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Should the (MTA) have Trackless-Trolley routes...?

 

I think it should have something greener then a Hybrid.

 

Maybe the 42 in Manhattan....?

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To build, the process of buying a whole new fleet is too expensive.
To string up a set of wires is not that much.

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To string up a set of wires is not that much.

No the thing is, in certain parts of the city, there are low clearances.

In the days of streetcars, in Manhattan, overhead wires weren't used, instead it was cable based. It was made law, that overhead wires cannot be used in Manhattan.

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No the thing is, in certain parts of the city, there are low clearances.

In the days of streetcars, in Manhattan, overhead wires weren't used, instead it was cable based. It was made law, that overhead wires cannot be used in Manhattan.

Then is there any other areas that can use Trackless-Trolleys?

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Then is there any other areas that can use Trackless-Trolleys?

While there isn't a law forbidding the use of overhead wires, they won't be acceptable in the boroughs today, IMO. Many truckers and coach buses would be higher than most wires. It creates some kind of safety issue. We already got CNG and Hybrid powered buses. I don't see the incentive of having a trackless-trolley. What's the difference? It's just another type of bus.

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While there isn't a law forbidding the use of overhead wires, they won't be acceptable in the boroughs today, IMO. Many truckers and coach buses would be higher than most wires. It creates some kind of safety issue. We already got CNG and Hybrid powered buses. I don't see the incentive of having a trackless-trolley. What's the difference? It's just another type of bus.
No........ETBs are the cleanest thing made.

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No........ETBs are the cleanest thing made.

Sorry, but New York isn't Philadelphia. I am not expecting overhead wires anywhere in our city. I think our bus fleet is fine the way it is.

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it sounds like a good idea, but NYC is way too crowded and theres always too much traffic to operate Light Rail Cars. now, in Staten Island, maybe they can place a light rail there where the streets are not too busy. The (SIR) Staten Island Railway doesnt do much.

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Maybe, a Light-Rail can be implemented much like Toronto's StreetCars and Boston's Green Line. But, it must be on roads like Queens Blvd. and Linden Blvd. where there are more room. Northern Blvd. and Broadway may also be capable of handling it.

Streetcars are nice, but again, they require their own signalling and the nature of streetcars is that they tend to have level crossing with cars. So there will be some obstruction.

The thing about overhead electrical supply is that the MTA would have to build a new electrical generator for this extensive network and it will cost money. While it would be cleaner, I think we are better off with the buses we have now (I mean the hybrids and CNGs). The reason is, the buses of today are easier to maintain.

Another fault of trolleybuses is that since they are fixed to the wire, they have less flexibility. Yes, they could move around, however they must be bound to the wire. Our buses have flexibility, they could travel anywhere without an overhead wire.

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But, there is a benefit of streetcars over busses. Streetcars can carry more people when bus is limited. Felxibility is only issue, ;).

 

Not necessarily. If they both have the same capacity, or if the streetcar has less, then streetcars can't carry more.

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You guys & your "its to crowded". ;)

 

Look at hong kong! Double deck street cars!

 

Anyways, trackless trolly would be great on certain routes. Other spots could have light rail & more frequent service.

 

Trackless articulated might be interesting....

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Another fault of trolleybuses is that since they are fixed to the wire, they have less flexibility. Yes, they could move around, however they must be bound to the wire. Our buses have flexibility, they could travel anywhere without an overhead wire.
That's not true......the ones New Flyer makes comes with a ISB in the 40 ft and an ISL in the 60 ft.

 

And Trackless-Trolleys and Light Rail are to different things.Trackless-Trolleys are Electric Buses and don't use rail.

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Overhead wires are ugly and they're an eyesore. It will never happen again. Why would New York go back to the 50's with overhead wires running up and down streets. If you're a fan of trackless trolleys good, leave at that.

 

This is a thread more about opinion than anything else. Sorry but this thread will now be closed.

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