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Missing French commercial jet hits thunderstorms over Atlantic

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Off the news, this is quite scary. Is this part of the Bermuda triangle?

SAO PAULO – An Air France jet carrying 228 people from Rio de Janeiro to Paris ran into a towering wall of thunderstorms and disappeared over the Atlantic Ocean. French President Nicolas Sarkozy told families of those aboard Monday that "prospects of finding survivors are very small."

 

The area where the plane could have gone down is vast, in the middle of very deep Atlantic Ocean waters between Brazil and the coast of Africa. Brazil's military searched for it off its northeast coast, while the French military scoured the ocean near the Cape Verde Islands off the West African coast.

 

If all 228 were killed, it would be the world's deadliest commercial airline disaster since 2001.

 

Sarkozy, speaking at Paris' Charles de Gaulle airport, said the cause is unclear and that "no hypothesis" is being excluded. He called it "a catastrophe like Air France has never before known."

 

"(I met with) a mother who lost her son, a fiancee who lost her future husband. I told them the truth," he said.

 

Sarkozy said "it will be very difficult" to find the plane because the zone where it is believed to have disappeared "is immense." He said France has asked for U.S. satellite help to locate the plane.

 

Chief Air France spokesman Francois Brousse said "it is possible" the plane was hit by lightning, but aviation experts expressed doubt that a bolt of lightning was enough to bring the plane down.

 

Air France Flight 447, a 4-year-old Airbus A330, left Rio Sunday night with 216 passengers and 12 crew members on board, said company spokeswoman Brigitte Barrand.

 

The plane indicated it was still flying normally more than three hours later as it left Brazil radar contact, beyond the Fernando de Noronha archipelago, at 10:48 local time (0148 GMT, 9:48 p.m. EDT). It was flying at 35,000 feet (10,670 meters) and traveling at 522 mph (840 kph).

 

About a half-hour later, the plane "crossed through a thunderous zone with strong turbulence." It sent an automatic message fourteen minutes later at 0214 GMT (10:14 p.m. EDT Sunday) reporting electrical failure and a loss of cabin pressure.

 

Air France told Brazilian authorities the last information they heard was that automated message, reporting a technical problem before the plane reached a monitoring station near the Cape Verde islands. Brazilian, African, Spanish and French air traffic controllers tried in vain to establish contact with the plane, the company said.

 

Brazilian Air Force spokesman Col. Jorge Amaral said seven aircraft had been deployed to search the area far off the northeastern Brazilian coast. Brazil's Navy sent three ships.

 

"We want to try to reach the last point where the aircraft made contact, which is about 745 miles (1,200 kilometers) northeast of Natal," Amaral told Globo TV.

 

Meteorologists said tropical storms are much more violent than thunderstorms in the United States and elsewhere.

 

"Tropical thunderstorms ... can tower up to 50,000 feet (15,240 meters). At the altitude it was flying, it's possible that the Air France plane flew directly into the most charged part of the storm — the top," Henry Margusity, senior meteorologist for AccuWeather.com, said in a statement.

 

Portuguese air control authorities say the missing plane did not make contact with controllers in Portugal's mid-Atlantic Azores Islands nor, as far as they know, with other Atlantic air traffic controllers in Cape Verde, Casablanca, or the Canary islands.

 

In Washington, a Pentagon official said he'd seen no indication that terrorism or foul play was involved. He spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the subject.

 

The 216 passengers included 126 men, 82 women, 7 children and a baby, Air France said. There were 61 French and 58 Brazilians; 30 other countries were represented, including two Americans.

 

In Brazil, sobbing relatives were flown to Rio de Janeiro, where Air France was assisting the families. Andres Fernandes, his eyes tearing up, said a relative "was supposed to be on the flight, but we need to confirm it," Globo TV reported.

 

At the Charles de Gaulle airport north of Paris, family members declined to speak to reporters and were brought to a cordoned-off crisis center.

 

Air France said it expressed "its sincere condolences to the families and loved ones of the passengers and crew members" aboard Flight 447. The airline did not explicitly say there were no survivors, leaving that subject to Sarkozy.

 

Air France-KLM CEO Pierre-Henri Gourgeon said the pilot had 11,000 hours of flying experience, including 1,700 hours flying this aircraft.

 

Experts said the absence of a mayday call meant something happened very quickly.

 

"The conclusion to be drawn is that something catastrophic happened on board that has caused this airplane to ditch in a controlled or an uncontrolled fashion," Jane's Aviation analyst Chris Yates told The Associated Press. "Potentially it went down very quickly and so quickly that the pilot on board didn't have a chance to make that emergency call."

 

But aviation experts said the risk the plane was brought down by lightning was slim.

 

"Lightning issues have been considered since the beginning of aviation. They were far more prevalent when aircraft operated at low altitudes. They are less common now since it's easier to avoid thunderstorms," said Bill Voss, president and CEO of Flight Safety Foundation, Alexandria, Va.

 

He said planes have specific measures built in to help dissipate electricity along the aircraft's skin, and are tested for resistance to big electromagnetic shocks and equipped to resist them. He said the plane should be found, because it has backup locators that should continue to function even in deep water.

 

If all 228 people were killed, it would be the deadliest commercial airline disaster since Nov. 12, 2001, when an American Airlines jetliner crashed in the New York City borough of Queens during a flight to the Dominican Republic, killing 265 people. On Feb. 19, 2003, 275 people were killed in the crash of an Iranian military plane carrying members of the Revolutionary Guards as it prepared to land at Kerman airport in Iran.

 

The worst single-plane disaster was in 1985 when a Japan Air Lines Boeing 747 crashed into a mountainside after losing part of its tail fin, killing 520 people.

 

"Our thoughts are with the passengers and with the families of the passengers," said Airbus spokeswoman Maggie Bergsma.

 

She said it was the first fatal accident of a A330-200 since a test flight in 1994 went wrong, killing seven people in Toulouse.

 

The Airbus A330-200 is a twin-engine, long-haul, medium-capacity passenger jet that can hold up to 253 passengers. There are 341 in use worldwide, flying up to 7,760 miles (12,500 kilometers) a trip.

 

GE Aviation spokesman Rick Kennedy discounted engine trouble as a possible cause — he said the plane's CF6-80E engine "is the most popular and reliable engine that we have for big airplanes in the world," and is being used in more than 15,000 airplanes.

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Keller reported from Charles de Gaulle airport in Roissy, France. Associated Press reporters Emma Vandore, Laurent Lemel and Laurent Pirot in Paris; Marco Sibaja in Brasilia, Slobodan Lekic in Brussels, Belgium; Barry Hatton in Lisbon and Airlines and Transportation Editor Greg Stec in New York contributed to this report.

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Well, not as of today Andy...

Brazil reported that all 200 and whatnot passengers are assumed dead. ;)

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I doubt it myself. Here updated news story.

 

Jet debris along flight path of Coast of Brazil is from vanished Air France Flight 447; All on board feared dead.BY Brian Kates

NY DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

 

Updated Tuesday, June 2nd 2009

 

 

Two Americans on missing Air France Flight 447 plane

A three-mile debris field discovered in the Atlantic Ocean is unquestionably the wreckage of Air France Flight 447, Brazil's defense minister announced Tuesday.

 

The wreckage located by Brazilian military pilots "confirms that the plane went down in that area," apparently claiming the lives of all 228 people aboard, said Minister Nelson Jobim.

 

The location was 400 miles northeast of Brazil's Fernando de Noronha island, where the missing plane disappeared from radar screens.

 

Jobim made the announcement to reporters in Rio de Janeiro after visiting in a local hotel with relatives of the victims. The plane disappeared early Monday, nearly four hours into its 11-hour flight.

 

No bodies were spotted, and the wreckage included metallic and non-metal pieces, Jobim said. Search planes reported sighting an aircraft seat, a buoy and signs of fuel after following the doomed jetliner's flight path.

 

Hours later, the debris was confirmed as belonging to the Air France Airbus A330.

 

Two Americans, Michael Harris, 60, and his wife, Anne, 54, were among the passengers. The couple reportedly had lived for about a year in Rio de Janiero, where Michael Harris was a geologist for Devon Energy, the largest U.S.-based natural gas and oil producer.

 

The couple was headed to Paris to attend a training seminar and vacation in France and Spain, relatives said.

 

"The race against the clock has begun" to find the two black boxes of the Airbus A330, which emit signals for up to 30 days, said French transportation minister Jean-Louis Borloo.

Flight 447 had just left Rio and was bound for Paris.

 

President Obama told French television stations the United States was ready to do everything necessary to find out what happened to the missing plane.

 

The French sent a specially equipped surveillance plane to the area from a base in Senegal, as well as a frigate from the Caribbean and another ship from Portugal, officials said.

 

Two Brazilian air force jets conducted night searches over the Atlantic early Tuesday, joining other Brazilian aircraft, including two helicopters. The first of three Brazilian ships was expected to arrive in the remote area Wednesday.

 

France's Defense Minister Herve Morin said "we have no signs so far" that terrorism was involved, but told French radio "all hypotheses must be studied."

 

The Airbus 330 was cruising normally at 35,000 feet at 522 mph just before it disappeared. No trouble was reported as the plane left radar contact, beyond Brazil's Fernando de Noronha archipelago.

 

But just north of the equator, a line of towering thunderstorms loomed. Bands of extremely turbulent weather stretched across the Atlantic toward Africa.

 

Soon afterward, the plane sent an automatic message reporting electrical system failure and a loss of cabin pressure.

 

Investigators on both sides of the Atlantic worked through the night to determine what brought it down - wind and hail from towering thunderheads, lightning, or a catastrophic combination of factors.

 

Experts said the absence of a mayday call meant something happened very quickly.

 

If there are no survivors, as feared, it would be the world's worst aviation disaster since 2001 with the events of 9/11. Until this year, airline travel since 2002 went through the safest period in history in terms of tragic/accidental crashes.

 

French police were studying passenger lists and maintenance records, and preparing to take DNA from passengers' relatives to help identify any bodies.

 

The captain, whose named has yet to be released, was 58 and an Air France pilot since 1988, the airline said. He had 11,000 flying hours under his belt, including 1,700 on Airbus A330s or A340s.

 

c)2009 NY Daily News, Inc. With AP and Reuters News Wire Services

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I am guessing the wings and airframe couldn't take the torque/G-forces from a computer malfunction caused pitch down during a downdraft in the storm. I hope they find the black box. I think also they need to ground all A330 till they fix the likely cause of this incident, the fly by wire flight controller software.

 

Tragic.

 

- A

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Does anyone here watch LOST? What if they're stranded on a mystical tropical island that can move through time with other people already living on it? OMG THIS IS SO LOST! lol :P Where is Ben Linus? I cannot believe he killed Jacob!

 

Seriously, though I hope they're okay.

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