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On 10/5/2022 at 11:04 AM, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Yeah, of course you don't since it won't impact you. lol  

  

And don't expect that to change... The goal is the same... Reduce run times by:

a. straightening lines

b. eliminating stops

See a pattern?

It won't, you're right, but Q31 should have been rerouted a long time ago, it's current routing is super wonky, it should stay on Utopia Parkway, and this way it can replace Q16 Utopia Parkway service, which has low ridership, and go to College Point or maybe even Fort Totten which would make it the first Fort Totten - Jamaica route, I feel like it would garner more riders, and the frequencies would get better also. 

On 9/23/2022 at 4:56 AM, Gotham Bus Co. said:

Have you traveled along that part of Utopia? The residents there will NIMBY away any proposal that puts buses there.

Yes I have a lot and I could care less about those residents. 

3 hours ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

 

The community would probably prefer to have the Q31 use Utopia, Crocheron, Francis Lewis. The stop for Auburndale LIRR would be either Utopia & Station Road or Crocheron & 192nd.

In that case the Q31 would just stay on Utopia, no point in going on Crocheron, then on Francis Lewis, and then back on Utopia.

On 7/3/2018 at 1:12 PM, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

While this is true, the real question is who would use the QM3 off-peak?  You haven't really answered that question. In Riverdale, it's the seniors going to shop, going to Lincoln Center and so on, and then you have a lot of other people that work different hours.  Early in the morning it's the Irish guys in the construction field taking the BxM1 down, then we have students who live in Riverdale that go to schools in Manhattan AND students that live in Manhattan that go to the private schools in Riverdale taking the express buses and those who work in those schools, so there's a constant stream of people using the express bus.  The buses are generally not packed to the rafters off-peak, but there's definitely enough ridership to sustain the levels of service currently provided.  In fact you'd be surprised at how crowded the 06:45 and 07:15 BxM1 buses to Riverdale are.  Having used them regularly they get very good loads.

Also remember that the Riverdale lines have lost A LOT of ridership over the years, but still there's enough people using the buses that exist to keep them.  I'm not so sure who the ridership base would be for the QM3 off-peak.  I've used the QM2 off-peak to go shopping in Whitestone and there aren't that many people using those buses. To go to Manhattan you'll get good loads, but not necessarily going to back to Bay Terrace.

The areas of Northeast Queens are mainly residential with not enough destination spots IMO to draw other riders.  Riverdale has the private colleges, Columbia University buildings, Wave Hill and the general neighborhood to draw from to maintain good off-peak usage.

My take on this is that the should operate from 6:00 AM to 9:00 AM with 30 minute headways towards Midtown, Manhattan and from 5:00 PM to 8:00 PM with 30 minute headways towards Little Neck, Queens.  should also operate via the LIE and the Van-Wyck in both directions.

Westbound trip times: 6:00, 6:30, 7:00, 7:30, 8:00, 8:30, 9:00
Eastbound trip times: 5:00, 5:30, 6:00, 6:30, 7:00, 7:30, 8:00

I also believe that there should be special service between Midtown Manhattan and Citi Field during Mets games and the US Open. These trips times would vary based off the start and end times of Mets games and the US Open. 

On 3/30/2022 at 5:58 AM, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

Alright, so here's my thoughts on routes in Flushing, Fresh Meadows, and NE Queens (here's the first part of my comments of routes in Central Queens)

Q12, Q13 - Not exactly sure how this is helpful, and on top of that, would push more people east of 165th Street on the Q13 if anything. Also, sucks if you're anywhere on Sanford and want to head further out east (but not to Nassau). I would keep them as they currently are, I don't see that much complaining with the existing pattern anyways, since the Q13 covers a lot of Northern Boulevard anyways. 

Q16, Q61, Q62 fiasco - The rationale behind this specific routing is kinda dumb, honestly. They say they're sending the Q16 down College Point Blvd it's for space, but they're kicking the Q16 out of its place to have both the Q61 and Q62 routes take its place, the former which is a peak hour route, and the latter which isn't much better with its atrocious off-peak headways. That's a very inefficient use of existing space. On top of that, the Q62 doesn't even have to exist as a route, it's not necessary. Literally have the Q16 begin where it current does in Flushing (39th Ave between 138th & Union Streets), and keep it going to Fort Totten, with all trips via Utopia Parkway. That's roughly the same it'll take to have Q16 buses operate as proposed in this draft plan, give or take a few minutes. 

All those resources that would be freed up from the Q62, I would use to boost the Q61, which if anything, should have been the one route receiving the full time service on the basis of providing coverage (they're already gutting QM20 off-peak service on that corridor with the same plan, you would think they would compensate with SOME service in that area). In any case, I also think that the Q61 should not be a "rush route", I don't think it has the ridership to warrant it. 

Q17 - I'm perfectly fine with wanting to retain the section between Flushing and Fresh Meadows separate from the Fresh Meadows - Jamaica portion, and I understand that. Personally though, I think Union Turnpike is a weird location to end it. Anyways, what I would do is extend it instead to 230th Street & 69th Avenue in Oakland Gardens (replacing the Q26 and Q27 on their respective portions; see my Q26/Q27 comments below for more of an explanation). 

Q19 - There's no reason why such a routing survived the first route. There's no purpose besides attempting to reduce layover space. They love to throw the reliability argument when it suits a specific proposal, when it comes to others (especially with the proposed Q25 and Q44), *crickets*. What I would do is split the route as follows:

• Q19 - Astoria Projects to Main Street  Station, as proposed in the draft plan between both points
• Q15 - Main Street  Station to 150th Street & 7th Avenue

Q20 - Overall not a bad route except for the southern portion of the route. I don't know why they would think Briarwood is a better terminal than Union Turnpike subway. However I do share the same concern that College Point Retail Center is left with only the Q76. The Q17 on 130th Street is not that close from most parts of the place, it's pretty huge. I would extend the Q25 there instead (see below for more specifics).

Q23 - Those peak frequencies may be sufficient for Union Turnpike, but that's gonna overserve 108th Street, even though I think 108th Street should use more service than it currently gets. Problem is short-turning service may provide less bus service than it currently gets on 108th Street, but that's what you get when combining two routes like this. What I would do is the following:

• Q23 - Ditmars Blvd & 23rd Avenue to either Crescent Apartments or Glendale Atlas Park Mall, via Yellowstone Blvd south of Austin Blvd, with a boost to rush hour service.
• Q29 - Union Turnpike  to 188th Street & 64th Avenue

Q25 - Wow, they have this route really doing the most with it being the local for both Merrick Boulevards and Kissena Boulevards. I would have those segments separated from each other for the sake of reliability. Also, whatever happensI would also extend the route on its northern end, operating via Whitestone Expressway and 20th Avenue to serve College Point Center to replace the Q20A. It would still serve the beloved NY Times processing plant, lol. I would have it end with the Q76. Also, regardless what ends up happening (split or not), you don't need the Q5, Q85, and Q25 on Merrick during overnight hours. 

Q26, Q27, Q78 - I don't really have that much of an objection to most of what's being proposed here, with the Q26 and Q27. However, I think that the stint on 73rd Avenue makes the route less appealing than when it used the LIE, since it misses that commercial area around HHE. I don't know if that route change from the first draft was done to solidify the ridership on the Q78 route, but I would have the Q26 operate via HHE between Francis Lewis & Springfield Blvds. If the goal is to want a route along 73rd Avenue serving Flushing, what I would do instead is have the Q17 serve 73rd Avenue, and that part of Oakland Gardens that they have the Q27 doing as well. This way the Q26 stays on Horace Harding, and the Q27 can terminate at HHE (which would compensate for the Q17 extension). In addition to serving Flushing, the Q17 serves various other trip generators (or passes near them), including the Fresh Meadows commercial area, various public schools (FLHS, Ryan, P.S. 173), and Queens College, not to mention commercial Kissena Boulevard, and that would loom more useful for more people than the intermediate area along 46th Avenue / Hollis Court Blvd. I would potentially have the Q27 replace the Q88 out to Little Neck instead (see Q73, Q88 for more comments on this part). 

Q28 - Since I would have the Q13 "rush" route operate on Northern Blvd instead of Sanford Ave, I would have the Q28 operate as a local route. It's not that long of a route anyways, so it's not the end of the world.

Q31 - I have no problem with the route south of the LIE at all, and I'm fine with the route operating as it is up to Northern Boulevard. I'm not really into that portion north of Northern. I would probably have it serve more of Francis Lewis Boulevard instead, and maybe perhaps also serve Auburndale LIRR directly in the process. I was thinking of perhaps operating via Utopia Parkway, Station Road, 192nd Street, Francis Lewis Boulevard to/from Cross Island Parkway. 

Q65 - Don't know how I feel about having buses rerouted onto Sanford Avenue, because although there's a bit of a commercial area that's hard to get with north-south service in that area around Broadway LIRR, I don't know how much demand is there for such a service (my guess is not a lot). Also you're not gonna get people walk to the bus from Sanford Ave to Broadway LIRR, lol. Honestly, I would be more inclined to support such a change, if it serve a little more of Northern Blvd. So have the Q65 operate via 162nd Street, Northern Blvd, and Roosevelt Avenue between Main Street  station and 46th Avenue. That way it hits more of the shops and businesses along 162nd Street and Northern Blvd, and in Murray Hill, plus  you also directly serve Broadway LIRR Station. 

As far as that whole bit south/east of Jamaica Center, completely unnecessary. If there's anything I would do to the Q65, is perhaps extend the route south of Jamaica LIRR to replace the Q60. That's roughly the same mileage & runtime they give for this draft Q65, and it lessen the blow of deleting the Q60 south of Archer Ave (from my comments in my first sequence of posts). 

Q73 - They can relabel this route however they want, this route I personally see not working out very well, except south/west of Queens Boulevard (because it happens to replace part of a route, lol). So they're not having the route go out to Little Neck (they apparently swapped the Q73 and the Q88 past Springfield), but again, who exactly does this serve? This is not an adequate replacement for the Q88 in any way shape or form, and having straight routes like this isn't for the better if it doesn't serve much of anything but exclusively residential areas. It misses most of the Fresh Meadows apartment complexes (and the commercial area too), and looks more like a route dependent on taking away from existing ridership bases more than anything. 

What I would do this route, is have it take Horace Harding between either Utopia Parkway or 188th Street (I'm leaning more Utopia Parkway) to Springfield Blvd. If it does take Utopia Parkway, perhaps it may be better suited to operate out to Little Neck instead of the Q88, IDK. But I don't have too many problems with operating this route up to Springfield Blvd. In addition with the Q23 proposal, I would have the Q73 operate along Metropolitan Avenue and terminate at Woodhaven Boulevard (service to Crescent Apartments would be served by the Q23 branch to Crescent Apartments, see my comments above).

Q88 -  Okay, so they have this route operate 24/7, which btw is amazing. However what I'm not really too much of a fan of several things. First off, I personally wish this route still connected to/from NICE routes (at least went out to Hillside Ave) so that I don't have to rely on the f**king train, to then connect to the  train, to then connect to a NICE bus on weekends with how goddamn atrocious both subway lines are on weekends, but whatever. Regardless of that, I don't agree with straightening it out on Horace Harding completely. It should still serve 73rd Avenue between 188th Street and Springfield Boulevard.

I also don't know if it's necessary to have the Q88 serve Little Neck. I'm not familiar with Q30 ridership patterns in that area out east, but I think if there's any destination which I think potential riders would be more inclined to use or, it's a bus to Flushing instead of the Q30 to Jamaica. This means I would have the Q27 replace the Q88 east of Springfield, while having the Q88 terminating at QCC. 

 

I'll probably comment on SE Queens, the Rockaways, and Western Queens later on. 

I think the Q12/Q13 routings west of should be left alone and I agree that the Q31 should directly serve the Auburndale LIRR Station, but the problem is that 192nd Street and Station Road are very tight for bus traffic, both roads would have to be widen, the height clearance for the underpass along 192nd Street is high enough for buses to pass through at 12'10". I also think that the Q31 should stop at Utopia Parkway/45th Avenue, and for the Q12/Q13, it should stop at Northern Boulevard/193rd Street instead of Northern Boulevard/194th Street.




These are my proposals for the neighborhoods of Auburndale and Bayside: 



I forgot to add a bus stop for Utopia Parkway/45th Avenue and Corporal Kennedy Street/34th Avenue.

On 9/17/2022 at 9:00 AM, MTABusTransitFanner said:

Don’t know where to post this but ig I’ll post it here…

 

2086-2101(2022 Gillig BRT+ CNGs) have been built, 2088 is already on the way to Nassau courtesy of a Gillig employee 

Well that is some great news, I really love the Gilligs, I'm happy more of them of are coming to Nassau to replace all of those dreadful Next Gens.

On 2/15/2022 at 12:08 PM, NewFlyer 230 said:

I can’t speak for any other borough besides Queens, but as others have mentioned, the Queens express bus network is so antiquated and long overdue for a redesign.

I do like the idea of an off peak fare maybe around $4.50 to match the city ticket price for LIRR. I think in a lot of lower income areas the price can be a huge factor as to why people don’t use express buses even if they are going where people need to go.

Here are some routing ideas I had for the Queens express bus system system.

QM1: I would keep this route mostly the same, however it would have more of a purpose since I would take the QM5 off Union Tpke and the QM6 would stop picking up passengers past 188th street. 
I would keep this route weekdays only, because my modified QM4, QM5 and QM6’s services would be able to cover the route when it’s not running.  

QM3: Needs more service than what is currently offered. I think the MTA has been sleeping on the potential of this route big time as some people don’t live near the LIRR or want to take the Q12 to the  . 
 

QM4: I was thinking of two possible routing for the QM4 past Jewel Ave & 164th street. 
Plan A is to have the QM4 run up to the Horace Harding and then along the Horace Harding to 188th Street and terminate where the QM1 does like many people have suggested in the past.

However plan B would be to have the QM4 run south on 164th Street to 73rd Ave and run along 73rd Ave to 188th street which would be the first and last stop. 
 

The QM5 I always believed had no business running along Union Turnpike since it has to do this weird backtrack just to then head back to Manhattan which is why I would give the QM1 the responsibility of serving Union Turnpike between 188th street to Queens Blvd. 

So instead of the QM5 turning south onto 188th Street to go to Union Turnpike I would have it head north on 188th street to the Horace Harding and then from there I would have it get on the highway to have it run to Manhattan which would save it lots of time from having to run along Union Turnpike & Union Turnpike. 
I was also thinking of the possibility of having the QM5 make stops along the Horace Harding at Utopia Parkway, 164th street, Kissena Blvd & finally Main Street just to provide more alternatives for those heading to the city. 
 

The QM6 would have the same routing but during the weekdays I would have buses make no stops past 188th street to Manhattan because the QM1 would serve Union Turnpike between 188th street and Queens Blvd. 

 

I know I may get some criticism for this but I would eliminate the QM10 and QM11 in favor of having the QM12 take over it’s routing along 62nd & 63rd drives and then I would have it run down it normal routing along Yellowstone but instead of having it continue down Yellowstone to Woodhaven Blvd, I would have it follow the Q23 routing through Forest Hills.

I would have the QM21 run deeper into SE Queens. I would get rid of its loop around Rochdale Village with buses instead heading continuing south along Guy Brewer to 137th Ave. I would have it continue on 137th Ave to Farmers to the Conduit. From the Conduit I would have it run south along  Springfield Blvd to 147th Ave which would be the first and last stops. 

 

I was also thinking about a potential express route (QM19) along 147the Ave and Rockaway Blvd in SE Queens. It would start on Hook Creek Blvd run along 147th Ave to Rockaway Blvd and then along Rockaway Blvd to the Van Wyck and from there continue to the city via Queens Blvd and L.I.E

 

I think the x63 needs to be modified because it’s run time is way too long and Merrick Blvd isn’t a street for a express bus. I really think it should stick to servicing Laurelton and Rosedale only. 

Once again these are just a few ideas I had to offer better service to areas that lack service as well as modify a few routes to make them faster. As for the other routes I either think they are fine or I just don’t know what improvements they may need. 

 

As someone that lives nearby the QM3, I agree that there should be extra service on the QM3, it's appalling that the last trip leaves Little Neck at 7:30 AM, which for the stop near me is at 7:50 AM, and In my opinion, the QM3 and every Queens express bus route should travel on the Long Island Expressway in both directions, this way, more people would ride the QM3 from Manhattan.

On 8/28/2022 at 10:47 PM, User said:

While this is true, I still think the ridership along the Little Neck Pkwy portion of the Q36 is higher (at lease pre-pandemic) than the Q79 was due to the direct connection to Jamaica.

 

It is physically possible as LIRR shuttle buses (ex. the MCIs) have done it without issue as there are roundabouts on both sides of the station plus school buses use it as a turnaround point on school days. But yeah, politically, something like this might not go over well unless there are clear benefits to bringing additional "congestion" to an area like that.

Well that's interesting. 

On 8/19/2022 at 3:07 PM, MTABusTransitFanner said:

For the Q4 and X64(or should I say QM64) extension to Elmont, it’s a very good idea! Elmont does have the n1 that goes to Jamaica yes, but the problem is, it only goes to Jamaica in the mornings. You also have the n6 and n6X that go to Jamaica as well. Imo the Q4 extension to Elmont is an excellent idea because ths southern parts of Elmont and northern parts Valley Stream has no bus service and buses would operate every 5-15 minutes heading to and from Elmont. I would make a suggestion however, I would extend the Q4 in Elmont so it could serve Elmont Road just like the n1 and make it’s last stop at Hempstead Turnpike.

 

As for the X64 / QM64, another idea I personally like, it was proposed in the previous Queens Redesign from 2019-2020 that there would be an express route serving Elmont, now that will be happening thanks to the QM64! The QM64 has been extended from Cambria Heights 235th Street(Q4 also makes it’s last stop here as well) to Elmont Road and Dutch Broadway, the QM64 should make its first/last stop at Elmont Road and Hempstead Turnpike as well just like what I proposed for the Q4. 

The rare few good things about the Queens bus redesign plan.

2 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

I keep forgetting to put these two dollar coins I have on my metrocard so I can take an Prevost BM2 into the city one of these days. I would imagine Spring Creek has enough Prevosts to not use the MCIs at all on Saturdays.

 

 

I have yet to ride an SC Prevost even though it's my "home" depot and my favorite MTA Bus garage. I was waiting for the B103 a couple days ago and an Prevost BM2 showed up first, couldn't ride cause I didn't have enough pay per ride money on my card but it was nice to look at. 

The only time I rode a Prevost was on the SIM4C from Staten Island Mall to 34th Street in Manhattan.

What are your guys thoughts on the QM3? Should it be eliminated? Should it get additional trips to/from Manhattan? 

19 hours ago, Prospect said:

What need is there to extend the Q34 a few blocks to Francis Lewis Boulevard? I've been on that bus plenty of times in the AM rush hour and was almost always the last person on the bus getting off at the last stop there... However, the idea of running the Q34 between Flushing and Whitestone on weekends might work though. They run the Q26 to primarily supplement and alleviate the Q27; it serves it's function when necessary. How would the Q26 benefit by being extended to College Point using Parsons Boulevard and 14th Avenue? It would be redundant to the Q20A, Q20B, and Q44-SBS if it ran using the streets you're proposing. Not only that, but there would be no connection to the subway at all under that configuration. Respectfully, I want to see the insight here.

The reason why the Q34 should be extended to Francis Lewis Boulevard is because there is no local service on Willets Point Boulevard for a good mile, and for the Q26, I made a route map proposal so that it would still serve the Flushing-Main Street subway and LIRR stations.

On 8/17/2022 at 11:53 PM, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Service should reflect needs, so over serving a neighborhood just because it's a transit desert... Need to dig deeper. Douglaston is mainly low density, and yes there is some demand for service and the service provided should reflect that, but as I said earlier, there are plenty of people that like it the way it is and drive, so you have to take that into consideration. 

That is true.

But in general I find that Queens bus map proposal to be horrendous, most routes are fine as they are currently, I do agree with rerouting some routes like the Q31 and Q76 but the Q31 should still serve the Jamaica LIRR Station, also routes like the Q30, Q34, Q40, and Q114 shouldn't be eliminated. Q34 should be kept and be extended to Willets Point/Francis Lewis Boulevards and the Q34 should operate on the Weekends between Bayside-Francis Lewis Blvd and Flushing-Main Street, Q48/Q50 merger makes sense, and the Q32 extension to 108th Street also makes sense, this would make the Q32 closer to Casey Stengel Depot making it better for bus operators in that depot. Q26 should be extended to College Point via 14th Avenue and Parsons Boulevard which would make this route more useful.

12 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

You don't need a bus in every area just because it's a transit desert. This is an example. The people that live there like it the way it is. 

You may be right but from 2010 to 2013, people in Little Neck were complaining that the Q79 got eliminated so the MTA extended some Q36 trips in 2013, but have you ever seen more than 8 people on a Q36 bus along Little Neck Parkway? Cause most of the time there isn't.

14 hours ago, danielhg121 said:

But you said the LTD makes Limited Stops until Bell Blvd which is easily 75% of the route. The local riders all along Northern Blvd until Oceania Street would have the longest commute because the LTD bypasses their stop. Face it, just come out and say that you live in Douglaston or Little Neck and you want a faster commute at the expense of 60% of the ridership base of the Q12. In your scenario, the locals would be standing room only and the Limiteds would be carrying air.

The Q12 LTD would make stops at major intersections and transfer points, between Lippman Plaza/Union Street and Bell Boulevard, so it would have good ridership, the stops it would make would be:

Roosevelt Avenue & Lippman Plaza (WB) / Union Street (EB)
Sanford Avenue & Bowne Street (WB) / Sanford Avenue & Parsons Boulevard (EB)
Sanford Avenue & 150th Street (Connection for the Murray Hill LIRR Station)
Sanford Avenue & 162nd Street (Connection for the Broadway LIRR Station)
Northern Boulevard & Utopia Parkway
Northern & Francis Lewis Boulevards
Northern Boulevard & Oceania Street
Northern & Bell Boulevards
And then all Local stops east of Bell Boulevard

"Face it, just come out and say that you live in Douglaston or Little Neck and you want a faster commute at the expense of 60% of the ridership base of the Q12. In your scenario, the locals would be standing room only and the Limiteds would be carrying air."

I live in Auburndale, so close but no cigar for you! 

12 hours ago, NBTA said:

So you want service on Douglaston Parkway? I don’t think there’s a demand for that. “If you create the line the demand will increase”, I don't think it will.

This bus route could run between Jamaica-165th Street and Douglaston LIRR, Via Hillside Avenue, Winchester Boulevard, and Douglaston Parkway. I don't expect it to have very high ridership but it will be a route filler for an area with a transit dessert. 

On 6/28/2022 at 4:29 PM, MTA Dude said:

Here's a map of what I would do for the Queens bus redesign. It's not finished yet (so no labels) but hopefully it's enough to understand the details of each route. I recommend downloading the PDF since Google Drive's PDF viewer isn't that good IMO.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O2S3c3NDRbgXfH_oRwAFfIbeSaDuKxXl/view?usp=sharing

A few notes:

• The B62 isn't shown on the map but I would keep it the same as it is now north of Williamsburg, I didn't just leave Jackson Ave with no bus service.
• I have the Q11 going to Forest Hills and the Q21 going to Elmhurst
• No, that is not the Q49 merged with the B57
• Q52 still exists with its current day service pattern
• Flushing, Jamaica, and Rego Park are left blank, and that's because I still need to make separate insets for them. I'll list the routes that go through these hubs; routes not listed terminate within the hub.
• In Jamaica I want Archer Ave to be a full busway between Merrick and Sutphin, instead of what we currently have with Jamaica Ave. All routes except the Q56 currently on Jamaica Ave should be moved to this new busway.

Flushing:

• Q12 - Northern to Kissena Blvds
• Q17 - Sanford Ave to Linden Pl / College Point
• Q19 - straight across Roosevelt as proposed by the MTA
• Q20 - Main St to Mitchell Gardens
• Q25 - Kissena Blvd to Union St
• Q27 - 46 Av to College Point Blvd
• Q44 - Main St to Linden Pl / Whitestone Expy
• Q50 - GCP from LGA, makes a loop around Main, 39 Av, and Prince, then follows Q44 to the Bronx

Jamaica:

• Q6 - Hillside to Sutphin via Archer Ave, similar to what's proposed by the MTA
• Q9 - Utopia Pkwy to 130th St
• Q24 - merged with the Q42
• Q43 - merged with the Q40 running along Hillside Ave
• Q65 - extended past its current terminal to serve Tuskegee Airmen Way and the projects on 160th St
• Q110 - Jamaica Ave to Liberty Ave as proposed by the MTA

Rego Park:

• Q38 - Eliot Ave to 99th St / northern part of current Q23
• Q53 - same as current day
• Q57 - express "SBS" version of Q58, HHE to Eliot Ave
• Q59 - takes over the current Q38 to 108th St
• Q60 - across Queens Blvd

And here's the biggest changes to the Rockaways (taken from an older version of the map I made 2 years ago when the redesign was first released):

https://i.imgur.com/0OJpf2c.png

I'm probably the least confident with what I did with Maspeth. I thought I was doing something by moving the Q67 onto the LIE, but that only produces a significant time savings outside of rush hours when there isn't traffic. The Q18 was added at the last minute because I wanted to maintain access to industrial Maspeth from 69th St, but now I'm probably just overserving that area. And I just don't know what to do with the northern part of the Q103 or southern part of the Q38, since the Q67 is the only one in the area that match their frequencies and I don't like having them as standalone routes.

Not only is this map proposal is super out there, you still have a big transit dessert, there is zero North-South Queens local routes between Springfield Blvd and Little Neck Pkwy. Northeast Queens needs better treatment and well like the MTA themselves, you ignored this area of Queens. 

On 4/10/2022 at 12:07 PM, Joel Powers said:

The B65 from East New York Depot. It's somewhat a scenic line going westbound, especially late in the afternoon.

Maybe I should ride the B65 one day, I like scenic routes. 

On 3/29/2022 at 6:47 PM, FLX9304 said:

Mine is the  and the . Growing up was the  for 13 years before moving into the Deep South Bronx. I was near 3 subway stations: Jackson & Prospect Ave els  &  and 149th St underground . I also had the  on Prospect Ave before I started doing work for WA in 1989. Although back then, my high school was out of my zone and even when I moved to Queens before my senior year in Monroe. There was no (NYCTA) bus near me but 4 green bus routes: , , (at that time, it ended at Rockaway Blvd , and  (before the 1994 changes)), & . One Triboro bus (Q53) and one Jamaica . The 2 express route  and  ran non stop.  & BQM1 (now ) had a stop there. My last spot before leaving in 2001 was on Morrison Ave , the , & . Although I miss the city, it was time for me to move on to better spots outside of it where different bus companies and fixed routes are a common there. Certain cities outside have overnight service, smaller towns do not. Most small town TAs operate from 5:00A to 11:30P. 

 

Nice, for my most of my life, and currently, I live near the Q12, Q13, Q26, Q27, Q31, Q76, QM3, n20G (formerly the n20/n21) and the PW LIRR Branch. 

4 hours ago, danielhg121 said:

This wouldn't be a good idea because the Q12 mainly works as a subway feeder route. The peak direction is headed to Flushing in the mornings and in the evenings, the peak direction is headed out to LIttle Neck. The Q12 doesn't have enough ridership generators when headed out east, it'll mainly pick-up at Flushing and mostly be dropping off as it heads east. As you said, the busiest portion is along Sanford Avenue up to 165th Street where it connects to Northern Blvd, what's the point of running Limited all the way out to Bell Blvd? On the flip side, in the morning, the Q12 LTD would end up passing up damn near everyone along Sanford which is going to piss everyone off. You're going to end up running these Limited Trips with almost no one getting on them because they only stop at transfer points/major intersections but the Q12 tends to have ridership spaced out between the local intermediate stops. You may have 1 to 4 people getting on at each local stop while the Limited exists to serve only the transfer points. I would say that the local stops actually make up probably close to 60-70% of the ridership on the Q12 so you're ultimately doing a riders a disservice by running empty LTDs.

"the Q12 LTD would end up passing up damn near everyone along Sanford which is going to piss everyone off" Uh that is the point, Q12 LTD is for riders going to/from Flushing who live east of 165h Street and don't wanna spend 15 minutes along Sanford Avenue and wanna get to/from Flushing quicker, Q12 LTD would still stop at Parsons Blvd, 150th Street, 162nd Street along Sanford Avenue. Local service would still operate 24/7, Q12 LTD on the other hand would operate westbound towards Flushing-Main Street during Morning rush hours and eastbound towards Little Neck during Evening rush hours so riders on Sanford Avenue shouldn't worry at all.

On 6/15/2014 at 3:34 AM, Cait Sith said:

Not even sure. Most people complain about the traffic going to Flushing.

My stance on this is that if the QM3 used the LIE in both directions more people would ride it from Manhattan to Queens. Another thing is that the QM3 should make one more stop at Northern Boulevard/Main Street before going non-stop to Manhattan, this way the QM3 riders in Flushing don't have to walk all the way to the bus stop at Northern & Parsons Boulevard. For added QM3 trips I would add two more AM trips and two more PM trips, the two AM trips would leave Little Neck Parkway/Horace Harding Expressway at 8:00 and 8:30 AM respectfully, while the two PM trips would leave 6th Avenue/36th Street at 6:35 and 7:05 PM respectfully. 

Yes I know I am 8 years late with the reply. 

On 6/8/2015 at 6:34 PM, FamousNYLover said:

 

 

 

 

Even with sign, it wouldn't work. It happens on n4, n6, n22 and n24 along Hillside Av portion as well because Q12 bus is very slow, so some people pretend to go to Nassau County. It's same policy like MTA's $6.50 express buses that goes from four boroughs into Manhattan.

 

It wouldn't work even if bus is cleaned. Majority of bus riders they just throw garbage on floor.

Q12 is only really slow between Lippman Plaza and 165th street because that is where most Q12 riders get on and off, and I know from experience, whenever I take the Q12 from/to Flushing, there are people getting on/off at every stop from 165th street to Lippman Plaza, but from 165th Street to Glenwood Street, it's smooth sailing. Which brings me an idea, there should be a Q12 LTD which would make stops at Lippman Plaza/Union Street, Parsons Boulevard, 150th Street for a connection to the Murray Hill LIRR Station, 162nd Street for a connection to the Broadway LIRR Station, Utopia Parkway, Francis Lewis Boulevard, and Bell Boulevard. The Q12 LTD would make all stops east of Bell Boulevard.

On 2/6/2022 at 3:01 AM, Krocyoin said:

So to start this off, my favorite bus route is the Q12 cause of it's straight forward routing. 

Updating this, my favorite routes are the Q12, Q13, and the QM3. I know the QM3 isn't the best when it comes to ridership, but last month on a Friday, I got to ride the 7:50 AM QM3 trip from Northern Boulevard & 194th Street to Midtown, Manhattan with my friend, which I had to wake up at 7 AM to do so and there was a niche chunk of riders, 20 in total, including me and my friend.

On 6/28/2022 at 4:29 PM, MTA Dude said:

Here's a map of what I would do for the Queens bus redesign. It's not finished yet (so no labels) but hopefully it's enough to understand the details of each route. I recommend downloading the PDF since Google Drive's PDF viewer isn't that good IMO.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O2S3c3NDRbgXfH_oRwAFfIbeSaDuKxXl/view?usp=sharing

A few notes:

• The B62 isn't shown on the map but I would keep it the same as it is now north of Williamsburg, I didn't just leave Jackson Ave with no bus service.
• I have the Q11 going to Forest Hills and the Q21 going to Elmhurst
• No, that is not the Q49 merged with the B57
• Q52 still exists with its current day service pattern
• Flushing, Jamaica, and Rego Park are left blank, and that's because I still need to make separate insets for them. I'll list the routes that go through these hubs; routes not listed terminate within the hub.
• In Jamaica I want Archer Ave to be a full busway between Merrick and Sutphin, instead of what we currently have with Jamaica Ave. All routes except the Q56 currently on Jamaica Ave should be moved to this new busway.

Flushing:

• Q12 - Northern to Kissena Blvds
• Q17 - Sanford Ave to Linden Pl / College Point
• Q19 - straight across Roosevelt as proposed by the MTA
• Q20 - Main St to Mitchell Gardens
• Q25 - Kissena Blvd to Union St
• Q27 - 46 Av to College Point Blvd
• Q44 - Main St to Linden Pl / Whitestone Expy
• Q50 - GCP from LGA, makes a loop around Main, 39 Av, and Prince, then follows Q44 to the Bronx

Jamaica:

• Q6 - Hillside to Sutphin via Archer Ave, similar to what's proposed by the MTA
• Q9 - Utopia Pkwy to 130th St
• Q24 - merged with the Q42
• Q43 - merged with the Q40 running along Hillside Ave
• Q65 - extended past its current terminal to serve Tuskegee Airmen Way and the projects on 160th St
• Q110 - Jamaica Ave to Liberty Ave as proposed by the MTA

Rego Park:

• Q38 - Eliot Ave to 99th St / northern part of current Q23
• Q53 - same as current day
• Q57 - express "SBS" version of Q58, HHE to Eliot Ave
• Q59 - takes over the current Q38 to 108th St
• Q60 - across Queens Blvd

And here's the biggest changes to the Rockaways (taken from an older version of the map I made 2 years ago when the redesign was first released):

https://i.imgur.com/0OJpf2c.png

I'm probably the least confident with what I did with Maspeth. I thought I was doing something by moving the Q67 onto the LIE, but that only produces a significant time savings outside of rush hours when there isn't traffic. The Q18 was added at the last minute because I wanted to maintain access to industrial Maspeth from 69th St, but now I'm probably just overserving that area. And I just don't know what to do with the northern part of the Q103 or southern part of the Q38, since the Q67 is the only one in the area that match their frequencies and I don't like having them as standalone routes.

All I can say is wow, this is pretty out there, but I like how you designed the map. 

On 6/5/2022 at 9:14 PM, LTA1992 said:

I'm just here to ask if your name is a JoJo reference.

Yes, yes it is lol, I came up with this account name back in 2020.