mark1447 Posted January 20, 2009 Share #1 Posted January 20, 2009 How can I tell the difference from all the RTS family. I dunno much about buses, but would like to know. Thanks!:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B41 Posted January 20, 2009 Share #2 Posted January 20, 2009 Well, the TMC's are older and they have slighty different engines than the nova's. Also the orange headlights on the following numbers(9350-9699 and 4900-5249) flash slower than all of the others RTS buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted January 20, 2009 Share #3 Posted January 20, 2009 TMC RTS-06 RTS NovaBus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasDART Posted January 20, 2009 Share #4 Posted January 20, 2009 Are the Nova's and TMC's CNG, LNG, Diesel or mixed? We have all Nova and TMC RTS' down here in Dallas, most if not all were LNG, but I think they may be CNG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted January 20, 2009 Share #5 Posted January 20, 2009 Are the Nova's and TMC's CNG, LNG, Diesel or mixed? We have all Nova and TMC RTS' down here in Dallas, most if not all were LNG, but I think they may be CNG. The Nova's and TMC's we have now have DD S50 there's a few Nova's in Fresh Pond that have Cummins M11E.....TMC's used to have CNG with Triboro and Command before they got retired. Some of the TMC's used to have 6v92TA's and then they got repowered by DD S50's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasDART Posted January 20, 2009 Share #6 Posted January 20, 2009 Ah ok thanks. Our 5000 numbered and above of RTS' are DD Series 50 powered. the 4200's-4800's are Cummins M11. Here is a link of me riding a DDS50 version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted January 20, 2009 TMC RTS-06 well u explained it a bit, now i can tell by the back.. =) now what is the Orange light for on the top? I know on the articulated SBS Blue light its for warning people SBS is comming i think? But the orange i dunno... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q25toJamaica Posted January 20, 2009 Share #8 Posted January 20, 2009 Ok If you want to know about GMC RTS, ask later, but since they are retired, I won't go over them. TMC started with NYCTA RTS in 1987, but those have been retired since. The oldest RTS we have are 1990-1991 TMC RTS-06, noticable due to their single-lined destination signs and triangle shape in the back. Numbers 8000-8396, and these will be retired soon. They were delivered for NYCTA, and were NEVER in Private Lines colors. They have spread to MTAB post-takeover. Example of one, 8106: Notice two things: The Destination sign lettering The Wedge-Triangle thing in the back These buses originally had a Series 92 Detroit Diesel, but have since been repowered to a Series 50 with an Allison V731 transmission. Next, we have younger 1993-1994 NYCTA and ex-Private company TMC RTS-06. The numbers of the NYCTA start from the end of the 1990-1 TMC RTS and end at 8749. The Private Lines TMCs were from a few companies: Triboro Coach: 7000 series (there are very few left) Green Lines: Low 5900s (very few left) Jamaica Bus Lines: 1100s and 5990s and most commonly, Queens Surface Corp: 9700s Note that NYCTA 1993-1994 TMCs have emergency lights and ex-PBLs do NOT. ALSO, NYCTA 1993-94s have the destination sign like the 1990 TMC RTS-06. The PBL TMC RTS-06 have destination signs close to the ones on NovaBuses. Ex PBLs of these have vents on both sides where the triangles on 1990s are, but NYCTAs only have it on one side. I don't have a pic of a NYCTA 1993-1994, just look at CurAke79's, but here are a few of the PBLs: (Note, unless whitebacked, ex-PBL TMC RTS-06 have big numbers in the front) Ex Jamaica Bus Lines, # 5992 (number is small due to whiteback) Ex Queens Surface, #9718 (Number is small due to whiteback) Ex- Queens Surface, #9754 (big number since it has NOT been repainted since it was originally painted into MTA blue Ex Triboro, #7212 (this bus is whitebacked, but the numbers are big anyway All of these buses had Detroit Diesel Series 50s and Allision V731 Transmissions. Ok, in 1994/95, the design of the RTS was shifted to NovaBus from TMC. Our first NovaBus RTS-06s are from 1995. This extended to 1999. The numbers of NovaBus RTS-06s are 8750-9699, 4900-5249 These buses too, have Detroit Diesel Series 50s and Allision V731 Transmissions, with a few exceptions. Novas in the 9140s have Cummins M11E engines with Allison V731s. Novas 5075-5124 instead of Allison V731s have ZF Ecomat HP592 transmissions (but still DD S50s). Note that only NYCTA ordered NovaBuses, not any of the ex-PBLs or MTA Bus either. However, recently some 9300 series NovaBuses have been transferred to LaGuardia Depot MTA Bus along with some NYCTA 8400 and 8500 series TMC RTS-06. (There are also a few 8400s/8500s at the MTA Bus Baisley Park depot). Examples of NovaBuses: Let me know if I made any mistakes, I did that off the top of my head BTW: TMC RTS-06 CNGs were from Triboro and Command from 1990 and 1993/4 and have since been retired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted January 20, 2009 Share #9 Posted January 20, 2009 @Q25: Those "triangle thingies" are porkchop windows. Don't know why they're called that though. Otherwise completely right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted January 20, 2009 Share #10 Posted January 20, 2009 To tell the difference in terms of the manufacturers, just remember the number series of who built what. TMCs being the 8000s, 8100s, 8200s, 8300s, 8400s, 8500s, 8600s, 8700-04, 1100s, and the 9700s. The Novas are the 4900s, 5000s, 5100s, 5200s, 8750-99, 8800s, 8900s, 9000s, 9100s, 9200s, 9300s, 9400s, 9500s, and 9600s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycbusfan Posted January 20, 2009 Share #11 Posted January 20, 2009 To tell the difference in terms of the manufacturers, just remember the number series of who built what. TMCs being the 8000s, 8100s, 8200s, 8300s, 8400s, 8500s, 8600s, 8700-04, 1100s, and the 9700s. The Novas are the 4900s, 5000s, 5100s, 5200s, 8750-99, 8800s, 8900s, 9000s, 9100s, 9200s, 9300s, 9400s, 9500s, and 9600s. There are also some TMC's in the 5900's and 71-7200's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycbusfan Posted January 20, 2009 Share #12 Posted January 20, 2009 well u explained it a bit, now i can tell by the back.. =) now what is the Orange light for on the top? I know on the articulated SBS Blue light its for warning people SBS is comming i think? But the orange i dunno... Those can be turned on by the bus operator in an emergency. The signs will also display emergency call police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted January 21, 2009 Share #13 Posted January 21, 2009 well u explained it a bit, now i can tell by the back.. =) now what is the Orange light for on the top? I know on the articulated SBS Blue light its for warning people SBS is comming i think? But the orange i dunno... Isn't that blue light used to change the lights quicker? Like say there is a red, and when the bus comes, it changes to a green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted January 21, 2009 Share #14 Posted January 21, 2009 There are also some TMC's in the 5900's and 71-7200's. Correct, I totally forgot those. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 21, 2009 Share #15 Posted January 21, 2009 The Nova's and TMC's we have now have DD S50 there's a few Nova's in Fresh Pond that have Cummins M11E.....TMC's used to have CNG with Triboro and Command before they got retired. Some of the TMC's used to have 6v92TA's and then they got repowered by DD S50's. The buses in Fresh Pond with the Cummins M11E engine numbers are 9140, and 9142-9149. 9141 had it, but it got into an accident and was cannabolized for parts, including the engine, but was rebuilt with the current engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted January 22, 2009 Share #16 Posted January 22, 2009 Even though I wouldn't call myself a busfan, i love those RTS busses! I love especially when the driver accelerates very hard! Those engines sound great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted January 23, 2009 Share #17 Posted January 23, 2009 To tell the difference in terms of the manufacturers, just remember the number series of who built what. TMCs being the 8000s, 8100s, 8200s, 8300s, 8400s, 8500s, 8600s, 8700-04, 1100s, and the 9700s. The Novas are the 4900s, 5000s, 5100s, 5200s, 8750-99, 8800s, 8900s, 9000s, 9100s, 9200s, 9300s, 9400s, 9500s, and 9600s. A nitpick, but there is no bus 8704 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 23, 2009 Share #18 Posted January 23, 2009 A nitpick, but there is no bus 8704 Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted January 26, 2009 Share #19 Posted January 26, 2009 This thread helped me a lot in identifying them. Now I'll take more pics of the TMCs since they're disappearing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B41 Posted January 26, 2009 Share #20 Posted January 26, 2009 Why is that? It only goes up to 8703 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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