Jump to content
Attention: In order to reply to messages, create topics, have access to other features of the community you must sign up for an account.
Sign in to follow this  
Tbirdbassist

Pics of the Chatnam Sq Area 2nd Avenue Subway Tunnels!

Recommended Posts

Nice pics, the tunnels are not gonna be used for (T) you know. Too bad!

 

 

They look perfectly fine 2 me

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

AWWang, and Fresh Pond, base on Peter Dougherty's book, quote "The short section of tunnel was orginally built for the purpose of connecting the 1970-era Second Avenue Line into Grand St, where it would have formed the outer two tracks around the existing platforms. This tunnel wa smaintaine dby the (MTA) but will not be used and may possibly, ultimately, be fillied-in or abandoned".

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

These tunnels are not near Chatham Square in any manner. These tunnels are from the Manhattan Bridge plaza ending around Pell Street around the Confucius Plaza building. If you go to Chinatown and head over to Bowery and continue to the pedestrian bridge path, you will see a ventilation structure, with sidewalk gratings in a suppressed space. That suppressed space along with the aforementioned structures were supposed to be part of the 1970s construction.

Construction was halted due to the fact that it undermined several of the supporting beams of the Confucius Plaza tower. I doubt Phase 4 will use these tunnels since it will undermine the structure above. Phase 4 will be interesting, there are generally 3 major options: shallow Chrystie (tracks to be built along Bridge tracks; bes option IMO), deep Chrystie (tracks are under existing Bridge tracks) and Forsyth (tracks to be built under Forsyth Street)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That was very stupid of the MTA! Damn wastes of money by them and then they want us to foot the biil after all their f-ups look at all that construction wasted or abandoned!! what would the system look like if all that construction was used to its full potential... What a shame...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Nice finds, I have found this user on flickr and his site has some very fine pics of the unseen underground!

 

Any 76th Street pics? :cool::cool:

Seems like he's an urban explorer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
These tunnels are not near Chatham Square in any manner. These tunnels are from the Manhattan Bridge plaza ending around Pell Street around the Confucius Plaza building. If you go to Chinatown and head over to Bowery and continue to the pedestrian bridge path, you will see a ventilation structure, with sidewalk gratings in a suppressed space. That suppressed space along with the aforementioned structures were supposed to be part of the 1970s construction.

Construction was halted due to the fact that it undermined several of the supporting beams of the Confucius Plaza tower. I doubt Phase 4 will use these tunnels since it will undermine the structure above. Phase 4 will be interesting, there are generally 3 major options: shallow Chrystie (tracks to be built along Bridge tracks; bes option IMO), deep Chrystie (tracks are under existing Bridge tracks) and Forsyth (tracks to be built under Forsyth Street)

 

 

 

Err... Pell St is barely two blocks away from Chatnam Sq. I'd say that's pretty near.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Oh, okay... So it could be used for some subway connection but it would not be worth it... Maybe an underground retail mall would be good, :)!

 

Well it can't be used, because it's the same level as the (:) and (D) Grand Street, and the (T) is to be planned below that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Err... Pell St is barely two blocks away from Chatnam Sq. I'd say that's pretty near.

I live in Chinatown. Still, that is not Chatham Square. Chatham Square is the area where East Broadway, Bowery, St James Pl, Worth, Oliver and Park Row all merge together.

It is like trying to call the WFC a part of the World Trade Centre when it is not. (They are separated by West Street)

 

Let us leave it that it is in Chinatown. Plus, not everyone knows where specifically Chatham Square is.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
But, is it very close to the (:) and (D) Grand Street? If so, it can't... If not, it can...

 

Look the tunnel was built the same level as the Grand St. Station, the tunnel extendeds from about the area before the (:) and (D) takes a curve to the Manny, and south to somewhere around the M103, Bowery-City Hall checkpoint. The (T) is going to be below the current Grand St. Station, so the (T) would not rise along with the (B) and (D) just to get to this tunnel.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Look the tunnel was built the same level as the Grand St. Station, the tunnel extendeds from about the area before the (:) and (D) takes a curve to the Manny, and south to somewhere around the M103, Bowery-City Hall checkpoint. The (T) is going to be below the current Grand St. Station, so the (T) would not rise along with the (:) and (D) just to get to this tunnel.

Given the fact that the tunnel will have to dive under the Manhattan Bridge approach, it won't work. The train would have to negotiate sharp grades in order to duck under the approach tracks and will be slowed down. This is already exhibited on the F line SB when it has to duck under the PATH before West 4th.

 

By the way, the tunnel ends around Pell Street, it doesn't continue past there. Otherwise, we might see a station built, given your description.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That space is planned for ancillary use (which could be electrical or other rooms) for the subway, according to the SAS documents.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.