Forest Glen Posted January 13, 2010 Share #51 Posted January 13, 2010 Anyone linked to the steroid scandal should be barred from the Hall of Fame. That includes A-Rod, even though he's a Yankee. It would be unfair to have a double standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 13, 2010 Share #52 Posted January 13, 2010 Again, he didn't use it all his career. His other years are still HOF worthy. Like Joe said, just put an * next to their names. They don't deserve to be barred for their 'clean years'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted January 13, 2010 Share #53 Posted January 13, 2010 The mere fact that they cheated shows their lack of regard for the game or fans. They knowingly deceived people who believed in them (especially A-Rod. I knew McGwire was a cheater but I honestly thought A-Rod was clean). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 13, 2010 Share #54 Posted January 13, 2010 Then I will have to disagree. The * next to the name is good enough. The few years they cheated should not bar them for their other years. Obviously a McGuire would probably be banned since he used it for most of his career, but I wouldn't ban the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted January 13, 2010 Share #55 Posted January 13, 2010 At CUNY if you cheated on an exam you got a F for the semester. How is baseball different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 13, 2010 Share #56 Posted January 13, 2010 Why are you getting so worked up over this? So they'll get a permanent mark for their careers, that doesn't diminish their other years. So if the person cheated, but still got A's for the other classes and had the highest gpa, wouldn't that person still be the valedictorian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messino Posted January 13, 2010 Share #57 Posted January 13, 2010 Why are you getting so worked up over this? So they'll get a permanent mark for their careers, that doesn't diminish their other years.So if the person cheated, but still got A's for the other classes and had the highest gpa, wouldn't that person still be the valedictorian? Its as easy as this, why should they be allowed in the hall of fame if they cheated? Theres no way to tell when they started and stopped taking steroids.. Its like having a musician in the rock and roll hall of fame who got caught for plagerism. You only know about the songs he got caught stealing from someone and claimed he wrote himself. Who knows about the other songs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 13, 2010 Share #58 Posted January 13, 2010 :sigh: whatever, I'm still going to agree with what Joe said. If you [in general] want to continue it further, fine... I'm not changing my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted January 13, 2010 Share #59 Posted January 13, 2010 There is no way to accurately tell apart who actually did what from who and when and what kind of impact it had. There are pitchers in the hall of fame who threw spitballs, there are hitters who used greenies, and players could have been juicing long before the 90's for all we know. You live and you learn. The Hall of Fame is there to honor and respect the traditions and history of baseball. It is not some "moral" society that only the pure of heart enter or some other kind of BS like that, and the sportswriters that attempt to turn it into something that it is not are full of shit, and deserve to have their voting credentials revoked. Mind you, these are the same buffoons who didn't vote Roberto Alomar, one of the best second basemen of all time in, because they don't think he should have gotten in first ballot, but most agree that he will get in before his ineligibility is up. Now explain that stupidity to me. Explain the idiot that voted Derek Jeter 6th in the MVP in 2006, which cost him the MVP. These idiot writers continue to push their personal opinions on people with their articles, their voting and their phony moral compass. 99% of them would have juiced had they been in the locker room with those players and they worshipped these guys when they hit all the home runs and never once turned anything but a blind eye...but now that it is convenient they are holier than thou... Baseball is the only sport that does this riduculousness. Shawne Merriman in the NFL gets caught juicing, suspended 8 games, he comes back? So what he's still a good player... Baseball they'd be trying to figure out what his sack and tackle totals would have been if he wasn't on the juice and whether or not he should have made the Pro Bowl all those years... Baseball is a great game but it is ass backwards about a lot of things, and the HOF is one of those things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTS CNG Command Posted January 13, 2010 Share #60 Posted January 13, 2010 Anyone linked to the steroid scandal should be barred from the Hall of Fame. That includes A-Rod, even though he's a Yankee. It would be unfair to have a double standard.But wouldn't be a double standard to ban them from the HOF when steroid-taking wasn't illegal in the MLB until 2005? A-Rod, McGwire, Bonds (if he did it), and Clemens (if he did it) didn't break any MLB policy at the time. Banning them from the HOF for cheating would be hypocritical here. Pete Rose, on the other hand, was banned because he bet on the game, and that was clearly against MLB rules. P.S.: Palmeiro was suspended for testing positive for steroids, but we don't know if he took them prior to 2005. (I think there was a report that Palmeiro was tested for steroids after the court appearance and came back negative. If that's true, let me know.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted January 13, 2010 Share #61 Posted January 13, 2010 I still remember his infamous press conference when he wagged his finger and said "I did not use steroids" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 14, 2010 Share #62 Posted January 14, 2010 Well said Subwayguy But wouldn't be a double standard to ban them from the HOF when steroid-taking wasn't illegal in the MLB until 2005? A-Rod, McGwire, Bonds (if he did it), and Clemens (if he did it) didn't break any MLB policy at the time. Banning them from the HOF for cheating would be hypocritical here. Pete Rose, on the other hand, was banned because he bet on the game, and that was clearly against MLB rules. P.S.: Palmeiro was suspended for testing positive for steroids, but we don't know if he took them prior to 2005. (I think there was a report that Palmeiro was tested for steroids after the court appearance and came back negative. If that's true, let me know.) Don't bother, the people here have already made up their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPBO Posted January 14, 2010 Share #63 Posted January 14, 2010 Yes end of story!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Charles Posted January 17, 2010 Share #64 Posted January 17, 2010 If Aroid...I mean Arod, if he gets in, and Shoeless Joe still doesn't, something's truly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 17, 2010 Share #65 Posted January 17, 2010 I don't think they can ban ARod though, drugs or not, it's still record numbers. I would expect a 'black mark' on his record though. But I can't see him being outright banned like McGuire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted January 17, 2010 Share #66 Posted January 17, 2010 I don't think they can ban ARod though, drugs or not, it's still record numbers. I would expect a 'black mark' on his record though. But I can't see him being outright banned like McGuire. What about Pete Rose? Oh boo hoo he bet on baseball. Meanwhile the all time hits leader ain't even in the Hall of Fame. Sorry, I missed the part where this became Camelot and only the pure of heart got in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 17, 2010 Share #67 Posted January 17, 2010 Pete Rose definitely should be allowed in, compared to all this steroids mess, his gambling issues are nothing. He at least [as far as we know] got his record cleanly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nel070 Posted January 17, 2010 Share #68 Posted January 17, 2010 Pete Rose definitely should be allowed in, compared to all this steroids mess, his gambling issues are nothing. He at least [as far as we know] got his record cleanly. The Hall of Fame is a joke, if the all time leading hit leader is not there . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 17, 2010 Share #69 Posted January 17, 2010 Well the writers and such votes the players in. If anything players should be voted in by their records, not 'morals'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted January 17, 2010 Author Share #70 Posted January 17, 2010 The Hall of Fame is a joke, if the all time leading hit leader is not there . Yup. And yet Bud Selig using his 'moral power' to prevent the BWAA (writers) on voting on whether Pete Rose gets in the HOF or not. If i am not mistaken was not Mr Selig, the head of MLB during most of the steriods era from say 1995-2005? Another case of double standard. No doubt Rose deserved a long term(not life)suspension say at least 5 years or more for gambling but what a joke Mark McGuire can get a post carrer MLB job and not Pete Rose? What a disgrace imo.:mad::tdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted January 17, 2010 Share #71 Posted January 17, 2010 Yup. And yet Bud Selig using his 'moral power' to prevent the BWAA (writers) on voting on whether Pete Rose gets in the HOF or not. If i am not mistaken was not Mr Selig, the head of MLB during most of the steriods era from say 1995-2005? Another case of double standard. No doubt Rose deserved a long term(not life)suspension say at least 5 years or more for gambling but what a joke Mark McGuire can get a post carrer MLB job and not Pete Rose? What a disgrace imo.:mad::tdown: Well the HOF is not "baseball". Banned from baseball means if Pete Rose applies to be head clubhouse janitor for the Cincinnati Reds, they say, "no you're banned" but the HOF is about celebrating BASEBALL HISTORY not just MLB, and that's why there are many deserving Negro Leagues players in there as well because they are part of BASEBALL'S history. So too is Pete Rose. Anyone who attempts to make the HOF anything other than a reminder of baseball's past, for better or for worse, is full of shit (glares at sportswriters). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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