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Knowing the diffrence between RTSs/TMC/Nova etc..

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Well, the TMC's are older and they have slighty different engines than the nova's. Also the orange headlights on the following numbers(9350-9699 and 4900-5249) flash slower than all of the others RTS buses.

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Are the Nova's and TMC's CNG, LNG, Diesel or mixed? We have all Nova and TMC RTS' down here in Dallas, most if not all were LNG, but I think they may be CNG.

 

The Nova's and TMC's we have now have DD S50 there's a few Nova's in Fresh Pond that have Cummins M11E.....TMC's used to have CNG with Triboro and Command before they got retired. Some of the TMC's used to have 6v92TA's and then they got repowered by DD S50's.

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TMC RTS-06

 

 

well u explained it a bit, now i can tell by the back.. =)

 

now what is the Orange light for on the top?

 

I know on the articulated SBS Blue light its for warning people SBS is comming i think? But the orange i dunno...

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Ok

If you want to know about GMC RTS, ask later, but since they are retired, I won't go over them.

 

TMC started with NYCTA RTS in 1987, but those have been retired since.

 

The oldest RTS we have are 1990-1991 TMC RTS-06, noticable due to their single-lined destination signs and triangle shape in the back. Numbers 8000-8396, and these will be retired soon. They were delivered for NYCTA, and were NEVER in Private Lines colors. They have spread to MTAB post-takeover. Example of one, 8106: Notice two things:

 

 

The Destination sign lettering

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The Wedge-Triangle thing in the backDSC_0091.jpg

 

 

 

 

These buses originally had a Series 92 Detroit Diesel, but have since been repowered to a Series 50 with an Allison V731 transmission.

 

 

Next, we have younger 1993-1994 NYCTA and ex-Private company TMC RTS-06.

 

The numbers of the NYCTA start from the end of the 1990-1 TMC RTS and end at 8749. The Private Lines TMCs were from a few companies:

Triboro Coach: 7000 series (there are very few left)

Green Lines: Low 5900s (very few left)

Jamaica Bus Lines: 1100s and 5990s

and most commonly, Queens Surface Corp: 9700s

 

Note that NYCTA 1993-1994 TMCs have emergency lights and ex-PBLs do NOT. ALSO, NYCTA 1993-94s have the destination sign like the 1990 TMC RTS-06. The PBL TMC RTS-06 have destination signs close to the ones on NovaBuses. Ex PBLs of these have vents on both sides where the triangles on 1990s are, but NYCTAs only have it on one side.

 

I don't have a pic of a NYCTA 1993-1994, just look at CurAke79's, but here are a few of the PBLs: (Note, unless whitebacked, ex-PBL TMC RTS-06 have big numbers in the front)

 

Ex Jamaica Bus Lines, # 5992 (number is small due to whiteback)

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Ex Queens Surface, #9718 (Number is small due to whiteback)

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Ex- Queens Surface, #9754 (big number since it has NOT been repainted since it was originally painted into MTA blue

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Ex Triboro, #7212 (this bus is whitebacked, but the numbers are big anyway

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All of these buses had Detroit Diesel Series 50s and Allision V731 Transmissions.

 

 

Ok, in 1994/95, the design of the RTS was shifted to NovaBus from TMC.

Our first NovaBus RTS-06s are from 1995. This extended to 1999.

The numbers of NovaBus RTS-06s are 8750-9699, 4900-5249

 

These buses too, have Detroit Diesel Series 50s and Allision V731 Transmissions, with a few exceptions.

Novas in the 9140s have Cummins M11E engines with Allison V731s.

Novas 5075-5124 instead of Allison V731s have ZF Ecomat HP592 transmissions (but still DD S50s).

 

Note that only NYCTA ordered NovaBuses, not any of the ex-PBLs or MTA Bus either. However, recently some 9300 series NovaBuses have been transferred to LaGuardia Depot MTA Bus along with some NYCTA 8400 and 8500 series TMC RTS-06. (There are also a few 8400s/8500s at the MTA Bus Baisley Park depot).

 

Examples of NovaBuses:

 

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Let me know if I made any mistakes, I did that off the top of my head

 

 

BTW: TMC RTS-06 CNGs were from Triboro and Command from 1990 and 1993/4 and have since been retired

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To tell the difference in terms of the manufacturers, just remember the number series of who built what.

 

TMCs being the 8000s, 8100s, 8200s, 8300s, 8400s, 8500s, 8600s, 8700-04, 1100s, and the 9700s.

 

The Novas are the 4900s, 5000s, 5100s, 5200s, 8750-99, 8800s, 8900s, 9000s, 9100s, 9200s, 9300s, 9400s, 9500s, and 9600s.

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To tell the difference in terms of the manufacturers, just remember the number series of who built what.

 

TMCs being the 8000s, 8100s, 8200s, 8300s, 8400s, 8500s, 8600s, 8700-04, 1100s, and the 9700s.

 

The Novas are the 4900s, 5000s, 5100s, 5200s, 8750-99, 8800s, 8900s, 9000s, 9100s, 9200s, 9300s, 9400s, 9500s, and 9600s.

There are also some TMC's in the 5900's and 71-7200's.

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well u explained it a bit, now i can tell by the back.. =)

 

now what is the Orange light for on the top?

 

I know on the articulated SBS Blue light its for warning people SBS is comming i think? But the orange i dunno...

Those can be turned on by the bus operator in an emergency. The signs will also display emergency call police.

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well u explained it a bit, now i can tell by the back.. =)

 

now what is the Orange light for on the top?

 

I know on the articulated SBS Blue light its for warning people SBS is comming i think? But the orange i dunno...

 

Isn't that blue light used to change the lights quicker? Like say there is a red, and when the bus comes, it changes to a green.

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The Nova's and TMC's we have now have DD S50 there's a few Nova's in Fresh Pond that have Cummins M11E.....TMC's used to have CNG with Triboro and Command before they got retired. Some of the TMC's used to have 6v92TA's and then they got repowered by DD S50's.

 

 

The buses in Fresh Pond with the Cummins M11E engine numbers are 9140, and 9142-9149. 9141 had it, but it got into an accident and was cannabolized for parts, including the engine, but was rebuilt with the current engine.

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To tell the difference in terms of the manufacturers, just remember the number series of who built what.

 

TMCs being the 8000s, 8100s, 8200s, 8300s, 8400s, 8500s, 8600s, 8700-04, 1100s, and the 9700s.

 

The Novas are the 4900s, 5000s, 5100s, 5200s, 8750-99, 8800s, 8900s, 9000s, 9100s, 9200s, 9300s, 9400s, 9500s, and 9600s.

 

A nitpick, but there is no bus 8704 :)

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