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6 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Some of them don't care, esp. if they are old-timers. It used to be that drivers would have no problem calling the police for fare beating and wouldn't move the bus. I'm not sure what happened along the way, but that happens rarely now.

It's obvious what happened.  I agree with the "old timers" statement.   I would add that they're probably furious that it happens, but they're running out the clock and won't do anything to jeopardize that.  The people who are looking at 30 years till retirement are more likely to take action at fare beating - but what can they do?  I'm sure that the official MTA policy is "bend over and take it"

1 hour ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

They have always said that they would move in stages and they have done just that. That's precisely why the Metrocard is still in play until 2023 to ensure that there is a smooth transition over to OMNY, and there have been issues. 

I'm going to concede.  I was going to say that there was no reason that fare capping couldn't have been implemented in an earlier stage, but what do I know?  Based on the  performance of the MTA app, I assume that they must have hired the programming team that worked on Duke Nukem Forever.

On 11/2/2021 at 11:16 AM, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

the system afforded them an array of options, from fare capping to passes and so on, but that doesn't mean that modifications aren't needed to implement such things

It's been over two years since the system went online.  If they wanted to cap, it would have been ready day one. Two years and counting means they don't want to do it.  We've been told that the system is secure enough for pay-as-you-go fares (not to mention linking ONMY to your credit card on their website), but not secure enough for capping?  Reconfiguring the system would involve reprogramming all those "vending machines"?   I'm sure that when the fare is raised to $3 or $3.50, reprogramming will be easy as pie.

With that said, I've been using OMNY for the past two weeks.  I've got a few scattered days off this month, so I'll come out ahead if I only take the subway to commute.  No issues with tapping in or double charges so far.  The only issue I ran into was when I intentionally kept my watch away from the reader to see how close I had to get for it to be read.  I got a message saying that I had to tap in again.  I got two alerts from my CC provider saying that I had been charged (I get auto alerts), but when I checked online, only one had been posted.  So thumbs up, so far.

7 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

Thought I'd bring this conversation over to the subway side also.  (Article also posted on the bus section of the forum)

exploring fare capping idea per this article:

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/traffic/transit-traffic/mta-explores-fare-capping-program-that-would-turn-single-rides-into-unlimited-passes/3361046/

Source: NBC New York.

Weird video.  Wouldn't "reprogramming all those vending machines" - as he put it - just be pressing a button somewhere? Unless Cubic charges more to implement fare-capping.  Maybe the MTA paid for the bronze package, and fare-capping is in the sliver package.

On 10/14/2021 at 8:54 AM, RestrictOnTheHanger said:

Huge if true

 

I wouldn't doubt that this is kind of true; they enabled fare capping without telling anyone as part of a beta test.  No one is going to complain if they don't get charged.  The only people who probably know about it are certain MTA employees.  My guess is the person who tweeted this assumed that it was common knowledge.  I might go for this if they make an official announcement on the OMNY site.

45 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

You'd be incorrect. There are a number of people in my group that are interested in one, myself included. Someone bought one today in my group. The reason being is that OMNY has been a big problem for some of us that try to tap and go with our cell phones. OMNY has not been able to explain why either. Doesn't matter if it's an Android or an iPhone. I switched to contactless cards, and that too has been an issue with random charges that OMNY can't resolve, leading to me having to cancel my card and have a new one sent. I also don't like having my card exposed when tapping, so I would much rather a generic OMNY card.

 

So why not stick with Metrocard?  Especially since you're having so many issues with OMNY?

I agree with the $5 charge for the card; many people would throw it away instead of refilling it.  With that said, I can't imagine that anyone would buy one at this time.  It offers nothing for the customer that isn't being addressed better by a MetroCard, a smart device or a contactless credit card.

No Unlimited, no OMNY. I had originally wanted OMNY for the novelty of using my watch to get on the train.  I use it to pay for just about everything now, so the novelty has worn off.  For the past year and a half, I really wanted it to avoid this situation:

Typical subway occurrence

I joke a little with that link title, but the truth is that I don't feel safe in the subway.  As I walk into any station, I always have "something could happen" in the back of my mind.  It would be nice if I could get in without taking out my wallet.

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

Can't really do that with all these activists trying to get every cop fired who try to enforce the fare

Excellent point.  So, since farebeating has been at an all time high with no way to stop it, the MTA will possibly have to eliminate the unlimited fare option to help make up the difference.  Sad, but understandable.  However, if they don't get rid of the unlimited MetroCard options, then it makes no sense not to add it to OMNY.

1 hour ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

I think I took the subway twice in the past month (once at 72nd to 42nd) and once at Bryant Park to Hudson Yards, and there were cops present at both stations, which is probably why there was no one hopping.

Yes, that's why no one was hopping.  Next time you get off at Hudson Yards, leave by the 35th Street exit.  Maybe around 4pm.

On 6/19/2021 at 6:55 PM, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Metrocards are great for customers because the more you use them, the cheaper each ride is, but that obviously means less revenue for the  , so all of this has to be considered.

I really hate hearing about the MTA's revenue stream issues when I see nothing done about rampant fare beating.  Has there been a promotion for the past year where construction workers ride for free at the Hudson Yards entrance on 35th Street?  How about the A/C/E entrance on 35th and 8th?  How about any entrance in the system without a booth where one guy jumps the turnstile and opens the gate for his five buddies?

On 6/18/2021 at 4:57 PM, RestrictOnTheHanger said:

Rollout of all features supporting NYCT will commence by YE2021

So, Unlimited OMNY by the end of the year, maybe.  Disappointing.  I guess that it's best to wait to get it right, especially where money is concerned, but it seems like that this testing and app development could  have been done while the OMNY installation was going on.  But what do I know?  And this whole uncertainty about the unlimited fare has me a little stumped.  I get the frustration that the MTA must have when they see someone swipe themselves in, and then pass the card to someone who waits the 20 or so minutes to get in.  Or when people leave the system then swipe someone in because, hey, it doesn't cost me anything.  It reminds me of an analogy that Fake Steve Jobs (Dan Lyons) make about the iTunes Store back in the day. Why would the record labels insist on DRM'ing legal downloads when illegal downloads are readily available?  It's like a store locking the front door when the window is smashed in.  Why would you restrict unlimited OMNY when unlimited MetroCards exist?

I think they may announce OMNY supporting reduced fares and the like.  I don't think Unlimited is on the table.  It's never mentioned.  Hope I'm wrong.

7 minutes ago, mikecintel said:

I can't wait until June 23,2021 because there will be an OMNY update

Do you have inside information?

On a related note, the OMNY site has a link to a poll.  One of the first questions is about OMNY usage, i.e. what would it take for you to use it.  Then it goes into how often you rode pre-pandemic, how much you ride now, etc.  I encourage anyone who wants unlimited fares to take the survey.

Transit survey

They also have questions regarding subway safety, which I appreciated.

3 hours ago, LTA1992 said:

And let's not forget, it was first proposed in 1983. Which means it took about 14 years for Metrocard to be fully implemented.

Not to put down the speed in which OMNY was completed (I was amazed that they did it so quickly), but I think it's like comparing apples to oranges.  OMNY built on to what already existed - existing turnstiles and electrical hookups - in essence a retrofit.  Going from tokens to MetroCards needed a whole new infrastructure.

9 hours ago, mikecintel said:

Happy New Year Everyone,  May 2021 brings us happiness and joy this year and many good things to come this year. 

Also we have the fare options that will be available soon and don't forget the the OMNY app.

Any word on how soon the fare options might be rolled out?  It doesn't make financial sense to drop my Metrocard until this happens.  I also like the flexibility of the unlimited card.  I make my own transfer points; instead of taking a train a couple of stops out of the way to make a transfer, I'll leave the system and walk a block or two.  I take shortcuts through the subway; my favorite being able to enter the Port Authority on 9th Avenue (pre-pandemic) and walking to Times Square completely indoors.  Great on bad weather days.  Sometimes I leave a staton through the wrong turnstile and realize that I'll have to cross a busy street (like Queens Blvd) to get where I'm going.  Nope!  I swipe back in and leave the way I meant to.  Can't go OMNY until this happens - unless Unlimited gets dropped entirely.

47 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

You believe... Have you actually used OMNY regularly, or are you just speculating?

I'm probably misremembering.  I used it a couple of times when 42nd Street and 8th was activated, and a handful of times when my monthly MetroCard expired.  It's been several months since I used OMNY  **Scratches head**  OK, pulled up my records; used it ten times - ten separate charges.  You're right.

4 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Yes, I use a debit card and have transferred from express bus to express bus, and express bus to subway. I have not been able to get it to work with my phone though, even though I have the same card linked that I use to tap with. Some people have reported it being rather picky on that end. With my card, I simply hold it over the reader until it says "GO". I like that you don't have to touch anything, especially with COVID. However, sometimes it says "GO" but does not charge me. Of late it has worked fine though. Once it "recouped" the charge the next time I used it (gave me an error message and then charged me for my tap then and recouped the tap from the previous time I used it). Note though that any new card you use will initially have a pending charge of $2.75 on it, which either falls off, or is refunded to you in addition to whatever method you are paying for (bus, subway or express bus). I actually remember using this years ago I think on the M14 or at least seeing it, so it is kind not new technology. They had the readers on some buses as a pilot and then pulled them. We're talking a good six plus years ago IIRC.

I believe that that your card is charged every day or so - not every time you use it.  So, if you use your card six times in one day,  it all gets combined into one charge.  That's the way it's done with other digital services (like Apple's App Store).

While we're on the subject, I've seen mention on this forum about the MTA "elevating" to a capped fare system. While I think I prefer the idea of an "unlimited" pre-pay option, I can see the benefit of capping.  My question is this: why haven't they trialed fare capping during the build out?  I'm sure that by now there are people that can do their entire commute with OMNY.  Why not ask for volunteers beforehand?  I'm sure that there would be a few folks out there that wouldn't mind being a guinea pig in exchange for a  participation trophy (like a limited edition "OMNY Tester" enamel pin or patch or whatever).  In fact, once the Queens buses are enabled, give me a ring.

For all we know, capping could even be enabled in the system right now.  It's not like anyone would complain that they weren't charged enough for riding the subway.

5 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

Jamaica Center to Briarwood, 75th Ave to World Trade Center (1 Station) 

If I'm reading this correctly, it's saying that Union Turnpike doesn't have OMNY.  But it does; it's been active for about two weeks.

10 hours ago, Amtrak41 said:

catch the minority of passengers who jump turnstiles

I see a minimum of three fare evaders a day.  Even more if I'm paying attention.  At worst, I'll see one person jump the turnstile and let ten friends / family members through the gate.

On 8/12/2020 at 4:52 PM, mikecintel said:

Additional fare options, comparable to the current 7-day and 30-day passes, will be available in the first quarter of 2021, after the activation of OMNY across the entire NYC Transit system

Is this the thing where you get "capped" after using your credit card / phone / watch a certain amount of times in a certain period?  I really don't want to have to keep track of forty to fifty additional credit card purchases a month.