mark1447 Posted June 9, 2009 Share #1 Posted June 9, 2009 I was at 125th Street Station at about 2:45PM to 3:40PM (Checking for R40S which i didnt see one but at 168 later), Then I notice 2 R46 with A/B cars arranged incorrectly. First one was a Northbound 207 train with R46 set to: <-North Bound(ABAA|ABBA) Next one was a Southeast bound Mott Train with R46 set to: Southbound->(ABBA|ABAA) same as the first. This was similar to when I saw an Avenue X Bound at Smith St in April '09 set to (AABA|ABBA) Southbound> Instead of these cars being (ABBA|ABBA) My question is, why were they set like this for? Is it because of the low numbers of B cars being SMS, while the A car replaces them? ___________ For the newbies A Car= Cab car(For Train Operators/Conductors) B Car= Trailers, no Cabs inside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmcconnell Posted June 9, 2009 Share #2 Posted June 9, 2009 The R46 married pairs (AA) were, I believe, intended for the G train when it still operated six-car trains (AAABBA configuration.) Since the G only runs 4 cars, G trains are now generally ABBA or AAAA. I thought there was only AB R46 pair -- didn't know there were more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted June 9, 2009 Share #3 Posted June 9, 2009 I was at 125th Street Station at about 2:45PM to 3:40PM (Checking for R40S which i didnt see one but at 168 later), Then I notice 2 R46 with A/B cars arranged incorrectly. First one was a Northbound 207 train with R46 set to: <-North Bound(ABAA|ABBA) Next one was a Southeast bound Mott Train with R46 set to: Southbound->(ABBA|ABAA) same as the first. This was similar to when I saw an Avenue X Bound at Smith St in April '09 set to (AABA|ABBA) Southbound> Instead of these cars being (ABBA|ABBA) My question is, why were they set like this for? Is it because of the low numbers of B cars being SMS, while the A car replaces them? ___________ For the newbies A Car= Cab car(For Train Operators/Conductors) B Car= Trailers, no Cabs inside Good question. For what it's worth, trains used R46s before 2001, in addition to after 2001. But the had a mixed package of R32s and R46s back then. The used 8-car sets of R32s, just like the , and if I'm right, the also used 6-car R46s. So maybe you find unusual consists on the normal lines. Instead of ABBA, you find AABA, or AAAA (yes, that exists as well). This is all because of the fact that the (G)'s R46 consists before December of 2001 when the was introduced were AAABAA, ABBABA, ABAABA, etc. Just keep in mind that R46s were run in 6-car sets, while we're currently used to seeing them in sets of 8, while being grouped as sets of 4 (ABBA). Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted June 9, 2009 Share #4 Posted June 9, 2009 Didn't someone make a thread about this not too long ago that also had a pic of the controls on the B car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken S. Posted June 9, 2009 Share #5 Posted June 9, 2009 Good question. For what it's worth, trains used R46s before 2001, in addition to after 2001. But the had a mixed package of R32s and R46s back then. The used 8-car sets of R32s, just like the , and if I'm right, the also used 6-car R46s. So maybe you find unusual consists on the normal lines. Instead of ABBA, you find AABA, or AAAA (yes, that exists as well). This is all because of the fact that the (G)'s R46 consists before December of 2001 when the was introduced were AAABAA, ABBABA, ABAABA, etc. Just keep in mind that R46s were run in 6-car sets, while we're currently used to seeing them in sets of 8, while being grouped as sets of 4 (ABBA). Hope that helps. Unlike PATH, the MTA doesn't mix equipment like that. The AA sets were used with an ABBA set to form the 6-car trains on the . The ABAA set has car 6207 which has controls on the non-mated end in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmcconnell Posted June 9, 2009 Share #6 Posted June 9, 2009 Good question. For what it's worth, trains used R46s before 2001, in addition to after 2001. But the had a mixed package of R32s and R46s back then. The used 8-car sets of R32s, just like the , and if I'm right, the also used 6-car R46s. So maybe you find unusual consists on the normal lines. Instead of ABBA, you find AABA, or AAAA (yes, that exists as well). This is all because of the fact that the (G)'s R46 consists before December of 2001 when the was introduced were AAABAA, ABBABA, ABAABA, etc. Just keep in mind that R46s were run in 6-car sets, while we're currently used to seeing them in sets of 8, while being grouped as sets of 4 (ABBA). Hope that helps. Are you sure the G ran 8-car R32s? I've been using the Bergen Street station for more than a decade and I have never seen a single R32 G train... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 9, 2009 Share #7 Posted June 9, 2009 Didn't someone make a thread about this not too long ago that also had a pic of the controls on the B car? I'm glad someone mentioned the hostlers' controls on R46 6207. Still don't get how one sees where they're going while operating from them though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted June 9, 2009 Share #8 Posted June 9, 2009 Are you sure the G ran 8-car R32s? I've been using the Bergen Street station for more than a decade and I have never seen a single R32 G train... This was before December of 2001 when the was introduced. The did use 8-car R32s before this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken S. Posted June 9, 2009 Share #9 Posted June 9, 2009 Are you sure the G ran 8-car R32s? I've been using the Bergen Street station for more than a decade and I have never seen a single R32 G train... They were very rare and were 10-car trains taken off the or when it ran R32s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted June 9, 2009 Share #10 Posted June 9, 2009 I'm glad someone mentioned the hostlers' controls on R46 6207. Still don't get how one sees where they're going while operating from them though... You look out the storm door. If you are facing out the end of the B car, it would be to the right of you behind a panel. I think I is made for one handel operation with your reverser key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted June 9, 2009 Share #11 Posted June 9, 2009 You look out the storm door. If you are facing out the end of the B car, it would be to the right of you behind a panel. I think I is made for one handel operation with your reverser key. Yup that's correct. It's right along the end wall panel at the end of the car, you look out the storm door to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyhero59 Posted June 9, 2009 Share #12 Posted June 9, 2009 There's only one AB configuration on the R46 Because the other AB configuration was wreck in the mid to late 80's they were Cars 941 and 1054. http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?5737 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 9, 2009 Share #13 Posted June 9, 2009 There's only one AB configuration on the R46 Because the other AB configuration was wreck in the mid to late 80's they were Cars 941 and 1054. http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?5737 Is that the car that hit the wall at Jamaica-179? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyhero59 Posted June 9, 2009 Share #14 Posted June 9, 2009 Is that the car that hit the wall at Jamaica-179? Yes that is the car that hit the wall at Jamaica-179. It was Car 1054. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted June 9, 2009 Author Share #15 Posted June 9, 2009 Thanks guys for ans, i got it kinda.. Will this permanent tho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted June 9, 2009 Share #16 Posted June 9, 2009 Thanks guys for ans, i got it kinda.. Will this permanent tho? Most likely, until the R179s replace them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted June 9, 2009 Share #17 Posted June 9, 2009 The higher numbers of R46's (6206 & above) are in 2 car sets. from 6208-6258 are aven numbers only and are in AA sets. but 6206 & 6207 is an AB set. that pariticular set can only be driven from the A car (6206) while the B car (6207) is always coupled to another AA set. 6207 has couplers on the end of it though so it can be coupled to another set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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