eli Posted February 21, 2009 Share #1 Posted February 21, 2009 The L train speeds into the future with new computerized technology. Starting Tuesday, the Manhattan-Brooklyn subway line will be controlled by a computerized signal system, which will allow trains to run more frequently. The project was given a $300 million price tag two years ago, but its activation was put off several times due to some technical glitches. The system will first be used during off peak hours and there will be drivers onboard to take over if anything goes wrong. MTA officials say this is proven technology which is already used in other U.S. and European cities. NY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted February 21, 2009 Share #2 Posted February 21, 2009 Finally. Don't worry, there will always be manned trains, as machines are not perfect. I'm not really concerned about trains running faster, which is nice, but i am mainly happy to hear that it'll be much safer due to the nature of the system. No more overshot red lights. I have muy respect for motermen/engineers/train operators, but every so often someone shows up for work in not the best condition to be controlling a how many hundreds of feet long multi-tons passenger (or even freight) device especially if something happens such as them becoming ill or something unexpected. Hopefully this will expand to other lines soon. - A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted February 21, 2009 Share #3 Posted February 21, 2009 Does the computer assist the T/O or take over the job of the T/O, just with a manual override? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted February 21, 2009 Share #4 Posted February 21, 2009 Does the computer assist the T/O or take over the job of the T/O, just with a manual override? The human in the driver seat oversees the automated behavior of the train intervening when needed. - A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYtransit Posted February 21, 2009 Share #5 Posted February 21, 2009 so now they finally gonna fix out the bugs? so,when will the flushing line get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted February 21, 2009 Share #6 Posted February 21, 2009 so now they finally gonna fix out the bugs? so,when will the flushing line get it? When they get NTT. - A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYtransit Posted February 21, 2009 Share #7 Posted February 21, 2009 When they get NTT. - A looks like that wont be any time soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattTrain Posted February 21, 2009 Share #8 Posted February 21, 2009 Wow, the will be the first ever pure computerized line in the system, how neat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RokuSix Posted February 21, 2009 Share #9 Posted February 21, 2009 Computerization won't assure perfection. Computers are run by people, that are just as capable of error as a digital program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted February 21, 2009 Share #10 Posted February 21, 2009 Wow, the will be the first ever pure computerized line in the system, how neat! Actually, the 42nd street shuttle had ATO in the 60's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted February 21, 2009 Share #11 Posted February 21, 2009 L of a change as computer goes on track BY Pete Donohue DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER Saturday, February 21st 2009, 4:00 AM Robo train is finally pulling into the station next week. Starting Tuesday, L line trains will be fully controlled by a computerized signal system, officials said Friday. Motormen working the Brooklyn-Manhattan line will remain on board and take over if problems arise, officials said. Communications Based Train Control will enable NYC Transit to run trains closer together and more frequently than the current antiquated signal system allows. The technology is the agency's best hope of relieving overcrowding across the system and handling future population growth, officials have said. CBTC will first be used during overnight hours before the morning rush and then other off-peak periods. Activating the computer mode has been delayed many times over the years due to software problems, technical glitches and a failure to order enough CBTC-ready subway cars. The cost of the CBTC system was pegged at $300 million two years ago. The MTA had wanted to remove conductors from trains in automatic mode but had to back off because the move violated the transit workers' contract. Critics have raised safety concerns but Steve Feil, NYC Transit's vice president of subways, said straphangers shouldn't fret. "This is a safe system with proven technology," Feil said Friday night. "This technology is not in its infancy." pdonohue@nydailynews.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave160 Posted February 21, 2009 Share #12 Posted February 21, 2009 This will be interesting to see/experience.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted February 22, 2009 Share #13 Posted February 22, 2009 Finally. Full automation in action. I can imagine how T/Os will be dying again to put the hand on the throttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted February 22, 2009 Share #14 Posted February 22, 2009 Heard when the thing is fully implemented (as it will operate during the off hours first), the L will become a super-seniority line. Any train crews want to verify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted February 22, 2009 Share #15 Posted February 22, 2009 From NorthEasternT/O on Subchat I just got word that ATO will start then. I looked out the Butten from the MTA Emp. Web-Site and found the one. BULLETU'J NO.: 39-09 February 18, 2009 TO: ALL EMPLOYEES (ESPECIALLY TRAm OPERATORS) SUBJECT: CANARSIE. LINE -AUTOMATIC TRAIN OPERATION AND ALERTER OPERATION Effective February 24, 2009 Automatic Train Operation (ATO) mode will be implemented on the Canarsie. Line, on R143 train consists designated for ATO operation: Train Operators will operate in ATO mode in accordance with the CBTC Operating Rules and Regulations and CBTC Operating Procedures. All Train Operators are reminded ofCBTC Rule 6.04(a) which states: "6.04(a) A train must not be operated in Automatic Train Operation mode immediately after it has been stopped due to an application of the train's emergency brake system, or when assuming operation ofa train on a storage or relay track, or at a terminal The Train Operator must make all the required brake tests. At the next station stop, select Automatic Train Operation mode ifconditions allow. " Train Operators must not operate in ATO until they have received the "ATO Refresher" critique from a Train Service Supervisor and must adhere to the following procedure: 1. "ATO Available" is displayed on the top left comer of the CBTC Train Operator Display (TOD). 2. Whenever A TO mode is available and conditions allow: a. Train Operators will select ATO mode by lifting the "ATO START" cover on the console and depressing the A TO push button. b. Train Operators must test the Alerter audible warning functionality when ATO mode is initially selected (at the first station stop after leaving a terminal), by allowing the warning to sound for one or two seconds before depressing the Alerter push button. c. If the audible warning fails to sound, immediately operate in Automatic Train Protection Manual (A TPM) mode by moving the Master Controller from the Full Service Brake position and continue operating in ATPM mode. d. All Alerter malfunctions must be reported to the Rail Control Center at the next station and entered on the car defect sheet upon arrival at the terminal BULLETmNO.: 39-09 Page 1 of2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted February 22, 2009 Share #16 Posted February 22, 2009 Man, I need to get down there as a T/O before the MTA starts spreading CBTC around system wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted February 22, 2009 Share #17 Posted February 22, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted February 22, 2009 Share #18 Posted February 22, 2009 I'll see if I can do a RailFan trip... I'll carry the Camera and of course print that Rules of Conduct out... I hope the test goes well and has a good impact on the NYCT system... The is ready to roll, ! IMO, it would just look like regular operation. Nothing special. You can't take pictures of the cab and how the personnel actually do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted February 22, 2009 Share #19 Posted February 22, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYtransit Posted February 22, 2009 Share #20 Posted February 22, 2009 Man, I need to get down there as a T/O before the MTA starts spreading CBTC around system wide. tah,you really think the system will be have a lot CBTC by 2015+? you really think the MTA has that kind of money? basic point,dont worry man,you wont see CBTC on any line other line (except the ) until like 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted February 22, 2009 Share #21 Posted February 22, 2009 tah,you really think the system will be have a lot CBTC by 2015+? you really think the MTA has that kind of money? basic point,dont worry man,you wont see CBTC on any line other line (except the ) until like 2020 The next line to get it will likely be the . The has a lot of issues that need to be resolved before any kind of computerization system is put in. The first IRT line to get it will likely be the with tis fancy new terminal. Also the SAS will have this. - A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted February 22, 2009 Share #22 Posted February 22, 2009 tah,you really think the system will be have a lot CBTC by 2015+? you really think the MTA has that kind of money? basic point,dont worry man,you wont see CBTC on any line other line (except the ) until like 2020 Well with the bill that congress passed, if the MTA gets the money from it, who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted February 22, 2009 Share #23 Posted February 22, 2009 The next line to get it will likely be the . The has a lot of issues that need to be resolved before any kind of computerization system is put in. The first IRT line to get it will likely be the with tis fancy new terminal. Also the SAS will have this. - A There is already bidding being done for a contract for CBTC on the . I don't have the link with me though but you could probably find it on Google. The will likely be next because the R188s will upgrade the R142/As to CBTC and will be just for the . The is also an isolated line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted February 22, 2009 Share #24 Posted February 22, 2009 I'd like to believe that, but the has buku issues with signal and switch reliability, i can't imagine the problems if you put yet another system in. - A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave160 Posted February 22, 2009 Share #25 Posted February 22, 2009 just a thought, but do you think the controller handle would be moving by itself to control the speed during ATO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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