough-BRT plans, it preceded both the Turner Plan and the IND plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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