mark1447 Posted May 13, 2009 Share #51 Posted May 13, 2009 Since when is every car on a line stored in its yard at once? That is my question. He means not all of the cars, Some stay in the yard, some could be layed up and the rest are in service.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted May 13, 2009 Share #52 Posted May 13, 2009 Interesting, however according to the information I was previously given, the order is 409 cars. Then you must not have seen this source: http://www.mta.info/nyct/procure/contracts/r34188sol.pdf and if you have, then you must have mis-counted. oh, and 409 doesn't divide out evenly to 11. you get this: 37.18 repeating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted May 13, 2009 Share #53 Posted May 13, 2009 and some additional tidbits: there are currently 37 full R62A trains assigned to Corona Yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted May 13, 2009 Share #54 Posted May 13, 2009 Then you must not have seen this source:http://www.mta.info/nyct/procure/contracts/r34188sol.pdf and if you have, then you must have mis-counted. oh, and 409 doesn't divide out evenly to 11. you get this: 37.18 repeating and some additional tidbits:there are currently 37 full R62A trains assigned to Corona Yard. Oh yeah, after adding all of the mentioned numbers, the sum does arrive to 506 cars. However there are 409 R62As at Corona currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted May 13, 2009 Share #55 Posted May 13, 2009 Are you serious? I'm sure you've ridden a R68A. They are in excellent condition. So are the R160B's and R62's. If you didn't know, the R68As are my second favorite cars because they are extremely quiet and have the least problems among the SMEEs. To me, the R68As are the only good trains that Kawasaki had built because they are so quiet. The R142A, R143, and R160B are just too loud for NTTs during accelerations, idlings, and runs when compared to those of the R142 (seriously those large HVAC units are still quieter than those of Kawasaki trains), and R160A. Likewise, the R62s are much louder than the R62As and even the R44s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted May 13, 2009 Share #56 Posted May 13, 2009 If you didn't know, the R68As are my second favorite cars because they are extremely quiet and have the least problems among the SMEEs. To me, the R68As are the only good trains that Kawasaki had built because they are so quiet. The R142A, R143, and R160B are just too loud for NTTs during accelerations, idlings, and runs when compared to those of the R142 (seriously those large HVAC units are still quieter than those of Kawasaki trains), and R160A. Likewise, the R62s are much louder than the R62As and even the R44s. Yeah but being loud doesn't mean having a life expectancy of 20 years. The 60' SMEE's are loud (especially the R32's) and they are lasting 40+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted May 13, 2009 Share #57 Posted May 13, 2009 Yeah but being loud doesn't mean having a life expectancy of 20 years. The 60' SMEE's are loud (especially the R32's) and they are lasting 40+ years. Oh no that's not what I meant. I'm comparing the fleets to that of the Shinkansen fleet. For example, the 500 series which had only been running since 1997 had all of its sets stripped for local services or retired this year. The 400 series, which debutted in 1992 are currently being replaced by the E3-2000 series. All of the Shinkansen fleet are primarily produced by Kawasaki and by the look of it, they all have short lives with the exception of the 0 series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted May 14, 2009 Share #58 Posted May 14, 2009 Oh no that's not what I meant. I'm comparing the fleets to that of the Shinkansen fleet. For example, the 500 series which had only been running since 1997 had all of its sets stripped for local services or retired this year. The 400 series, which debutted in 1992 are currently being replaced by the E3-2000 series. All of the Shinkansen fleet are primarily produced by Kawasaki and by the look of it, they all have short lives with the exception of the 0 series. Oh, ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted May 14, 2009 Share #59 Posted May 14, 2009 Oh no that's not what I meant. I'm comparing the fleets to that of the Shinkansen fleet. For example, the 500 series which had only been running since 1997 had all of its sets stripped for local services or retired this year. The 400 series, which debutted in 1992 are currently being replaced by the E3-2000 series. All of the Shinkansen fleet are primarily produced by Kawasaki and by the look of it, they all have short lives with the exception of the 0 series. Those are high-speed trains and probably have a set lower life expentancy than regular railcars. Anyway, IDK what planet you're from if you think Kawasaki HVACs are louder than those R142s... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted May 14, 2009 Share #60 Posted May 14, 2009 Those are high-speed trains and probably have a set lower life expentancy than regular railcars. Anyway, IDK what planet you're from if you think Kawasaki HVACs are louder than those R142s... I'm hoping he means Alstom. Stand at Union Square-14th Street on the . You're ears are going to get blown away with that HVAC noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted May 14, 2009 Share #61 Posted May 14, 2009 I'm hoping he means Alstom. Stand at Union Square-14th Street on the . You're ears are going to get blown away with that HVAC noise. Maybe not that quiet with the R142s, but certainly the R160As. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted May 14, 2009 Share #62 Posted May 14, 2009 Those are high-speed trains and probably have a set lower life expentancy than regular railcars. Anyway, IDK what planet you're from if you think Kawasaki HVACs are louder than those R142s... The HVAC's are louder on the 142's than on the 142A's. You're last statement is one-hundred percent false. It shows that you don't know anything. 33rd Street, thats what he said. I've also noticed that lately you've been telling R160B8713 he doesn't know anything in a very rude way. Please stop being rude to other members of the forum, and if you have anything against him for some reason, solve it in a PM. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted May 14, 2009 Share #63 Posted May 14, 2009 ok, let me clear up another point: R142's have Bombardier HVACs which are annoyingly loud R142A's, R143's, and all R160's have Melco HVACS, which are quite a bit softer on the ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted May 14, 2009 Share #64 Posted May 14, 2009 Guys it's fine, my bad with the confusion. I've always thought of the R142s like the R160As, but had only rode on them once or twice whereas I rode the R160As numerous times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted May 14, 2009 Share #65 Posted May 14, 2009 Slighty off topic but the PA5 doesn't make any HAVC noise at all. The one time I rode I didn't hear any HAVC noise so if PATH can spec a train with a quiet HAVC unit then why not NYCT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted May 14, 2009 Share #66 Posted May 14, 2009 The PA-5's are new generation cars that began manufacturing in 08. specs for the HVACs of those cars are newer than NYC's incoming R160s. the TA wouldn't change the specs of the HVACs just to make them quieter when they are halfway through receiving the order. However it is a possibility that the R179's and the 186 new cars ordered as part of the R188 contract might have these newer HVACs, however, we do not know what the make of the HVACs are since PATH is pretty secretive when it comes to specific car specifications. face it, we only know that the PA-5's are manufactured by Kawasaki and that they have Siemens propulsion, but that's pretty much it. on the other hand, we have complete spec sheets for NYC's rolling stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted May 14, 2009 Share #67 Posted May 14, 2009 Since when is every car on a line stored in its yard at once? That is my question. Not every car on a given line is stored in the yard overnight. What I was pointing out is that the line itself has never used that amount of cars even when they ran more service. The 500+ number exceeds the capacity of the line itself, including the yard space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted May 14, 2009 Share #68 Posted May 14, 2009 The 500+ number exceeds the capacity of the line itself, including the yard space. I'll take the extras :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted May 14, 2009 Share #69 Posted May 14, 2009 Those are high-speed trains and probably have a set lower life expentancy than regular railcars. Actually, Alstom's TGV Sud-Est from 1981 still has no plans of retirement. In fact, they can probably last for another decade or so. Now that's over 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted May 14, 2009 Share #70 Posted May 14, 2009 Then you must not have seen this source:http://www.mta.info/nyct/procure/contracts/r34188sol.pdf and if you have, then you must have mis-counted. oh, and 409 doesn't divide out evenly to 11. you get this: 37.18 repeating and some additional tidbits:there are currently 37 full R62A trains assigned to Corona Yard. Oh yeah, after adding all of the mentioned numbers, the sum does arrive to 506 cars. However there are 409 R62As at Corona currently. Not every car on a given line is stored in the yard overnight. What I was pointing out is that the line itself has never used that amount of cars even when they ran more service. The 500+ number exceeds the capacity of the line itself, including the yard space. Need i say more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYtransit Posted May 14, 2009 Author Share #71 Posted May 14, 2009 They did, but the test on the failed. Otherwise, IINM, the would have gotten them first (or at least a priority). no the R142A passed remember in april 2008 when the R142A ran on the flushing line? (the taking of pelham 123) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted May 14, 2009 Share #72 Posted May 14, 2009 That was a modified R62A. They couldn't use an R142A due to the cars being linked into 5-car sets. They actually did took a R142/A to Flushing and modified a single R62A car. The single car was then attached to the train, IINM. But again, that train was never in passenger service. It's just a prop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted May 14, 2009 Share #73 Posted May 14, 2009 Not every car on a given line is stored in the yard overnight. What I was pointing out is that the line itself has never used that amount of cars even when they ran more service. The 500+ number exceeds the capacity of the line itself, including the yard space. but remember, once they are done with the extension there are supposed to be several layup tracks down at 11th ave and 23rd street. also, it is known that they lay up extra cars on the express track when it is not in use. with the planned fleet expansion, there will be an additional 9 trains (37 R62A to 46 R188). I'm sure that they will be able to store the extra trains in the layup at 23rd street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted May 14, 2009 Share #74 Posted May 14, 2009 Well, there are 460 R142A's at Wechester Yard for the but would they all be enough for 11-car sets on the ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted May 14, 2009 Share #75 Posted May 14, 2009 Well, there are 460 R142A's at Wechester Yard for the but would they all be enough for 11-car sets on the ? According to the math that some of us did, the expected number of cars for the will be 507. Chances are, they might take R142As from Jerome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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