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4 hours ago, Armandito said:

Thoughts on sending the  to Parkchester? This is what I proposed so far:

Here, the 145 St station would be lengthened for full-length trains and the connection to the WPR Line would be rerouted via this station with the existing tunnel abandoned. The  would no longer serve 148 St (which would be closed) and be rerouted via a new connection under 138 St to the 3 Av  station. From here, the  would make all stops to Parkchester. Both the  and  would operate at 12 TPH during rush hours.

With capacity now spared along the Lexington Avenue local tracks, a new (8) train would operate between Gun Hill Road and Brooklyn Bridge via a new connection to a station at 138 St between Alexander and Willis Avs (built below the existing Pelham Line), where a free transfer to the  and  trains is available. The (8) would operate via 3 Av and Webster Av in the Bronx and would also run at 12 TPH during rush hours.

My proposed service plan for the  and  services are as follows:

 

Weekdays:

 - Parkchester to New Lots Avenue; local in the Bronx and Brooklyn; express in Manhattan

 - Pelham Bay Park to Brooklyn Bridge; local (express in the Bronx during rush hours and middays in the peak direction)

(8) - Gun Hill Road to Brooklyn Bridge; local

 

Weekends:

 - Parkchester to New Lots Avenue; local in the Bronx and Brooklyn; express in Manhattan

 - Pelham Bay Park to Brooklyn Bridge; local

(8) - Gun Hill Road to 138 St; local

 

Late nights:

 - Pelham Bay Park to Times Sq-42 St; local in the Bronx and express in Manhattan (replaces  service in the Bronx)

 - No service

(8) - Gun Hill Road to Brooklyn Bridge; local (replaces  service in Manhattan)

The  and  proposal is AWSOME!

Line: SAS

Stations:

Ditmas Blvd Sq-LGA Airport:

94 St:

Hazen St

Steinway St

Astoria-Ditmars:

Astoria Blvd:

30 Av

Bdwy

36 Av

39 Av

Queensboro Plz:

55 St:

42 St:

14 St:

2 Av:

Grand St:

Chatham Sq

Seaport

Hanover Sq

Court St:

Hoyt-Schermerhorn:

Nostrand Av:

Utica Av:

Bdwy Jct-E NY:

: 2 Av Exp

: 2 Av Lcl

: 2 Av Lcl

 goes express in Astoria

Line: SAS

Stations:

Ditmas Blvd Sq-LGA Airport:

94 St:

Hazen St

Steinway St

Astoria-Ditmars:

Astoria Blvd:

30 Av

Bdwy

36 Av

39 Av

Queensboro Plz:

55 St:

42 St:

14 St:

2 Av:

Grand St:

Chatham Sq

Seaport

Hanover Sq

Court St:

Hoyt-Schermerhorn:

Nostrand Av:

Utica Av:

Bdwy Jct-E NY:

: 2 Av Exp

: 2 Av Lcl

: 2 Av Lcl

28 minutes ago, NBTA said:

No ?

 trains are tructuated back to 57 St-7 Av

2 minutes ago, Bklyn Bound 2 Local said:

I do like this proposal, but I have some questions:

• If the  goes to 205 St, where are you sending the ?
• Why did you make it go all the way east towards Broadway junction and suddenly redirect it to Kings Plaza?
• What happened to the rush hour express on the concourse line?

#1.

 goes to the "New 'Concourse Yards' station"

 trains run to 207 St-10 Av via Yard tracks and  express

 goes replacing  local to 168 St-Washington Heights

#2.

The S 4 St Connector was proposed a few years ago, or not...

#3.

 trains run as a Rush Hour Peak Express on the Concourse line, giving it the express <Z>

Line: SAS

Stations: 

Norwood-205 St

Bedford Park Blvd:

Kingsbridge Rd:

Fordham Rd:

182-183 Sts:

Tremont Av:

174-175 Sts:

170 St:

167 St:

161-Yankee Stad:

155 St:

145 St:

{passes 135 St:  in both directions}

125 St:

Malcom X Blvd:

Lexington Av:

116 St:

106 St:

96 St:

86 St:

72 St:

55 St:

42 St:

34 St:

23 St:

14 St:

2 Av:

Pitt St

Union Av:

Humboldt St

Myrtle Av:  

Bergen St

Fulton St:

St Johns Pl

Eastern Pkwy:  

Empire Blvd

Church Av

Kings Hwy

Flatlands Av

Kings Plaza

 train is a part of SAS now.

: 2 Av Express

: 2 Av Local

: 2 Av Local

Line: SAS

Stations: 

Norwood-205 St

Bedford Park Blvd:

Kingsbridge Rd:

Fordham Rd:

182-183 Sts:

Tremont Av:

174-175 Sts:

170 St:

167 St:

161-Yankee Stad:

155 St:

145 St:

{passes 135 St:  in both directions}

125 St:

Malcom X Blvd:

Lexington Av:

116 St:

106 St:

96 St:

86 St:

72 St:

55 St:

42 St:

34 St:

23 St:

14 St:

2 Av:

Pitt St

Union Av:

Humboldt St

Myrtle Av:  

Bergen St

Fulton St:

St Johns Pl

Eastern Pkwy:  

Empire Blvd

Church Av

Kings Hwy

Flatlands Av

Kings Plaza

1 minute ago, Armandito said:

If there's no rationale behind those unrealistic "proposals" you're posting here, you're just trolling and clogging up the thread with nonsense 😕.

 

By That, I Mean The  trains run via Livonia Avenue line, and  and  trains run on the New Lots Avenue branch. Get That?

Line:  New Lots Line

 serves Utica Avenue Subway

Staions:

Borough Hall:  [Express Station]

Fulton Street [Local Station]

Hoyt Street [Local Station

Nevins Street [Express Station]

Atlantic-Barclays:  [Express Station}

Bergen Street [Local Station]

Grand Army Plaza [Local Station]

E Pkwy-Bklyn Museum [Local Station]

Franklin Avenue:  [Express Station]

Nostrand Avenue [Local Station]

Kingston Avenue [Local Station]

Crown Heights-Utica Av:

[ replaces Livonia Avenue Line]

Rutland Road [Local Station]

East 96th Street [Local Station]

Sutter Avenue [Express Station]

Winthrop Street [Local Station]

Saratoga Avenue [Local Station}

Rockaway Avenue [Local Station]

Junius Street:  [Express Station]

Pennsylvania Avenue [Local Station]

Van Siclen Avenue [Local Station]

New Lots Avenue:  [Express Station]

5 hours ago, Vulturious said:

There are so many questionable things you decided to do, but I'm mainly going to point out the things that already exist:

1.) Why does the  operate via 4th Av line and 6th Av line?

2.) Why is the  also operating in Staten Island?

3.) Which lines are going express on 4th Av and which isn't?

4.) Why are trains stopping at Myrtle Av? They are 1 street away from Dekalb, not to mention there is no station at Myrtle Av.

5.) Is there a lower tunnel underneath 4th Av line that allows  trains to skip all the  stations?

6.) There is no tunnels or tracks that can get to York St from Dekalb Av.

7.) You have 6 lines operating via 6th Av which you already screwed up by bringing the  and keeping the . 

8.) There are no tracks or tunnels that can allow switching from 6th Av and Broadway Line at 34th St-Herald Square.

WHAT! IT'S JUST A PROPOSAL! What's wrong with that?!

Line:

Stations:

[Staten Island Line]

Craig Av:

Pleasant Plains:

Arbutus Av:

Nelson Av:

Guyon Av:

Old Town:  (SIR)

[4 Av Line]

John Paul Jones Park:  (BQX)

59 St:  (BQX)

36 St:  

Atlantic-Barclays:

DeKalb Av:

Myrtle Av:

York St:

E Bdwy:

Delancey-Essex:

2 Av:

Broadway-Lafayette:

[6 Av Subway]

W 4 St:

34 St:

[Broadway Line]

Times Sq:  

57 St:  (W)

5 Av: (N) (R) (W)

[Park Av Subway]

64 St

73 St

82 St

92 St

99 St

106 St

112 St

121 St

132 St

[Harlem River Dr Branch]

145 St: (2) (3)

MaCombs Pl

Fredrick Douglas Blvd

Jumel Pl: (L) (X) *grey (X)*

Laurel Hill Dr

Highbridge Park

[Dyckman St Subway]

10 Av-Dyckman St: (X) *grey (X)*

Vermilyea Av: (A)

Henry Hudson Pkwy

11 hours ago, Armandito said:

And the would become a weekday-only route with the new replacing the current late night and weekend services from Metropolitan Avenue to Myrtle Avenue-Broadway and Essex Street, respectively.

Hold It! You Changed Your Icon To a  for proposed service on the Nassau St Line to Chambers St-Bklyn Bridge!

20 hours ago, Vulturious said:

You're screwing Lexington Av line you know that right? No trains in NYC ever terminates and switches onto a completely different line to continue. You haven't even answered my question about the Manhattan bound trains from Brooklyn. I suggest you stop because this proposal is not good, period. No matter how you do it, unless you have a new tunnel created for the  to run completely separate from Lexington while still making some of those stops running into South Ferry, your idea would never be considered because of the amount of delays you have made for every rider on both Lexington and even  train riders.

Oh, Fine! Proposal Canceled! Happy Now?

15 minutes ago, Vulturious said:

You're making it even more complicating than it needs to be, having a train terminate on 1 area only for it to go the complete opposite direction to continue on another line, it's not the  anymore and again, causing more delays than it needs to be regardless of adding a new switch at Fulton. And it's not even Brooklyn bound trains either, it's Manhattan Bound trains, too. What do you plan on having them do since they are stuck waiting for the  to relay going to/from Wall St?

 trains terminate at local track at Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall, then run on the City Hall Loop empty.

 trains terminate at Grand Central-42 St by using the express track switches. After that, the train lays up on the Bronx-bound Express track.

11 minutes ago, Vulturious said:

 

I 100% agree with you, in what way does forcing both lines that are going towards Brooklyn or at least terminating at Bowling Green having it terminate at Fulton St make this any better. There aren't even any relay tracks to switch for them to reverse back towards the Bronx. There is absolutely no way this plan would ever work because of the amount of delays you just made not to mention forcing a few trains to terminate at a station that cannot relay period.

...With new switches at the front at Fulton St.

3 minutes ago, Vulturious said:

You are basically delaying trains on both the  and  because of the relay, that is not a very good idea period and would basically count as its own separate line entirely.

 and  trains terminate at Fulton St until the relays are finished.

1 minute ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

Do you understand the rational behind that proposal?

I Think I Do.

 Goes From Bay Ridge-95 St to Chambers St via 4 Av Lcl and Nassau St Lcl.

 trains are tructuated to Whitehall St. via Broadway Lcl and Queens Blvd Lcl.

 trains run from Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Bay Ridge-95 St. via 4 Av Lcl, Broadway Lcl and Astoria Lcl.

1 minute ago, Armandito said:

As was mentioned before, subways are for commuting, not musical chairs.

Maybe, This Will Work:

Line:

[plus extension]

Reroutes: Via Bowling Green, Via South Ferry

Stations:

Brooklyn College-Flatbush Av:

Newkirk Av:

Beverley Rd:

Church Av:

Winthrop St:

Sterling St:

President St:

Franklin Av:

Grand Army Plaza:  [via New Express Platforms]

Atlantic Av-Barclays:

Nevins St:

Hoyt St:  [via New Express Platforms]

Borough Hall:

Bowling Green:  [Bronx-bound Platform]

Wall St:  [relay here]

Bowling Green:  [Brooklyn-bound platform]

South Ferry:

Rector St:

WTC Cortlandt:

Chambers St:

14 St:

34 St-Penn:

Times Sq-42 St:

72 St:

96 St:

Central Park-110 St:

116 St:

125 St:

135 St:

145 St

148 St-Lenox Terminal

151 St

155 St:

Sedgwick Av

Anderson-Jerome Avs

167 St: (4)

2 hours ago, Armandito said:

Made a map of my proposed Broadway Line service changes: 

Key:  = brown;  = gray;  = yellow

Bor-ING! No Sense!

Line:  Extension

Stations:

116 St:

3 Av-138 St:

The Hub-149 St:

163 St

169 St

174 St:

W Farms Sq:

Unionport Rd

Castle Hill Av

Morris Park

33 minutes ago, Armandito said:

Or you could just extend trains to Bay Ridge. Not really a new service plan since it once ran there in the weeks immediately following 9/11.

Which is what i've planned!

Read n' Weep!:

Line: The  and  Extension

Stations:

Broad St:

Court St:

MetroTech Center-Jay St:

DeKalb Av:

 Atlantic Av-Pacific St:

Union St:

4 Av-9 St:

Prospect Av:

25 St:

36 St:

45 St:

53 St:

59 St:

Bay Ridge Av:

77 St:

86 St:

Bay Ridge-95 St:

Marine Av:

Shore Rd-Verrazano Bridge:

Line:  Extension

Stations:

168 St:

175 St:

181 St:

190 St:

Dyckman St-200 St:

207 St-10 Av:  (X) *grey like *

Line:

Street Under Runninng: 2 Av, Lexington Av (Brooklyn), Pitkin Av

Stations:

125 St:

116 St:

106 St:

96 St:

86 St:

72 St:

55 St:

42 St:

34 St

23 St

14 St:  (X) *grey like *

2 Av:

Grand St:

Chatham Sq

Seaport:

Hanover Sq

Court St

Hoyt-Schermerhorn Sts:

Fulton St:

Bedford Av

Nostrand Av

Throop Av

Malcolm X Blvd

Gates Av:

Halsey St:

Chauncey St:

Bdwy Junction:

Atlantic Av:

Alabama Av

Van Siclen Av:

Shepherd Av:

Euclid Av:

Pitkin Yard-Linden Blvd

3 minutes ago, F O O L said:

Yeah I'd agree that the G is better off under northern instead of under roosevelt as the original proposal stated. And if people really want Crosstown-21st Street, they could use that one guys proposals to incorporate the crosstown (X).

The F is running via Fulton Lcl is interesting, but whats serving the Culver? and unless you're proposing an expensive connection to the Hoyt-Schermerhorn lcl tracks or some deep flying junction below hoyt, this change might force to A/C/F to run at lower frequencies. Also, what's your motivation behind the F/E swap in Jamaica?

Note #6:  run via the  to 2 Av

Note #7:  replaces  service to Coney Island-Stillwell Av

Real Note #8: Rush hour  service runs to 179 St-Jamaica via Fulton Exp, 6 Av Exp, Queens Blvd Exp and Hillside Av Exp.

Special Note #9: Late Night  trains run as a shuttle between Forest Hills-71 and 179 St-Jamaica via Queens Blvd Lcl.

Special-er Note #10: Late Night  trains run as a shuttle between Forest Hils-71 and Jamaica Center via Queens Blvd Lcl.

Line:

Via Woodhaven Blvd

Via Junction Blvd

Via 94 St

 = AirTrain To JFK

Stations:

Rockaway Pk-Beach 116 St

Beach 105 St

Beach 98 St

Beach 90 St

Broad Channel:

Howard Beach-JFK:

Aqueduct:

Aqueduct Racetrack:  [Inwood-bound only]

Rockaway Blvd:

Atlantic Av

Jamaica Av:

Myrtle Av

Metropolitan Av

63 Dr

Queens Blvd-Queens Center Mall:

Corona Av

Roosevelt Av:

Northern Blvd

Astoria Blvd

LaGuardia Airport:

Note #1:  rerouted via Fulton St Lcl to Lefferts Blvd

Note #2:  replaces 's 63 St line to Forest Hills-71

Note #3:  runs via 53 St line to Jamaica Center

Note #4:  runs via  to 179 St-Jamaica 

Note #5:  runs to Jamaica Center via  line.

Real Note #6: Connector from Rockaways to LGA Airport.