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MTA Should hold up on New Rolling Stock/Bus fleets?

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Whats your opinion on this?Do you think the (MTA) should hold up on purchusing new Rolling Stock(Train Cars)/Bus Fleet in order to help recover from further Doom?

 

For me I think they should not do a 3rd option order of the 160s (if they plan) and hodl the R179 before buying.. This also goes for buses, hold on to the RTSNova buses and let the Orion VII NG finish up orders taht way they can recover from a mess in this economy..

 

If the MTA spends to much money then one day the (MTA) will shut down cuz they love to spend, besides Capital Contruction if thats what you think..

 

What do you think?

 

BTW plz keep it on topic and lets not make a big deal out of things like most topics~ Thanks!

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Whatever is coming in is already paid for. The only thing is the MTA can't probably do is use the options or order anything else unless necessary.

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I don't think if you know this but the train and bus orders like r142,160 are mostly paid for by the federal dept of transportation. I think they pay 80% of the bill for these and MTA picks up the rest. Besides we need a r179 order in a couple of years to replace the r44-46 since they aren't getting any younger. Did read the article about the breakdown in the MTA bus fleet?

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I think all upcoming orders like the extra option of the R160, or the so called "R179" and "R188" should be held up, along with at least 1/4 of the remaining NGs to be delievered. This way, (MTA) could be saving a little more money, so it could benefit for the future.

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I think all upcoming orders like the extra option of the R160, or the so called "R179" and "R188" should be held up, along with at least 1/4 of the remaining NGs to be delievered. This way, (MTA) could be saving a little more money, so it could benefit for the future.

The supposed 3rd option is needed now, they are slashing subway service. The reason why they were speculations of a third option is primarily due to a possiblity of expanded services (as promised last year). But now there are talkings about cutting back. So, the 3rd option is needed.

You are also right about the R188s, that can hold on.

 

According to AMNY, the MTA is expecting a 1.9 billion deficit. According to the paper, even if Albany lawmakers bailed us out, we would still face hikes and cuts. But again, that's the AMNY.

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I don't think if you know this but the train and bus orders like r142,160 are mostly paid for by the federal dept of transportation. I think they pay 80% of the bill for these and MTA picks up the rest. Besides we need a r179 order in a couple of years to replace the r44-46 since they aren't getting any younger. Did read the article about the breakdown in the MTA bus fleet?

 

This is true the federal governement pays for most of the new rolling stock. This is why the TA wasn't able to scrap the R44's like they wanted to. They have to use the cars for there "full" life and scrap them in order from oldest to newest or close to it. The R44's weren't allowed to be scrapped while the R32, R38, and R40's were still in service.

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They need new busses. How about selling the old equipment vs paying to scrap the stuff, or reefing. Wasteful.

 

- A

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For me, I think they should finish all already ordered Trains and Busses. The R-160 Option 3 is fine but, hold on the R-179 and R-188. The R-44/R-46 doesn't need to be replaced just yet.

R160 Option 3 is NOT fine.

The reason is, it was mentioned before, when there was a possibility of expanded service in the system last year. There were plans last year to add more service. However, we are receiving deep service cuts, so there is no need for additional cars. This third option order would not replace anything IF it is implemented. It is only for "service increases". So the fact that the MTA is planning to cut down service would make this third option redundant.

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They need new busses. How about selling the old equipment vs paying to scrap the stuff, or reefing. Wasteful.

 

- A

IMO, scrapping isn't wasteful in an economy where steel prices have gone up 91% over the last few years. Reefing is, though. I would rather recycle all that steel (tons of it) then make a couple of fishermen happy.

 

The NGs and R160s should keep coming since all of them have already been paid for.

I don't know why everyone is convinced of an R160 option order 3 since all cars being retired have already had replacements ordered for them (that's right, every single one).

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Good point but, it would also need to cover the remaining R-32's and R-40M/42's if there is missing spots, :P.

No, the R160s will be enough to retire all classes from R32s-R42s on Division B. There won't be any remaining R32s or Mods/R42s. The second option, as well as the first will take care of them.

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Okay, lets hope Option 1 and 2 can cover all the spots left by the R-32/R-38/R-40S/R-40M/R-42, :P!

Well according to the second option order, 32 R160A-1s will head to ENY. There are about 48 R42s if I'm not mistaken.

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I'm going to say, that (MTA) budget be damned, and get the stuff in that they need vs running the old stuff into the ground.

 

- A

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I work in the A Div, so we gots what we needs (some of us would love to see the Junkasaki R62 go to an early grave, or at least get on par with their R62A Bombardier cousins, but then that's 240yd and Corona doing a great job, compared to Livonia yard (oh I just laughed till I crapped my pants))........

 

As for buses, they are needed. All Orions 100-600 series needs to be taken behind the shed, and stripped till dead. Artics need lots of engine work, and new ones need to be ordered. MTA need to get a more powerful engine too, for a 66,000lb bus........

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If it's paid for then take it. With service cuts in all divisions of the (MTA) all new orders for equipment should be halted immediately. It doesn't matter who pays for it , federal, state, or local, the taxpayer ( you) pays in the long run. Would you buy a house or new car while you're heading into bankruptcy ? That's the type of thinking that got this agency ,(MTA), and country in the fix we're in today.

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32 R-160's? Humm, probably it may be 40 R-160's since, there seems to be 4 sets in ENY. I saw 2 full sets in yard, 1 full set running and probably another full set in the yard, at least half set. So basically there are about 30-40 R-41's in ENY.

232 R160As are to be built by Alstom. This was even in a press release. And the number makes sense, 32 will be R160A-1s (built as 4 car units), leaving the other 200 to be built as 5 car units.

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Thanks for the info, and how would 4-car units operate in 10-car state?

They don't.

4 car units are exclusively for East New York, where they would be formed into 8 car trains.

Only 5 car units are for Coney Island Yard and Jamaica, two of them would make 10 car trains.

So it is only the 5 car unit that could be made into a 10 car set.

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Thanks for the info.

So ENY = 4-Cars.

So CIY and JY = 5-Cars.

Those 32 R160A-1s will go to the L, IINM. They will be CBTC-ready from what I've heard. The J would then use some R160s from the L to replace the R42s.

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