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Where was each car class located during the 1980s/1990s?

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Just wondering: Between roughly 1982 and 1994, where was each car class based during that time period? Which yards and which lines? Thanks.;)

(When I mean cars, I mean R10/11/12/14/15/16/17/21/22/26/27/28/29/30/32/33/36/38/40/42/44/46/62/and maybe 68s)

If possible, could someone compose the info into a list? And what kind were they (Redbird/Greenbird) possibly?:o:tup:

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Most of the R68s were at Concourse, while the rest and the R68As were at CI. I believe the R44s had already ventured from the D to the A by 1984. Therefore, they are stored at Pitkin. Since C ran R30/As, they were most likely stored at 207th.

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In 1980, the (E) was an interesting mix. R46s, R44s, R32 Brightliners and a train or two of R10s. The (AA) and the (:P were R38s and the (D) ran a lot of R40/R42 mixed.

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Arouind 86-88 ya had R44 as(N) running at 71ave cont.

R32 as <R><R> going to Ditmars Blvd.

R44 on the (F)(E)lines at their prime/ R40 as A (K) on 8ave

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In 1980, the (E) was an interesting mix. R46s, R44s, R32 Brightliners and a train or two of R10s. The (AA) and the (:o were R38s and the (D) ran a lot of R40/R42 mixed.

 

Didnt the (D) also ran on R44s?

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Yep. Brighton riders hated them so much that the TA removed them from the (D).

 

What was so bad about them? OTOH, talk about being too politically connected...

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What was so bad about them? OTOH, talk about being too politically connected...

 

The R44 was a huge lemon in the 80's, it had frequent break downs. In addition, the R44 (and the R46 as well) caused vibrations along the Brighton ROW that residents were annoyed from.

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What was so bad about them? OTOH, talk about being too politically connected...

 

The R44's had all kinds of electrical problems as delivered. Many centered around the P wire braking system and a common failure where the P wire circuit would open at the coupler causing the brakes to apply in full service and prevent the train from being moved.

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The early 80's continued the pattern established in the late 70's

 

A Nov. 1977 car assignment lists:

RT A 210 R-40 104 R-44

RTS (AA)/(B) 168 R-38 88 R-42

RT (C) 272 R-10

RT (D) 180 R-40M/42 112 R-44

RT (E) 60 R-32 152 R-46

RT (F) 50 R-32 264 R-46

RT (G) 96 R-32

RT (J) 114 R-27/30 32 R-42

RT (L) 112 R-27/30 24 R-42

RTS (M)/<Q> 184 R-27/30 24 R-42

RT (N) 90 R-32 200 R-46

RT (R) 216 R-32 64 R-42

FRKLN (S) 12 R-27/30

 

You had the car shifts for the R44/46 problems, but by Fall '80 it basically came back to this, except it would take over a year for the 46's to go back on the (N).

Early '81, the 44's leave the (D) and are replaced by 32's. They also leave the (A) for a couple of years, while receiving new propulsion (the current Westcodes; but not the later GOH yet).

Slants begin moving to the AA/(B).

32's also run on AA/(B)(M)<Q>

38's began moving to the (D)(M)<Q>, and eventually even the (R)

(E)(F) become 100% R-46.

Early 82, all the 38's go to the (A). 46's return to (N)

'83, a few slants begin appearing on the (D). 44's finally return on the (A).

 

'86, the Manhattan Bridge closes semi-permanently. AA/(B)/(D) was mostly 40M and 42's. and Coney Island based lines were eventually the 32's and slant 40's (including even the (R)), in addition to the 27/30's.

 

ENY ran the 30's on the 6th Ave. shuttle

68's run on Brooklyn D/Q.

R-16's retire.

 

May '87; (N)(R) switch. Both lines have 32's before and after. But (N) now gets slants, and (R) gets 46's. A few 46's still run on (N) to Astoria. Then, 68's spread to the line. All

 

Cars begin entering GOH.

all 40M and 42's coming back from rebuilding went to ENY. Unrebuilt ones remained in Concourse. All rebuilt slants went to Bklyn B.

 

'88, first 68A's go to Concourse for (D).

 

When the 6th Ave side of the bridge reopened, the lines were a mixture of the same equpiment from both halves. Though the (D) quickly became all 68's as enough cars were in. (B) became all slants. (N) was a mixture of all of CI's equipment, as it would be off and on until recent years.

R-10's retire somewhere in there. 27/30's move to (C) and (H), and the rest were at ENY.

 

38's ran briefly on (Q6) when it was merged with the (A) to 207th due to a flood on 8th Av. It too eventually became almost all 68's, with a slant appearing once in awhile.

 

This brings us into the early 90's.

 

Complete history at http://www.erictb.info/carhistory.html

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The R44's had all kinds of electrical problems as delivered. Many centered around the P wire braking system and a common failure where the P wire circuit would open at the coupler causing the brakes to apply in full service and prevent the train from being moved.

 

Not only that, but the TA did not hire qualified maintenance workers for the two cars. The R44s also came with a crude version of ATO since it was planned to run them on the Second Ave subway which caused alot of problems. The R46s ran on the (N) too if I am not mistaken, but they caused segments of the wall on the Sea Beach line to cave in.

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What was so bad about them? OTOH, talk about being too politically connected...

 

It was said that the R44s and R46s literally cracked home foundations. I can understand that the R46s might do that with the Rockwell Trucks, but couldn't understand with the R44s since they used standard SMEE trucks from the beginning.

 

Not only that, but the TA did not hire qualified maintenance workers for the two cars. The R44s also came with a crude version of ATO since it was planned to run them on the Second Ave subway which caused alot of problems. The R46s ran on the (N) too if I am not mistaken, but they caused segments of the wall on the Sea Beach line to cave in.

 

Correct. The R44s and R46s came ahead of their time and inexperienced workers messed them up along the way.

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Correct. The R44s and R46s came ahead of their time and inexperienced workers messed them up along the way.

 

No, the CED crews were not inexperienced, they were not trained to work with all the elctrical systems those cars came with.

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Thanks Eric for bringing us up to speed to the early 90s. I can try and finish the list from the early 90s to the present day....

 

This is all from memory and photos:

Early 90s

 

(A) R-32/R-38/R-44

(:P R-40 Slant

(C) R-32/R-38

(D) R-68

(E) R-32/ Occasionally R-46

(F) R-32/R-46

(G) R-32/R-46

(H) R-27/30

(J) R40M/R42, and perhaps some R27/30 left

(L) R-40M/R-42 and some R-27/R-30 Left

(M) R-40M/R-42 and some R-27/R-30 Left

(N) R-32/R-40 Slant/R68

(Q6) R-68A with the <Q> designation displayed

(R) R-32/R-46

(S) Franklin Av - 4-Car R-32s

(Z) R40M/R42

 

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Mid-90s. Remember, May - November 1995, The 6 Av Side of the Manhattan Bridge was closed weekday middays, and weekends, which caused the (:)(D) & (Q) to swap routes, and sometimes car models.

 

 

(A) R-32/R-38/R-44

(B) R-40 Slant

(C) R-32/R-38

(D) R-68

(E) R-32/ Occasionally R-46

(F) R-32/R-46

(G) R-32/R-46

(J) R-40M/R42

(L) R-40M/R-42

(M) R-40M/R-42

(N) R-32/R-40 Slant/R-68

(Q6) R-68A - with the <Q> designation displayed; Rush hours only.

(Q) R-68/R-68A Displaying <Q> - Running between Coney Island & 21 St -Queensbridge, weekday middays and weekends via Lower Whitehall and Broadway Express; Replaces (D) in Brooklyn, and (B)&(Q6) in Queens.

(R) R-32/R-46

(S) Franklin Av - 4-Car R-32s

(S) Rockaway - R-44

(Z) R-40M/R-42

 

Continued Next:

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March/April 1997- West End riders are fed up with the noise of the slants along the West End El... So, what happens? The (:P & (Q6) swap...

 

(A) R-32/R-38/R-44

(:) R-68A

(C) R-32/R-38

(D) R-68

(E) R-32/ Occasionally R-46

(F) R-32/R-46

(G) R-32/R-46

(J) R-40M/R42

(L) R-40M/R-42

(M) R-40M/R-42

(N) R-32/R-40 Slant/R-68

(Q6) R-40 SLant

(R) R-32/R-46

(S) Franklin Av - 4-Car R-32s

(S) Rockaway - R-44

(Z) R40M/R42

 

 

Late 90s - Williamsburg Bridge Reconstruction of 1999

 

(A) R-32/R-38/R-44

(B) R-68A

(C) R-32/R-38

(D) R-68

(E) R-32/ Occasionally R-46

(F) R-32/R-46

(G) R-32/R-46

(J) R-40M/R42

(L) R-40M/R-42

(M) R-40M/R-42

(N) R-32/R-40 Slant/R-68

(Q6) R-40 SLant/R-42

(R) R-32/R-46

(S) Franklin Av - Closed For Reconstruction as well

(S) Rockaway - R-44

(S) Nassau St Shuttle - R-42

(Z) R40M/R42

 

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Going into 2000

 

(A) R-32/R-38/R-44

(:P R-68A

(C) R-32/R-38

(D) R-68

(E) R-32/ Occasionally R-46

(F) R-32/R-46

(G) R-32/R-46

(J) R-40M/R-42

(L) R-40M/R-42

(M) R-40M/R-42

(N) R-32/R-40 Slant/R-68/R-68A

(Q6) R-40 SLant

(R) R-32/R-46

(S) Franklin Av - 2-CAR R-68s

(S) Rockaway - R-44

(Z) R40M/R42

 

 

Zach

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The 68/68A swap between Concourse and Coney Island di not occur until '95; right before the Manhattan Bridge work.

The (:P and (Q6) swapped in '97 because the (:) started going OPTO part time (night shuttle), and needed the full width cabs.

In the Willy B work, there were two (M)'s, and the ENY side had the slants.

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