R142/A 340 Posted May 26, 2009 Share #1 Posted May 26, 2009 How comes the does not make the train go express in the bronx?...doesn't it have more stops than the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelham Bay Dave Posted May 26, 2009 Share #2 Posted May 26, 2009 Yeah but most riders in the Bronx prefer Express service via Lexington Ave that why . I can't wait to do that run again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted May 26, 2009 Share #3 Posted May 26, 2009 The was to run Express in the Bronx while the as a Local before 2004~ since at E180th the trains needed to switch, heading to Dyre towards NE, and (238) to White Plains Rd-241st NW. It was to have the as the White Plains Rd Express and as the White Plains Rd Local. So the trains wouldnt be held at E180th to cross, but due to demands for West Side access by people living south of E180th to Jackson, it was canceled~ so now at E180th when the bypasses West Farms, it needs to cross to Local track to get to dyre instead of waiting at E180th for the to crossisng to the M track. Same for the ( 238th) which would cross after West Farms. Sometimes the Dyre would stay at E180th while the goes a head, same as the would stay and goes first~ Man hopfully when I get C/R job , hope to do IRT first~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted May 26, 2009 Share #4 Posted May 26, 2009 How comes the does not make the train go express in the bronx?...doesn't it have more stops than the Politics. The residents of Eastchester have more political clout than the residents of Wakefield. Even though it would be easier at East 180 street to have the 2 run express, the 5 is the express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted May 26, 2009 Share #5 Posted May 26, 2009 more political clout This is what guides policy, not logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Av Posted May 26, 2009 Share #6 Posted May 26, 2009 People living south of the East 180 Street station wanted a one seat ride to the west side to places like Times Square and Penn Station. Even with the Bronx Local, it has a higher ridership than the Bronx Express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted May 28, 2009 Share #7 Posted May 28, 2009 If the could somehow run regular express service in the Bronx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted May 28, 2009 Share #8 Posted May 28, 2009 If the could somehow run regular express service in the Bronx. does not go to the Bronx. It goes to Harlem 148th and 145- Malcolm X. If it went to Bronx County, it would cause delays on the WPR Line, plus people on Malcolm X blvd line(Leonx) who live north of 135th wont have access Uptown or downtown. Some of course does head to the bronx. But to access 239th Yd~ Of course not in service! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RokuSix Posted May 28, 2009 Share #9 Posted May 28, 2009 The 2's heavy crowds lie in the fact that it is local, and some of those stops between East 149th and East 180th are among the most crowded in the Bronx. Therefore, I say it's best that it stays the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted May 28, 2009 Share #10 Posted May 28, 2009 I don't think the issue is which is local or express. Their are a lot of stops between E180th and 149th St. I don't see why Intervale Ave is still up and it's a short distance between Prospect & Simpson Avenue stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted May 28, 2009 Share #11 Posted May 28, 2009 Intervale Ave is haves the lowest ridership on the line, just as I suspected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted May 28, 2009 Share #12 Posted May 28, 2009 Here are the ridership figures for the IRT White Plains Road line (as of 2007): 53. 3rd Avenue-149th Street: 7,095,262 145. 149th Street-Grand Concourse: 3,112,547 162. Simpson Street: 2,816,136 193. Pelham Parkway 2,313,326 199. West Famrs Square-East Tremont Avenue: 2,266,956 201. Prospect Avenue: 2,208,977 208. 174th Street: 2,047,981 238. East 180th Street: 1,824,605 251. Gun Hill Road: 1,739,590 271. Allerton Avenue: 1,574,252 278. Jackson Avenue: 1,527,291 300. 233rd Street: 1,375,404 310. Wakefield-241st Street: 1,272,043 333. 225th Street: 1,095,409 339. Freeman Street: 1,043,539 345. Burke Avenue: 1,019,924 367. Nereid Avenue: 857,763 368. Bronx Park East: 856,682 369. 219th Street: 854,553 373 Intervale Avenue: 826,760 Mind Linking me to the source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted May 29, 2009 Share #13 Posted May 29, 2009 Yeah, it would be better for service to operate express in the Bronx. What they should do is operate the local south of East 180th Street and express north. <5>s to Wakefield can run express south of East 180th Street and local north of it, and the to Dyre would be the full-time Bronx local. Of course there would be need for more (5)s, and the Lexington Avenue Expressse are crowded enough as they are. Maybe when the Second Avenue Subway is complete they could implememt this plan as the new line would alleviate crowding on the Lex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordhamkid7721 Posted May 29, 2009 Share #14 Posted May 29, 2009 Yeah, it would be better for service to operate express in the Bronx. What they should do is operate the local south of East 180th Street and express north. <5>s to Wakefield can run express south of East 180th Street and local north of it, and the to Dyre would be the full-time Bronx local. Of course there would be need for more (5)s, and the Lexington Avenue Expressse are crowded enough as they are. Maybe when the Second Avenue Subway is complete they could implememt this plan as the new line would alleviate crowding on the Lex. I think they should keep it the way it is because that idea sounds a bit confusing to me. Also think of Wakefield and how bad that'd be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted May 29, 2009 Share #15 Posted May 29, 2009 The at this point is fine the way it is. Outside of the the is about the only Seventh Ave that goes through a large portion of the Bronx. I know for a fact its annoying when making all those stops along the White Plains Line locally. But there was a plan to have the Dyre Ave Line connect w/ the Pelham - the could've took advantage of that and there would've been enough space on the White Plains Line to have the run local and the to run express during rush hours http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/1939_IND_Second_System.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted May 29, 2009 Share #16 Posted May 29, 2009 Well, it's just an opinion so no need to get all dramatic over it. And it can't be proven that the needs to get to Manhattan "as quick as possible", except for the only common knowledge fact that the Lexington Line is crowded as hell during rush hours. Yeah, the riders do know what they want, and time will tell that it's time for White Plains Rd-7th Avenue Express through service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted May 29, 2009 Share #17 Posted May 29, 2009 I'm laughing at this post. The is better off runing as the peak direction express for one main reason, the needs to get back into Manhattan as quick as possible. Just to let you know, the doesn't terminate at Wakefield-241st Street. It used to but not any more. Well, it's just an opinion so no need to get all dramatic over it. And it can't be proven that the needs to get to Manhattan "as quick as possible", except for the only common knowledge fact that the Lexington Line is crowded as hell during rush hours. Yeah, the riders do know what they want, and time will tell that it's time for White Plains Rd-7th Avenue Express through service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted May 30, 2009 Share #18 Posted May 30, 2009 except for the only common knowledge fact that the Lexington Line is crowded as hell during rush hours. Well, you nailed that point. If the made every stop down to Manhattan during AM hours, look how packed it would be. The already has crowding issues during this time in Manhattan. If it makes local stops from 180th to 149th, it will only exacerbate the current situation. It's not doing anybody much good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted May 30, 2009 Share #19 Posted May 30, 2009 Well, you nailed that point. If the made every stop down to Manhattan during AM hours, look how packed it would be. The already has crowding issues during this time in Manhattan. If it makes local stops from 180th to 149th, it will only exacerbate the current situation. It's not doing anybody much good. Yeah you bring a point. The , if I'm correct, is the most crowded line in the entire subway system during rush hours, so you're probably right about the fact that it needs to get back to Manhattan without the extra crowding. But why isn't the as crowded? Maybe because of the adjacent CPW Express. I guarantee that with the Second Avenue Subway, crowding will be less of an issue and then the MTA can consider different provisions for their lines if they need to. No major offense taken...just throwing out an idea. Believe me, I have so many ideas that can revitalize the transit system, but what can we do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted May 30, 2009 Share #20 Posted May 30, 2009 Yeah you bring a point. The , if I'm correct, is the most crowded line in the entire subway system during rush hours, so you're probably right about the fact that it needs to get back to Manhattan without the extra crowding. But why isn't the as crowded? Maybe because of the adjacent CPW Express. I guarantee that with the Second Avenue Subway, crowding will be less of an issue and then the MTA can consider different provisions for their lines if they need to. No major offense taken...just throwing out an idea. Believe me, I have so many ideas that can revitalize the transit system, but what can we do? Well I can't say much about which Lex line is the most crowded, but I can safely say, all three Lex lines have extensive crowding issues. Well, based on the routes, the has a more serpentine route. It cuts into Harlem, through Central Park, down on Broadway etc... the offers a more direct route and ideally, time saving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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