BDiv238

OK here is THE final definitive answer (again) since people are still going back and forth about this issue.

 

As PATCOman said, you can be hired off an open competitive C/R list and and (later) an open competitive T/O list, and have it be treated similar to a promotion. If you don't like it, fail a signal exam, can't stop overrunning stations or signals, or otherwise decide or are forced out of the T/O title, you absolutely 1000% have the option of going back provided you do so within your first year as a T/O, and that you passed probation as a C/R before you accepted appointment to T/O. This is all covered under RULE 9B in the first chapter of your rulebook, read it.

 

There is only once circumstance where promotion may actually backfire on an employee. It is difficult to explain but I will try. That is when the following happens:

 

-Employee in eligible title takes a promotional exam (#1 we'll call it).

-Employee in eligible title takes a second promotional exam (#2 we'll call it).

-Employee accepts promotion from exam #1 to new title. Their previous title was eligible for exam #2, but the new title they gained by being promoted from exam #1 is not.

-Employee is called from exam #2. In order to accept promotion to the title from exam #2, they must first accept an on paper demotion back to their original title since their new title from exam #1 is not eligible to promote to the title from exam #2.

 

In this exact circumstance, if the employee resigns or is demoted out of their title from exam #2, they would be ineligible to return to the title earned from exam #1 since they would have to return to their "previous title" in such an instance.

 

Case in point: Conductor takes the tower operator and train operator exams. Gets promoted to train operator, then called for tower operator. Since train operator does not promote to tower operator, if this person decides they want to be a tower operator, they will have to accept an on paper demotion back to conductor to go to tower operator. If they don't make it as a tower operator, they would then go back to conductor, and cannot go back to train operator.

 

The only other situation where someone can get hurt taking a promotion is if they do not complete probation in an eligible title.

 

Case in point: Cleaner promotes to conductor, then is hired open competitive as a train operator before completing conductor probation. If they can't make it as a train operator, they would go back to cleaner, not conductor, since they never completed probation as a conductor.

 

REMEMBER: These rules are specifically designed so they don't discourage people from taking promotions. However, the promotional lines must be adhered to at all times, and you must pass probation to establish permanent status in any title.

very good information, this is my last week on my current job..feeling nervous about starting school car..i hope i do well

OK here is THE final definitive answer (again) since people are still going back and forth about this issue.

 

As PATCOman said, you can be hired off an open competitive C/R list and and (later) an open competitive T/O list, and have it be treated similar to a promotion. If you don't like it, fail a signal exam, can't stop overrunning stations or signals, or otherwise decide or are forced out of the T/O title, you absolutely 1000% have the option of going back provided you do so within your first year as a T/O, and that you passed probation as a C/R before you accepted appointment to T/O. This is all covered under RULE 9B in the first chapter of your rulebook, read it.

 

There is only once circumstance where promotion may actually backfire on an employee. It is difficult to explain but I will try. That is when the following happens:

 

-Employee in eligible title takes a promotional exam (#1 we'll call it).

-Employee in eligible title takes a second promotional exam (#2 we'll call it).

-Employee accepts promotion from exam #1 to new title. Their previous title was eligible for exam #2, but the new title they gained by being promoted from exam #1 is not.

-Employee is called from exam #2. In order to accept promotion to the title from exam #2, they must first accept an on paper demotion back to their original title since their new title from exam #1 is not eligible to promote to the title from exam #2.

 

In this exact circumstance, if the employee resigns or is demoted out of their title from exam #2, they would be ineligible to return to the title earned from exam #1 since they would have to return to their "previous title" in such an instance.

 

Case in point: Conductor takes the tower operator and train operator exams. Gets promoted to train operator, then called for tower operator. Since train operator does not promote to tower operator, if this person decides they want to be a tower operator, they will have to accept an on paper demotion back to conductor to go to tower operator. If they don't make it as a tower operator, they would then go back to conductor, and cannot go back to train operator.

 

The only other situation where someone can get hurt taking a promotion is if they do not complete probation in an eligible title.

 

Case in point: Cleaner promotes to conductor, then is hired open competitive as a train operator before completing conductor probation. If they can't make it as a train operator, they would go back to cleaner, not conductor, since they never completed probation as a conductor.

 

REMEMBER: These rules are specifically designed so they don't discourage people from taking promotions. However, the promotional lines must be adhered to at all times, and you must pass probation to establish permanent status in any title.

Thank you very much Subway Guy for giving a clear and concise explanation to this question. I will go back and read the rule book and also begin to study for T/O training. I am hopeful that they will get to my list number on the open competitive list. If not i did sign up for the promotional exam that is coming up in December. 

Good Day all this thread has had a lot of great information and I appreciate everyone's insight and info. I have currently a B Division conductor for about 2 years and I am on the list for this exam. My list # is 46xx, I wanted to know if I was called for T/O would o have to resign as a conductor or would they accept me as a promotion? I have heard various answera to this, but never a concrete one. Of anyone has an answer to this please let me know. Thank you and Good Luck to all the future T/O'so on this thread.

@BDiv238, I do know that the list is set to expire in Sept. 2016, which is roughly 21 months from now.  They've hired through list #3316.  I'm thinking it's possible you're called before the list expires, as long as there are no hiring freezes for train operators in the meantime.  What do others think?

 

@Breaker, I spoke to Ms. Rivera yesterday as well.  She's very nice and quite helpful.  I'd recommend anyone call her if you want to hear about the status of hiring from the official source, or need to update your info - updated mailing address is critical, and you want to make sure both DCAS and NYC Transit have your current mailing address.  She confirmed that everything is on hold until the next class is scheduled.  Once that occurs, letters will start to go out again for the initial drug test.

@MTAhopefullMatt thank you for your taking the time out to answer my question and giving me a little more insight. I greatly appreciate it and i will be keeping my fingers crossed in hopes that i am called before the list expires or it is frozen

Hello All, I am on the list for this exam. My list # is 46xx. Would any of you have an idea if I have a chance of being called for this position? Any insight would greatly be appreciated. Thank you