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(2)/(5) Car Swaps(Exchange) question

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I was always wondering.. Why does the (2)/(5) Swap cars at Flatbush? Does this help increase service on both line, by adding for example a few (5) cars for the (2) for additional trains or something? Just curious. And could benefit thos who dont understand.

 

BTW if you are going to respond, please break it down for a better understanding, not something thats too technical/mechanical and hard to understand.. |And please stay on topic ~Thanks! :)

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I'll keep it simple. Let's say you have 2 trains in the station at Flatbush at 5 pm. The schedule says at 5:07 a (5) leaves, followed by a (2) at 5:09. You have 2 trains waiting outside the station ready to come into Flatbush when those trains leave. Oops, both of the trains are (2)s but your next scheduled leaving train is supposed to be a (5) at 5:16. Solution....,bring the first train in and make it a (5), bring the second train in and leave it as a (2). Bravo, you have eliminated a gap in (5) service and kept the (2) on time. Sometime in the next hour or so you just reverse the above process and swap a (5) over to the (2) line so everyone stays on time. At the end of the day the respective yards in the Bronx, 180st and 239th St, try to sort things out.

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I'll keep it simple. Let's say you have 2 trains in the station at Flatbush at 5 pm. The schedule says at 5:07 a (5) leaves, followed by a (2) at 5:09. You have 2 trains waiting outside the station ready to come into Flatbush when those trains leave. Oops, both of the trains are (2)s but your next scheduled leaving train is supposed to be a (5) at 5:16. Solution....,bring the first train in and make it a (5), bring the second train in and leave it as a (2). Bravo, you have eliminated a gap in (5) service and kept the (2) on time. Sometime in the next hour or so you just reverse the above process and swap a (5) over to the (2) line so everyone stays on time. At the end of the day the respective yards in the Bronx, 180st and 239th St, try to sort things out.

 

Thanks! Now i get it. But 2 things tho: How come when the (2)(5) were running R26-33 they had the roll signs set to (2) To Brooklyn and (5) To the Bronx (I think), was that related to that?

 

And finally, when the (5) is not running or heading to Flatbush, should't the (5) cars from the (2) Be sent back to the (5) same as (5) to (2)..

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Back in the day there were C/Rs at Flatbush assigned to change signs from (2) to (5) and vice versa. There was also a major construction project years ago where the roll signs were altered to read (2) via Lex southbound and via 7th Ave northbound. It was called the Lenox Ave invert project and IIRC you had (2) and (3) trains terminating at 96th St and Broadway or 137th St at different times of the day. Some (3) trains laid up at 180th St in the afternoon. All in all a very busy time on the road back then.

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Back in the day there were C/Rs at Flatbush assigned to change signs from (2) to (5) and vice versa. There was also a major construction project years ago where the roll signs were altered to read (2) via Lex southbound and via 7th Ave northbound. It was called the Lenox Ave invert project and IIRC you had (2) and (3) trains terminating at 96th St and Broadway or 137th St at different times of the day. Some (3) trains laid up at 180th St in the afternoon. All in all a very busy time on the road back then.

Wasn't that when the Lenox Line had trains operating in one direction only?

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Wasn't that when the Lenox Line had trains operating in one direction only?

 

Correct. That was the time.

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That's the advantage of the R142s: the signs can be changed as simple as the push of a button. With the redbirds, as fun as they were, the sign-changing process was tedious, so it makes it easier for the (2) and (5) to swap at Flatbush when there is obviously no time to change the rollsigns. Sometimes they'd leave them and riders get confused as to what train they were on. At they end of the day all the R142s can go back to East 180th Street (where all the (5)s and some (2)s are based) and to 239th (where all the (2)s and the 238th Street (5)s are as well.

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The part that sucks about this is at the end of the day, those (2) line trains on the (5), seem to make their way up to Dyre late, then have to be laid up at 239yd, at hrs when one don't want to go to 239yd (almost midnight), then deadhead back to 180st to sign out, cause the layup suppose to be to 180st, not 239yd.......

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