UlmerPark B6 Posted April 14, 2009 Share #51 Posted April 14, 2009 wonder why they haven't upgraded yet, maybe because they are POOR:confused: It's either they don't want to, too lazy, too cheap, or too poor to admitted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted April 14, 2009 Share #52 Posted April 14, 2009 Because, the R-160 is new and the does not want to damage the tounge like thing that takes power out of the Thrid Rail. ...called a SHOE... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawasaki3 Posted April 14, 2009 Share #53 Posted April 14, 2009 cant they even upgraded the third rail on the line. so R160's could run on the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted April 14, 2009 Share #54 Posted April 14, 2009 cant they even upgraded the third rail on the line.so R160's could run on the . They said they were going to do it eventually...It figures why the R179s are planned to debut on Queens Blvd in the first place. Not to mention, even LIRR upgraded their third rail system from 650v DC to 750v DC and replaced many substations for the M1s back in the 70s. What the subway is running on right now is 600v DC with 650v DC substations. LOL they aren't even compatible. The R44s can do it simply because they are good cars that can "take the beating." It has nothing to do with the saltwater for heaven's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 14, 2009 Share #55 Posted April 14, 2009 They said they were going to do it eventually...It figures why the R179s are planned to debut on Queens Blvd in the first place. Not to mention, even LIRR upgraded their third rail system from 650v DC to 750v DC and replaced many substations for the M1s back in the 70s. What the subway is running on right now is 600v DC with 650v DC substations. LOL they aren't even compatible. The R44s can do it simply because they are good cars that can "take the beating." It has nothing to do with the saltwater for heaven's sake. And given these times, I doubt the MTA is upgrading anything like that. If they do, they will call for another fare increase and a wave of service cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted April 14, 2009 Share #56 Posted April 14, 2009 And given these times, I doubt the MTA is upgrading anything like that. If they do, they will call for another fare increase and a wave of service cuts. Replacing a substation definitely takes a long time and a lot of money. I fear that the A would get the R179 options, not the R179 base order. Not to mention, for those that are foaming that the R68As are going to the A, not even the R68As can run to the Rockaways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawasaki3 Posted April 14, 2009 Share #57 Posted April 14, 2009 and the proof i am saying is: MTA NYCT subway had order 1,700 cars of R160 and they going to be supplment order of R160's. 340 cars (#8313 - #8652 (built by Alstom (4 car unit) 60 cars ( #8653 - #8712) built by Alstom ( 5 car unit) 260 cars ( #8713 - #8972( built by kawasaki) 5 car unit) 260 cars ( #8973 - #9232 360 cars (#9233 - #9592) total will be 1,280 cars of R160 cars will be into service. now MTA had purchase: 140 cars of R160 will be built by kawasaki 100 cars of R160 will be built by kawasaki 130 cars of R160 will be built Alstom 242 cars of R160 will be built by alstom the second option order of R160 of will be built kawasaki: of 140 cars: 400 cars #8313 - #8712 260 cars #8713 - #8972 260 cars #8973 - #9232 360 cars #9233 - #9592 140 cars #9593 - #9732? (second option order) total of 1420 cars will be into service if you used other number like #3300 series. it already have been taking i mean R32 is still using the number #3300 - #3900 series. R40 slant is not even retired yet. they are using #4100 - #4400 series number) R42 #4400 - #4900 being used . there is no other number to be used. #3350 - #3949 still being used on R32 #4150 - #4449 being used on R40 slant #4450 - #4559 being used R40M #4560 - #4949 being used on R42 the next that should be used for second option order of 140 cars is: #9593 - #9732. that can be used for second option order of 140 cars. that will make 1,420 cars of R160 #8313 - #9732 will be put into service. R40 slant is retire this year only number left is #3950 - #4149. that was former R38 number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 14, 2009 Share #58 Posted April 14, 2009 Replacing a substation definitely takes a long time and a lot of money. I fear that the A would get the R179 options, not the R179 base order. Not to mention, for those that are foaming that the R68As are going to the A, not even the R68As can run to the Rockaways... It's likely, because even if the B is fully R68/As and the G uses them upon its transfer to CI, there will be quite a number remaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 14, 2009 Share #59 Posted April 14, 2009 and the proof i am saying is: MTA NYCT subway had order 1,700 cars of R160 and they going to be supplment order of R160's. 340 cars (#8313 - #8652 (built by Alstom (4 car unit) 60 cars ( #8653 - #8712) built by Alstom ( 5 car unit) 260 cars ( #8713 - #8972( built by kawasaki) 5 car unit) 260 cars ( #8973 - #9232 360 cars (#9233 - #9592) total will be 1,280 cars of R160 cars will be into service. now MTA had purchase: 140 cars of R160 will be built by kawasaki 100 cars of R160 will be built by kawasaki 130 cars of R160 will be built Alstom 242 cars of R160 will be built by alstom the second option order of R160 of will be built kawasaki: of 140 cars: 400 cars #8313 - #8712 260 cars #8713 - #8972 260 cars #8973 - #9232 360 cars #9233 - #9592 140 cars #9593 - #9732? (second option order) total of 1420 cars will be into service if you used other number like #3300 series. it already have been taking i mean R32 is still using the number #3300 - #3900 series. R40 slant is not even retired yet. they are using #4100 - #4400 series number) R42 #4400 - #4900 being used . there is no other number to be used. #3350 - #3949 still being used on R32 #4150 - #4449 being used on R40 slant #4450 - #4559 being used R40M #4560 - #4949 being used on R42 the next that should be used for second option order of 140 cars is: #9593 - #9732. that can be used for second option order of 140 cars. that will make 1,420 cars of R160 #8313 - #9732 will be put into service. R40 slant is retire this year only number left is #3950 - #4149. that was former R38 number. We have to wait until we hear from official reports. Things can always change. It's fun speculating, but I would prefer hearing from official sources. The first optional orders are not even finished. And honestly, I can't understand half the stuff you wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlmerPark B6 Posted April 14, 2009 Share #60 Posted April 14, 2009 and the proof i am saying is: MTA NYCT subway had order 1,700 cars of R160 and they going to be supplment order of R160's. 340 cars (#8313 - #8652 (built by Alstom (4 car unit) 60 cars ( #8653 - #8712) built by Alstom ( 5 car unit) 260 cars ( #8713 - #8972( built by kawasaki) 5 car unit) 260 cars ( #8973 - #9232 360 cars (#9233 - #9592) total will be 1,280 cars of R160 cars will be into service. now MTA had purchase: 140 cars of R160 will be built by kawasaki 100 cars of R160 will be built by kawasaki 130 cars of R160 will be built Alstom 242 cars of R160 will be built by alstom the second option order of R160 of will be built kawasaki: of 140 cars: 400 cars #8313 - #8712 260 cars #8713 - #8972 260 cars #8973 - #9232 360 cars #9233 - #9592 140 cars #9593 - #9732? (second option order) total of 1420 cars will be into service if you used other number like #3300 series. it already have been taking i mean R32 is still using the number #3300 - #3900 series. R40 slant is not even retired yet. they are using #4100 - #4400 series number) R42 #4400 - #4900 being used . there is no other number to be used. #3350 - #3949 still being used on R32 #4150 - #4449 being used on R40 slant #4450 - #4559 being used R40M #4560 - #4949 being used on R42 the next that should be used for second option order of 140 cars is: #9593 - #9732. that can be used for second option order of 140 cars. that will make 1,420 cars of R160 #8313 - #9732 will be put into service. R40 slant is retire this year only number left is #3950 - #4149. that was former R38 number. WTF?????????? How do you come up with this? And really, your grammar is confusing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawasaki3 Posted April 14, 2009 Share #61 Posted April 14, 2009 the next number should be use for 140 cars (second option order is #9593 - #9732. there is no other number that cant be used. #3350 - #3949 been taking R32 #4150 - #4449 been taking R40slant. being retired this year. #4450 - #4949 been taking taking on R40M - R42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 14, 2009 Share #62 Posted April 14, 2009 Official proof? Because I don't want people to start pointing at each other about "false information" and other stuff. So show me the proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted April 14, 2009 Share #63 Posted April 14, 2009 It figures why the R179s are planned to debut on Queens Blvd in the first place. Where do you get this information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted April 15, 2009 Share #64 Posted April 15, 2009 Where do you get this information? ive gotten that information as well. mine came from a 2008-2013 capial project report i came across my accident. it mentioned the R179's, 64 to SIR and apporximatly 280 additional cars for the "main line" (NYCT) to begin with queens bl service and to begin to replace the R44 fleet. it was in PDF format. and as far as 160s in rockaway, the cars arrive and assembled into consists at 207. they are pulled to Pitkin to be used at Broad Channel during the midday to be speed and brake tested there. then assigned to its yard. there is a problem with newer cars operating in rockaway because of the voltage and current. they have been trying to solve it since the arrival of the NNT (R110B) in 1992. Technically they can run down there but the rate of a "short" is too high for revenue service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 15, 2009 Share #65 Posted April 15, 2009 ive gotten that information as well. mine came from a 2008-2013 capial project report i came across my accident. it mentioned the R179's, 64 to SIR and apporximatly 280 additional cars for the "main line" (NYCT) to begin with queens bl service and to begin to replace the R44 fleet. it was in PDF format. and as far as 160s in rockaway, the cars arrive and assembled into consists at 207. they are pulled to Pitkin to be used at Broad Channel during the midday to be speed and brake tested there. then assigned to its yard. there is a problem with newer cars operating in rockaway because of the voltage and current. they have been trying to solve it since the arrival of the NNT (R110B) in 1992. Technically they can run down there but the rate of a "short" is too high for revenue service. 208 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted April 15, 2009 Share #66 Posted April 15, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 15, 2009 Share #67 Posted April 15, 2009 There is a 208th Street Yard? That is interesting, ! No, 208 cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted April 15, 2009 Share #68 Posted April 15, 2009 It's likely, because even if the B is fully R68/As and the G uses them upon its transfer to CI, there will be quite a number remaining. If the G takes all 200 R68As, then there would be about 416 R68s for the B and D (excluding Franklin R68s). The G is going to become full length and 25 trains are more than enough to do the job. Therefore, the D would get 208, while the B gets 208 for an even split. This is just enough trains to cover both lines. If the MTA is smart, they should definitely put the R68As on the G so there won't be a hassle with the R68As used on the B. This way can also allow the B and D share cars more efficiently since some R68s are put away for part-time use and can end up as weekend spares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted April 15, 2009 Share #69 Posted April 15, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted April 15, 2009 Share #70 Posted April 15, 2009 Well, 208 cars ayy. Possibly The R-179's will just replace R-44's. R-46's will still be here to stay since 208 isn't enough to replace all of them. Every order has options! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 15, 2009 Share #71 Posted April 15, 2009 If the G takes all 200 R68As, then there would be about 416 R68s for the B and D (excluding Franklin R68s). The G is going to become full length and 25 trains are more than enough to do the job. Therefore, the D would get 208, while the B gets 208 for an even split. This is just enough trains to cover both lines. If the MTA is smart, they should definitely put the R68As on the G so there won't be a hassle with the R68As used on the B. This way can also allow the B and D share cars more efficiently since some R68s are put away for part-time use and can end up as weekend spares. I'm not sure about the G becoming full lengthed. But that would be great though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 15, 2009 Share #72 Posted April 15, 2009 Every order has options! Correct, but every order needs money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawasaki3 Posted April 16, 2009 Share #73 Posted April 16, 2009 look at the ? ( car rooster ####) of R32 #3350 - #3949 R40slant ( #4150 - #4449) R40M #4450 - #4559 R42 #4560 - #4949? if mta nyct subway were to chose different number choose: except #9593 - #9732 ( 140 cars) then i would choose ( 140 cars) #3950 - #4089) you know what is the car rooster ### of R40M , R32 , R42 ]but i would choose #9593 - #9732 (140 cars) did #9563 - #9567 came into service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novabus 5000 Posted April 16, 2009 Share #74 Posted April 16, 2009 car Rooster. I did not know the subway had a chicken to wake them up.:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlmerPark B6 Posted April 16, 2009 Share #75 Posted April 16, 2009 Car Rooster, wow...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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