R160B Option One Order: One More Train To Go

[MTR Admiralty]

I heard that 9212 entered service recently and 9232 arrived on property. Yet to be confirmed though.

[Maserati7200]

I heard that 9212 entered service recently and 9323 arrived on property. Yet to be confirmed though.

 

R160A 94xx's are already in service, why would 9323 just be arriving?

[MTR Admiralty]

R160A 94xx's are already in service, why would 9323 just be arriving?

I meant 9232. Typo.

[Maserati7200]

I meant 9232. Typo.

 

Oh, ok

[kawasaki3]

kawasaki i think is giong to buillt 240 cars R160B?

kawasaki have option 1 that there going to built 140 cars of R160B?

option2 there going to built 100 cars R160B?

that all together 240 cars R160B that kawasaki going to built R160B?

fitrst car number that you known #9593 - #9732 ( 140 cars

built by kawasaki)

 

100 cars i dont known is for the r160B could be '#9733 - #9832

[Fan Railer]

kawasaki i think is giong to buillt 240 cars R160B?

kawasaki have option 1 that there going to built 140 cars of R160B?

option2 there going to built 100 cars R160B?

that all together 240 cars R160B that kawasaki going to built R160B?

fitrst car number that you known #9593 - #9732 ( 140 cars

built by kawasaki)

 

100 cars i dont known is for the r160B could be '#9733 - #9832

 

Kawasaki order breakdown:

 

Base order: 260 (8713-8972)

Opt 1: 260 (8973-9232)

Opt 2: 140 (? but includes 98xx)

 

half siemens, half alstom

[MTR Admiralty]

Kawasaki order breakdown:

 

Base order: 260 (8713-8972)

Opt 1: 260 (8973-9232)

Opt 2: 140 (? but includes 98xx)

 

half siemens, half alstom

Yeah, in a specific Alstom press release I read somewhere, Alstom said specificially that it will install its propulsion system in half of the R160B second order.

[MTR Admiralty]

I could assure you that the 68's are NOT going to Pitkin/207. The has a better chance to have 160's then 68's on the

Plus R160s are better suited for OPTO.

[R32 3348]

the 1st 2 you are right, The Op II is going to jamaica to ONLY Bump Off The Remaining SMEE's At Jamaica only, Not to send more R46's to Pitkin, The remaining R32's will stay at 207th st until another Order or R179 replace those remaining R32's at 207th st.

 

Also Option Order II is only for the R40M/42's at Jamaica and The remaining R32's at Jamaica, The R40M/42 and the 6 R32's at concourse were not replaced by the R160 Option Order I, They just took those cars OOS and they are pending Reefing, If you see the poster about the Less trains during both the AM/PM rush its not all because of the Track work being done at Grand Ave (that would be done by the 2nd week of June), Its because of Jamiaca retireing cars that have problems and bring them to Concourse Yd and this won't End until December 31st, The Remaining Option Order I that are coming in cars Are ONLY Replacing the slants and a few of the remaining R40M's and sending the R46's to Pitkin, and By the way another R46 will go to pitkin tonight.

If they are pending reefing that means they were replaced. The wouldn't take cars that have problems OOS unless they didn't need to be fixed because they would then be replaced by new trains coming into service. If the cars don't have replacements then they're just fixed. Also, there are enough R160s to replace the remaining R32s.

 

see, here's the problem that i keep comming across...

if you think logically, the highest R160 number you can get to without hitting 10000 is 9997. and if they keep ordering more, plus the R179's and the R188's, are there gonna be enough numbers from the SMEE's to cover all those car types?

They will recycle car numbers. The R179s will likely be numbered something like 2925-3199 or so.

Oh that's bad, really bad. It might even predict that the A will get the R68s while the D gets the newest fleet that replaces the R46s. Now the G getting R160s is more certain.

What? No R68s are going to Pitkin.

[R32 3838]

If they are pending reefing that means they were replaced. The wouldn't take cars that have problems OOS unless they didn't need to be fixed because they would then be replaced by new trains coming into service. If the cars don't have replacements then they're just fixed. Also, there are enough R160s to replace the remaining R32s.

 

 

They will recycle car numbers. The R179s will likely be numbered something like 2925-3199 or so.

 

What? No R68s are going to Pitkin.

 

Trust Me, Those Retierd R40M's and R42's are not replaced by the Option Order I R160's, Those Cars had major Problems that's why they went to CCYD, An TSS told me that those cars were in Bad Shape.

[R110B]

probably the E.

option 2 will take care of any stragglers still on the queens blvd line and the resulting fleet changes should cause the to be 99% r160 (always weird stuff happening during GO's)

yep always sumtimes its almost predictable.

[R110B]

Trust Me, Those Retierd R40M's and R42's are not replaced by the Option Order I R160's, Those Cars had major Problems that's why they went to CCYD, An TSS told me that those cars were in Bad Shape.

and they falling fast due to the wear nd tear.

[R32 3348]

Though the slants ARE going very fast, there's only around 30-40 of them left in service....yeah, GET YOUR LAST RIDES IN! I'm doing so on Monday and Tuesday.

[R32 3838]

Though the slants ARE going very fast, there's only around 30-40 of them left in service....yeah, GET YOUR LAST RIDES IN! I'm doing so on Monday and Tuesday.

 

Yep, Saw one yesterday but the dispacher at Far Rockaway took it out of service, So I took the R32 back instead. There are only 42-44 R40 slants left. I got a shot of it and I will post them as soon as I get a Chance.

[Art Vandelay]

Prior to the initiation of retirements caused by R160s, the 60' SMEE fleets numbered as follows:

592 R32

196 R38

292 R40S

99 R40M

389 R42

 

That is only 32 lost cars, for a total of 1568 cars requiring replacement.

The R160 order as it stands is for 1662 cars.

 

That is enough to fully replace the R32-R42 fleets, expand the C to full length trains, and up the spare factor by a bit.

[MTR Admiralty]

Prior to the initiation of retirements caused by R160s, the 60' SMEE fleets numbered as follows:

592 R32

196 R38

292 R40S

99 R40M

389 R42

 

That is only 32 lost cars, for a total of 1568 cars requiring replacement.

The R160 order as it stands is for 1662 cars.

 

That is enough to fully replace the R32-R42 fleets, expand the C to full length trains, and up the spare factor by a bit.

Exactly, there really isn't a need for a third optional order.

[Maserati7200]

Prior to the initiation of retirements caused by R160s, the 60' SMEE fleets numbered as follows:

592 R32

196 R38

292 R40S

99 R40M

389 R42

 

That is only 32 lost cars, for a total of 1568 cars requiring replacement.

The R160 order as it stands is for 1662 cars.

 

That is enough to fully replace the R32-R42 fleets, expand the C to full length trains, and up the spare factor by a bit.

 

I hope R32 3838 sees this post

[R32 3838]

I see it and Its Wrong, Im not going to explan no more You will see in the Futrue how many SMEE's are left after this order.

[MTR Admiralty]

I see it and Its Wrong, Im not going to explan no more You will see in the Futrue how many SMEE's are left after this order.

How is it wrong?

[Fan Railer]

yeah, it might not be 100% accurate, but it's a pretty good estimate.

 

bottom line is that there are enough R160's to replace all the 60 ft SMEE's.

end of story.

[R44 5278]

3838, are you unsure b/c of what nycsubway.org used to say? If I remember correctly it's base order:All R38, All R32 GE, All CI R42, Option I (If taken): all R40 Slant, All R32 Phase II, Option II (If Taken): MK R42s with probably some remaining for services and perhaps some R44s. I think that info was typed up completely by a foamer who clearly didn't know the number cars in each order. Option II itself doesn't even have enough cars to replace all R44s and the MK R42s altogether. Anyhow, the base order retired the R32 Phase IIs instead along with the GE R32s and CI R42s as the R38s were bumped onto the first option.

[Art Vandelay]

How is it wrong?

I can detail where each number comes from:

R32- of the 593 cars rebuilt, I subtracted 1(3620) which was retired immediately upon delivery from GOH. It had been damaged, (To be honest, I don't know how, and don't believe the actual cause was ever determined) That leaves 592. If you wanted to, you could have included one of the many parts pairs of GE R32s. While they were constantly restored, for probably half of the time since GOH, one of these pairs was pulled to provide parts for the other 8. I don't know if one of these pairs were factored into the calculations of how large the R160 order should be. At minimum, one could say the R32 fleet numbered 590. 3620 and the GEs were on the first two barges of cars replaced by the R160s.

 

R38- of the 196 R38s rebuilt, I included all in the count. One could make an argument that pair 4088-9 should not be included. I included it because even though they last saw service in the 1990s, they had been carried on the active roster until they were stripped for reefing, and some attempts had been made to restore them to service. At minimum, one could say the R38 fleet numbered 194. 4088-9 were among the first cars sunk after the retirements caused by R160s began.

 

R40S- Of the 396 cars rebuilt, I subtracted 4. 4259-4260, and 4427-4428. 4259-4260 were involved in accidents on the 4th ave line in 1994-5. 4427-4428 were involved in the Bushwick Aberdeen accident on the L Line. 4427-4428 and 4260 were scrapped around 2001, 4259 was to be repaired, and work had started on it, until it was realized that it would be nearing the completion of its restoration at the time it was to be retired, and efforts were placed elsewhere. 4259 was on one of the first two barges. Interestingly, while 4259-4260 and 4427-4428 are consecutively numbered, neither consisted of a pair. 4258-4261 and 4426-4429 were the resultant pairs after this incident.

 

R40M- Of the 100 cars rebuilt, I only removed one, car 4461. 4461 was involved in the Williamsburg Bridge accident. It recieved the nose, the "even car" parts and the numbers of 4260. While it was fully restored, and intended to be restored to service, Such never occurred as its intended mate 4259 was never completed.

 

R42 of the 392 R42s rebuilt, I removed 3. 4664 was scrapped after the williamsburg bridge accident(along with 4260(1), 4427, 4428, and unrebuilt R42s 4685/4726). I also included cars 4878 and 4927 in this list. I probably shouldn't have done such, as these cars were retired after the R160 fleet was ordered. 4878 had been in a fire, and I believe 4927 was simply an unreliable car(not sure as to details), so they chose to remove it from service instead of the undamaged 4879. I did not include the 8 cars in the chambers wreck in this count, as they had been retired well after the first R42s were reefed.

 

While these cars had been retired in the past, I wouldnt consider the R160s to be replacements for them. If anything replaced them(and the wrecked R44s), it would be the R143 order.

 

As the above numbers show, the R160s can replace ALL remaining SMEEs and still expand the fleet.

[R32 3838]

3838, are you unsure b/c of what nycsubway.org used to say? If I remember correctly it's base order:All R38, All R32 GE, All CI R42, Option I (If taken): all R40 Slant, All R32 Phase II, Option II (If Taken): MK R42s with probably some remaining for services and perhaps some R44s. I think that info was typed up completely by a foamer who clearly didn't know the number cars in each order. Option II itself doesn't even have enough cars to replace all R44s and the MK R42s altogether. Anyhow, the base order retired the R32 Phase IIs instead along with the GE R32s and CI R42s as the R38s were bumped onto the first option.

 

1 Wacth your Mouth, That person that Wrote that works for the NYCTA and That person that Wrote That has been Working for the TA for Years so don't call the person a Foamer, Nycsubway.org gets reliable info from TA workers and the Web Master knows NYCTA workers, I looked at How Many SMEE's are Left there are 620 left, There will be 520-480 left after the Option Order I takes Place, 382 R160 Option Order II can't replace all of the 520-480 SMEE's left

 

520-382 =138 or 480-382= 118 SMEE's Left (R32's) so you Can't sit there and tell me that Im a Liar. After Option Order II there will be between 118-138 SMEE's (R32 's) left.

[R32 3348]

There's no point arguing, we will all see when Option II is complete. This thread has run its course anyway, and I don't see how a delivery report spanned 6 pages already...a mod should probably close this.

[R32 3838]

There's no point arguing, we will all see when Option II is complete. This thread has run its course anyway, and I don't see how a delivery report spanned 6 pages already...a mod should probably close this.

 

I agree, We should all wait until this order is complete.