ghome Posted April 25, 2009 Share #1 Posted April 25, 2009 The 2nd ave subway may be 4 years behind original schedule. Second Ave. subway set back - againBY Pete Donohue DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER Friday, April 24th 2009, 9:57 PM The first segment of the Second Ave. subway may not be finished until 2016 - four years later than the original schedule, the Daily News has learned. The MTA, which has pushed back the completion date several times over the last decade, recently predicted additional construction and design delays totaling 18 months, an internal document drafted in February reveals. The Metropolitan Transportation Authority's handling of some aspects of its major construction projects has frustrated the Federal Transit Administration, The News has learned. After extending the Second Ave. subway schedule in March 2008, citing higher than anticipated construction costs, the MTA was required to give the feds a recovery plan with options to make up some lost time and fill budget gaps. The feds have "provided the MTA with a time period that is more than reasonable" regional administrator Brigid Hynes-Cherin wrote to the MTA in November. "Unfortunately, the MTA appears to have been caught up in a never-ending process of evaluating and reevaluating each program. The time for evaluation has taken far too long, and the time for presenting a recovery plan is now long overdue." In the letter, Hynes-Cherin also complained about a "lack of leadership" when the MTA "took an excessive amount of time" to fill top-level vacancies in the capital construction division, including the presidency. The MTA still hasn't provided the recovery plan but is working closely with the federal government, and it should be completed in the coming weeks, FTA spokesman Dave Long told The News. After an exhaustive review, Capital Construction President Michael Horodniceanu will release a report with new project schedules and management strategies next month, MTA spokesman Jeremy Soffin said. "One of the greatest threats to the budget and schedule for the Second Ave. subway, and all of the MTA's projects, remains ongoing uncertainty of funding for the vital upcoming capital program." pdonohue@nydailynews.com http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/04/25/2009-04-25_second_ave_subway_set_back__again.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted April 25, 2009 Share #2 Posted April 25, 2009 This thing is already 70 years overdue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted April 25, 2009 Share #3 Posted April 25, 2009 This sounds like Microsoft when they pushed Vistas General Avaiablity Date which became Nov '06/Jan '07... I doubt we we will ever see an SAS! The is always doing this bs. By the time we hit 2015 who knos if they delay.. For that I would hold the Extension, cuz SAS is much important then the being extended. Think about the people on the Lex Line, who is suffering through overcrowding trains every single day! Rush hours the worst!... Plus they wanna cut the Dyre train on weekends(Dunno about the shuttle ).. Which will be more of a problem for people on the WPR line and Lex line who uses that.. Lex will be in bad shape yr after yr, population in NY is increasing... May god help us =( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlmerPark B6 Posted April 25, 2009 Share #4 Posted April 25, 2009 Yea, Mr. , call me in 30 years, when the SAS is finally finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 25, 2009 Share #5 Posted April 25, 2009 I am seriously moving to Westchester. This NYC bull___ is really making me sick. Too many people, really horrible Transit Authority who never sticks to thier word, and much more. I hate people so I'm in the worst situation being in NYC. I had enough of the delays from MTA I swear. They have the nerve to govern some of thier buses to 25MPH, how is a driver supposed to keep up with thier schedule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted April 25, 2009 Share #6 Posted April 25, 2009 I hope you guys realize it won't actually be finished this time around. They're considering halting ESA and the SAS for the next fare hikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 25, 2009 Share #7 Posted April 25, 2009 I'm really not surprised by this. This line has been "damned", so to speak, since its very beginnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted April 25, 2009 Share #8 Posted April 25, 2009 It's not so much that, but every time it's proposed the city is in a state to enact it a few years before some major fiscal crisis. If the had tried to balance its budget or used its surplus money in other ways back in 2004 (like funding for SAS), then this project wouldn't be screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted April 25, 2009 Share #9 Posted April 25, 2009 There is no such consideration being made. Phase 1 of SAS is still intended to be fully built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 25, 2009 Share #10 Posted April 25, 2009 It's not so much that, but every time it's proposed the city is in a state to enact it a few years before some major fiscal crisis. If the had tried to balance its budget or used its surplus money in other ways back in 2004 (like funding for SAS), then this project wouldn't be screwed. Exactly. When the project was first put onto paper, it was just months before the 1929 Market Crash The 70s recession killed the SAS then, when it was finally under construction Now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted April 26, 2009 Share #11 Posted April 26, 2009 Screw the Second Avenue Subway. Just build the BRT or select bus service on the M15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 26, 2009 Share #12 Posted April 26, 2009 Screw the Second Avenue Subway. Just build the BRT or select bus service on the M15. They are planning to do that, if everything goes well, it will be implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted April 26, 2009 Share #13 Posted April 26, 2009 And... I'm supposed to be surprised? Haha no. At this rate, I'd say phase 4 will be done in ~2100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted April 26, 2009 Share #14 Posted April 26, 2009 BS. They should've never demolished the 3rd Av EL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted April 26, 2009 Share #15 Posted April 26, 2009 BS. They should've never demolished the 3rd Av EL... And/or the 2nd.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PelhamExpress6 Posted April 26, 2009 Share #16 Posted April 26, 2009 I think that phase 1 of the SAS should be complete with the 63 Street connection with the . This will atleast relieve some congestion because the runs up 2 Avenue then to West Midtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted April 26, 2009 Share #17 Posted April 26, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted April 26, 2009 Share #18 Posted April 26, 2009 They are planning to do that, if everything goes well, it will be implemented. They should have been done by now or long time ago. The same with the SAS. MTA poorly mismanagement agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted April 26, 2009 Share #19 Posted April 26, 2009 They should have been done by now or long time ago. The same with the SAS. MTA poorly mismanagement agency. It amazes me that anyone would believe anything the says. Mismanagement and/or criminal incompetence runs through this so-called public benefit authority and it's been obvious for years. That's my opinion anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homeslice Posted April 27, 2009 Share #20 Posted April 27, 2009 Delayed again, huh. Can anyone say "development hell"? :tdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 27, 2009 Share #21 Posted April 27, 2009 Footdragging :tdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RokuSix Posted April 27, 2009 Share #22 Posted April 27, 2009 I think I may have said this before on this board. Anyway, after researching this, I have come to a theoretical conclusion. The Second Avenue Line is an economic curse. Let's examine it. They tried to build it in the late 20's/ early 30's. Great Depression. The plan came back to life in the 1970s. New York City fiscal crisis. The plan was almost on track in 2008. Economic Implosion. Coincidence or omen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 27, 2009 Share #23 Posted April 27, 2009 I think I may have said this before on this board. Anyway, after researching this, I have come to a theoretical conclusion. The Second Avenue Line is an economic curse. Let's examine it. They tried to build it in the late 20's/ early 30's. Great Depression. The plan came back to life in the 1970s. New York City fiscal crisis. The plan was almost on track in 2008. Economic Implosion. Coincidence or omen? Well, I believe it is more of a 'coinky-dink'. The Second Avenue Subway just happened to be caught with these economic hardships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted April 27, 2009 Share #24 Posted April 27, 2009 Neither, just planning not at its best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 27, 2009 Share #25 Posted April 27, 2009 Neither, just planning not at its best. And misallocation of funds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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