Ken S. Posted April 29, 2009 Share #51 Posted April 29, 2009 That thing looks hot.For our case, we would expect a white bus with a blue stripe. Simple MTA livery. It would be cool to wrap the entire bus with ads. If it worked on the train, why not the bus? Besides, everybody could see the ad. Unless it's for SBS, then it might be wrapped like the D60HFs that are used right now are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 29, 2009 Share #52 Posted April 29, 2009 Unless it's for SBS, then it might be wrapped like the D60HFs that are used right now are. IMO, each SBS line should have its own branding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted April 29, 2009 Share #53 Posted April 29, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 29, 2009 Share #54 Posted April 29, 2009 That one looks very nice, sleek and speedy looking. I hope these colored busses go on +SBS+ but I can tell the doesn't want it, . That's the same bus as the prototypes that ran on the M15 and the Bx12. The only thing is, this bus was wrapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 29, 2009 Share #55 Posted April 29, 2009 Yes, they look sleek and have some 21st century look. I think you've got Swine Flu, . You just brought the Swine Flu in your body, . I know it haven't got the best design but it should work perfectly with +SBS+, ! Please man, the swine flu is no joking matter. If I see this subject appearing as a joking matter like that in anybody's posts, I will report it. This is not cool. Okay, back on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 29, 2009 Share #56 Posted April 29, 2009 I'm fine with the D60HF's running on the SBS, they surely was picking up speed fast, even today with the hot weather I seen 5761 just tearing Pelham Parkway up. They aren't built for this but they surely are holding up well to the job. I would pick the D60HF over the LFS-A anyday, though now I ain't going to lie, I wish they refitted the SBS Artics with S60 engines as seen in BeeLine Neoplans and the older MCIs in the MTA. This is because these D60HF's aren't too good in the summer time and plus the uphills where they need power at, they don't got much power with the AC on. Those Neoplans at BeeLine still flying like a bat out of hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 29, 2009 Share #57 Posted April 29, 2009 IMO, when the M15 SBS is up and running, they should put the NF artics on it first to see how well they could handle the crowds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJC Posted April 29, 2009 Share #58 Posted April 29, 2009 D60HF is fine on SBS bx-12... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted April 29, 2009 Share #59 Posted April 29, 2009 I'm fine with the D60HF's running on the SBS D60HF is fine on SBS bx-12... Thank you very much....I totally agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted April 29, 2009 Share #60 Posted April 29, 2009 Sorry to be a bus n00b, but what is Select Bus Service? What makes it different than any other local/limited bus route? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted April 29, 2009 Share #61 Posted April 29, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted April 29, 2009 Share #62 Posted April 29, 2009 Sorry to be a bus n00b, but what is Select Bus Service? What makes it different than any other local/limited bus route? If you know what bus rapid transit is, then you know what SBS is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eli Posted May 2, 2009 Share #63 Posted May 2, 2009 I'm fine with the D60HF's running on the SBS, they surely was picking up speed fast, even today with the hot weather I seen 5761 just tearing Pelham Parkway up. They aren't built for this but they surely are holding up well to the job. I would pick the D60HF over the LFS-A anyday, though now I ain't going to lie, I wish they refitted the SBS Artics with S60 engines as seen in BeeLine Neoplans and the older MCIs in the MTA. This is because these D60HF's aren't too good in the summer time and plus the uphills where they need power at, they don't got much power with the AC on. Those Neoplans at BeeLine still flying like a bat out of hell. Well there's NO need to repower the D60HF to DD60,the DD50 is fine and it anyways uses Allison B-500R WTEC transmission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted May 2, 2009 Share #64 Posted May 2, 2009 Aw man, I wanted the MTA to buy some new new flyer artics like these.. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2134/2257455388_119fb843a3.jpg?v=0 Anyways I hope FLA ENY and JG get some artics out of this order. Routes like the B12, B15, B35 and B68 need artics. The MTA can save money buy running artics on these routes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted May 2, 2009 Share #65 Posted May 2, 2009 Sorry to be a bus n00b, but what is Select Bus Service? What makes it different than any other local/limited bus route? It's a bootleg bus rapid transit route. The MTA, after understanding the fact that it will be a slower route compared to BRT routes around the world, decided to call it SBS, as opposed to bus rapid transit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engineerboy6561 Posted May 2, 2009 Share #66 Posted May 2, 2009 I personally diagree with the decision to use the LFSAs on SBS. I went through the specs for the Citaro, the NABI BRT, and the Nova LFSA, and I found that the LFSA has 16 fewer seats than the BRT, which is a major problem considering how packed the Bx12 SBS getes on a regular basis. At the same time, the Citaro has eight fewer seats in the three-door model than the LFSA, but it has a total combined seating and standee capacity of 158 people. Plus it has an additional 24 horsepower (354 vs 330) and should thus be able to handle the hills, in particular the incline from Fordham Plaza to the Grand Concourse, far better than the LFSA will. Finally, the LFSA is the ugliest out of all three models. Thus, I think we should get NABIS for SBS lines and Citaros for hilly high-capacity lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted May 2, 2009 Share #67 Posted May 2, 2009 I personally diagree with the decision to use the LFSAs on SBS. I went through the specs for the Citaro, the NABI BRT, and the Nova LFSA, and I found that the LFSA has 16 fewer seats than the BRT, which is a major problem considering how packed the Bx12 SBS getes on a regular basis. At the same time, the Citaro has eight fewer seats in the three-door model than the LFSA, but it has a total combined seating and standee capacity of 158 people. Plus it has an additional 24 horsepower (354 vs 330) and should thus be able to handle the hills, in particular the incline from Fordham Plaza to the Grand Concourse, far better than the LFSA will. Finally, the LFSA is the ugliest out of all three models. Thus, I think we should get NABIS for SBS lines and Citaros for hilly high-capacity lines. The thing is, it is the LFSAs that the MTA is currently ordering (or will be ordering), not Citaros or NABIs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted May 2, 2009 Share #68 Posted May 2, 2009 Whatever happened to the $1 Billion budget deficit? These buses are needed as a partial replacement also for older artics which are now 12 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted May 2, 2009 Share #69 Posted May 2, 2009 Well there's NO need to repower the D60HF to DD60,the DD50 is fine and it anyways uses Allison B-500R WTEC transmission.TTMG said they got that B400R, and since when B500Rs got only 5 gears? Never.These buses are needed as a partial replacement also for older artics which are now 12 years old.But they're in good condition, they sure are better than the ones up here in the Bronx mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eli Posted May 3, 2009 Share #70 Posted May 3, 2009 TTMG said they got that B400R, and since when B500Rs got only 5 gears? Never. the 1990-2000 and 2002-2004 D60HF have B500R. the 1996-1998 D60HF have B400R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eli Posted May 3, 2009 Share #71 Posted May 3, 2009 Aw man, I wanted the MTA to buy some new new flyer artics like these.. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2134/2257455388_119fb843a3.jpg?v=0 Anyways I hope FLA ENY and JG get some artics out of this order. Routes like the B12, B15, B35 and B68 need artics. The MTA can save money buy running artics on these routes! well that won't happen,sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted May 3, 2009 Share #72 Posted May 3, 2009 the 1990-2000 and 2002-2004 D60HF have B500R. the 1996-1998 D60HF have B400R. Alright I ain't going to waste my time arguing over transmissions I know what the Artics have already.. Back on topic. What MTA should do is send them LFSA to Brooklyn, why does the Bronx have Artics but Brooklyn don't?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDBusBuilder Posted May 17, 2009 Share #73 Posted May 17, 2009 I was hoping they would consider getting the mercedes Citaro instead of Nova. Daimler will not have a Citaro design ready for production in north america before 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDBusBuilder Posted May 17, 2009 Share #74 Posted May 17, 2009 I personally diagree with the decision to use the LFSAs on SBS. I went through the specs for the Citaro, the NABI BRT, and the Nova LFSA, and I found that the LFSA has 16 fewer seats than the BRT, which is a major problem considering how packed the Bx12 SBS getes on a regular basis. At the same time, the Citaro has eight fewer seats in the three-door model than the LFSA, but it has a total combined seating and standee capacity of 158 people. Plus it has an additional 24 horsepower (354 vs 330) and should thus be able to handle the hills, in particular the incline from Fordham Plaza to the Grand Concourse, far better than the LFSA will. Finally, the LFSA is the ugliest out of all three models. Thus, I think we should get NABIS for SBS lines and Citaros for hilly high-capacity lines. The Citaro model that was paraded around last year was a european bus, straight off the streets of Germany, brought to the US. The spec sheet on that bus is not the same as the bus that Daimler will bring to market in North America. The citaro will be significantly re-engineered to meet north american standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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