553 Bridgeton Posted April 27, 2009 Share #26 Posted April 27, 2009 What are you talking about???? Lol the day the 4 runs local on a WEEKDAY between 10 & 3 would be pure hell on earth. Guy dont know what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted April 27, 2009 Share #27 Posted April 27, 2009 How does the MTA have money for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexAveExp5 Posted April 27, 2009 Share #28 Posted April 27, 2009 Trains have been terminating at bowling green since how long? Now they want the to deliver lost tourists into brooklyn. Awesome plan! :mad: If this goes through, which i hope it won't, there would be absolutely no more use of the south ferry loop tracks aside from off peak storage and unplanned reroutes. - A lmao @ lost tourists in Brooklyn! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 27, 2009 Share #29 Posted April 27, 2009 What are you talking about???? Frankly, I have NO idea! Well, yeah, presumably the only loss is along Jerome. And I agree that there are cases where the 4 is overserved. A memorable instance is a train would pull up at Bedford Park at 3 something PM. It leaves. Not even 2 minutes passed, another one would pull up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTrainExp Posted April 27, 2009 Share #30 Posted April 27, 2009 I think this plan would fail dramatically. If anything, it's the that should be getting more service. ________ The already runs down to Brooklyn College along with the and the which defeats the purpose of doing that. If they wanted "extra-trains" then bring some R142s onto the during rush hours. Plus, the gets really crowded. It sees a flood of users mainly because it's right next to a chain of schools around that area. The Bronx portion of the is served jointly with the Wakefield-bound trains. The only section that the is independently operated is the Dyre avenue stub. They should improve service there and keep the way it is and maybe take out 1 or 2 trains and make them a during the rush-hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted April 27, 2009 Share #31 Posted April 27, 2009 Now they want the to deliver lost tourists into brooklyn. Awesome plan! :mad: HAHAHAHA!!! :cool::cool::cool: :tup::tup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 27, 2009 Share #32 Posted April 27, 2009 I think this plan would fail dramatically. If anything, it's the that should be getting more service. ________ The already runs down to Brooklyn College along with the and the which defeats the purpose of doing that. If they wanted "extra-trains" then bring some R142s onto the during rush hours. Plus, the gets really crowded. It sees a flood of users mainly because it's right next to a chain of schools around that area. The Bronx portion of the is served jointly with the Wakefield-bound trains. The only section that the is independently operated is the Dyre avenue stub. They should improve service there and keep the way it is and maybe take out 1 or 2 trains and make them a during the rush-hour. While I agree with you that the Bronx will lose out in this because there is a great demand for travel to/from the area, usually students (Bronx Science, Lehman COllege, Walton, Clinton, American Studies), this operation is better in terms of operation, IMO. IINM, 2 trains and 5 trains switch at Flatbush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted April 27, 2009 Share #33 Posted April 27, 2009 What are you talking about???? I think hes trying to say that if there was a General Order during the Midday Service, would this mean the Will run on the from 149th Mott Ave to Nevins Street lol. If thats the case, all I can say is Yes! Otherwise the would cause delays on the White Plains rd line if its up here in the bronx to brooklyn or on the Eastern Pkways Line from Brooklyn to Bronx... For the To bowling Green erm.. That will never happen UNLESS there is some track work over the City Hall Loop Tracks or something lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 27, 2009 Share #34 Posted April 27, 2009 HAHAHAHA!!! :cool::cool::cool: :tup::tup: Yeah and they would most likely be holding antiquated maps of the subway. Ones that still mark Bowling Green as the daytime terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted April 27, 2009 Share #35 Posted April 27, 2009 I think this plan would fail dramatically. If anything, it's the that should be getting more service. ________ The already runs down to Brooklyn College along with the and the which defeats the purpose of doing that. If they wanted "extra-trains" then bring some R142s onto the during rush hours. Plus, the gets really crowded. It sees a flood of users mainly because it's right next to a chain of schools around that area. The Bronx portion of the is served jointly with the Wakefield-bound trains. The only section that the is independently operated is the Dyre avenue stub. They should improve service there and keep the way it is and maybe take out 1 or 2 trains and make them a during the rush-hour. The does NOT go to brooklyn college nor the .. ( to Utica and to New Lots), you would have to connect with the anywhere from Borough Hall to Franklin for that.. What I would do is redo the Rogers Street Junction instead of having the Nostrand train cross on the Local to the Express same heading SB.. Which also delays the Local. @Hudson River The does go to 238th WPR during peak direction. AM to Manhattan and PM to 238th, with some express service from E180th to Gun Hill. Some Does end at Gun Hill tho.. It goes there mainly to head to the 239th Yd for storage.. And allow lex customers to access the WPR Line with out transfering to the same going down.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 27, 2009 Share #36 Posted April 27, 2009 Rogers Avenue seriously needs some re-doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted April 28, 2009 Share #37 Posted April 28, 2009 I'm saying it's a bad idea because they're cutting train service, which has rush-hour type headways during the entire day. Now it's going to have weekend-type headways during middays, and that's a loss for Jerome Av. I welcome the 1-seat ride to Lex from Nostrand Av, but not at the loss of train service. Let's just see how many people use it, because often times during rush hour, I see people transferring from the to the at Franklin rather than waiting for the . Let's see if that happens now during the middays. Because during the pm rush, for instance , one can change at Franklin Ave from the to a or a from Utica Ave or New Lots and be ahead of the train that follows that from Flatbush. If you're rushing to Manhattan or heading up Jerome Ave it's the smart thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted April 28, 2009 Share #38 Posted April 28, 2009 Trains have been terminating at bowling green since how long? Now they want the to deliver lost tourists into brooklyn. Awesome plan! :mad: If this goes through, which i hope it won't, there would be absolutely no more use of the south ferry loop tracks aside from off peak storage and unplanned reroutes. - A There is no IF, it's in the new work programs and scheduled to begin in late June. And those loop tracks will still be used after the last heads to Brooklyn in the evening and for a few trains during the rush hours. What's so special about the loop anyway ? Since the stopped using it who cares ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted April 28, 2009 Share #39 Posted April 28, 2009 Rogers Avenue seriously needs some re-doing. seriously needs some $$$$$ LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted April 28, 2009 Share #40 Posted April 28, 2009 all this means for me is I can quit counting on getting a to and from Wall St during the day simply to get a seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted April 28, 2009 Share #41 Posted April 28, 2009 I think that it would be simple to make the go to utica ave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted April 28, 2009 Share #42 Posted April 28, 2009 I think that it would be simple to make the go to utica ave Ah it does that during Limited rush hours and it also goes to New Lots Avenue....so that won't make any sense to send it to Crown Heights-Utica Avenue during mid-day hours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted April 28, 2009 Share #43 Posted April 28, 2009 I don't see why people are upset over this. Your rationale is that will have an equal headway to the instead of having a very short one. The does not even need that much service because the train is about a block away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMan Posted April 28, 2009 Author Share #44 Posted April 28, 2009 Here's another source: No. 5 Service extension while Bronx & Brooklyn No. 4 riders, prepare for smoother commute. The MTA is looking to ferry No. 5 trains into Brooklyn beyond the rush hour, when they currently terminate at the Bowling Green station. The proposal, along with the start of the so called doomesday bus cuts, which is expected to be approve by the MTA board next week, would extend all No. 5 service to both the Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College and Utica Ave stop between 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. The change would begin in June 2009 if passed. MTA officals are considering this change to address the growing issue of overcrowding at No. 4 stations between Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall and the Atlantic Ave station during the lunch time period weekdays. Currently the no. 4 is the only full time Lex Ave line that operates to Brooklyn other than rush hours. But the shift comes at the expense of No. 4 riders due to lack of available track along the Lex line. The agency would run four fewer No. 4 trains along the line during the same weekday midday time period, causing some additional crowding on the line, according to MTA documents. So No. 4 riders boarding between Woodlawn and 149th St may now have to wait for a train that arrives every 8-10 minutes instead of every 4-5 minutes currently under this revised schedule change. “It’s a tradeoff,” said William Henderson, executive director of the Permanent Citizens Advisory Committee to the MTA. The expanded service would not cost additional cash, according to the proposal. It would also better balance the schedules between the No. 2, 3 and 4 trains, officials said. At the same time by next year No. 5 weekend riders could suffer from a rumored end of weekend Manhattan service if a second set of doomesday cuts occurs. Source: AM New York April 22, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 28, 2009 Share #45 Posted April 28, 2009 I don't see why people are upset over this. Your rationale is that will have an equal headway to the instead of having a very short one. The does not even need that much service because the train is about a block away. In fact, people should ride the B/D during the rush period. There's more seating and the D is express along Concourse. During regular hours, the D provides rather frequent service along Concourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJC Posted April 29, 2009 Share #46 Posted April 29, 2009 Why some people are calling New Lots Zoo lots?it's New Lots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 29, 2009 Share #47 Posted April 29, 2009 Why some people are calling New Lots Zoo lots?it's New Lots. Matter of preference, much? And pun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted April 29, 2009 Share #48 Posted April 29, 2009 Wait a second... when this happens the would most likely get some of the (4)'s R142A's since the will be running less before and the running more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelham Bay Dave Posted April 29, 2009 Share #49 Posted April 29, 2009 Nope the Line is not giving up any equipment they just lay them up during middays instead of running them all afternoon. The just will store fewer trains and have them operate in the afternoon instead of laying them up at Zoo Lots or E 180 St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted April 29, 2009 Share #50 Posted April 29, 2009 Wait a second... when this happens the would most likely get some of the (4)'s R142A's since the will be running less before and the running more If trains are going to be transferred to a certain yard, I believe the R142s at Jerome would be transfered over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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