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I thought Jamaica didn't want the 32s?

The 46s are workhorses that some could use some TLC. They are not "garbage", they have useful life left in them. The 42s are hanging on by a wing and a prayer and the 32s are just tired iron ladies having to stay around too long.

The original plan is written down as I stated. Mostly 5-car sets. The idea that this has changed seems mostly like rumors as I read this thread. I've yet to see anything that states that it has changed. I go along with the argument of flexibility and long-term use for these trains. The C needs a system where you can take away 120 feet of a consist or use a full 600 feet if so desired over it's own cars where the lines that share its platforms, all of its platforms are 600 feet. Catering the cars for the C seems very short-sighted especially for a line that hasn't been historically prioritized.

And you didn't check the source link. Of course, because nothing in the actual URL link states a specific order breakdown. We will just have to wait and see what happens, or if any official news comes out about the breakdown.

 

Y2Julio's post, 696 on this thread, page 35. I copied/pasted directly from that.

No where in that link does anything say that there will be 50 five car sets and 10 four car sets. I'm banking more on the people with ACTUAL inside information. So unless someone can produce recent textual evidence that the order is indeed for 50 five car sets and 10 4 car sets, then we're still scheduled for 260 cars in 4 car sets and the remaining 40 cars in 5 car sets.

 

50 5 set cars is 250 cars which is 25 trains. 25 trains that would presumably go on the A, C (as 10 cars) or 2nd Av. line. I think most if not all of these will go on the A line. 10 4 car sets is 40 which sound like they'll go to replace the R42, there's about 40 of those in service and those may go to the Eastern division. That makes 290 cars, 25 5 car train sets for 10 car trains and 5 4 car train sets for 8 car train sets that run on lines like the L and Z. This still has the order coming out mostly for the A line as I see it, the A is a 10 car 60 foot line. The remaining 10 were test cars that will go on a line like the A or 2nd Av I guess.

"Both got some welcome news when the MTA and Bombardier Transportation inked the contract to manufacture 300 new R179 subways cars at Bombardier’s Plattsburgh facility. The order specifies10 prototypes for testing and approval, followed by 50 five-car sets and 10 four-car sets, with revenue service expected around late 2016. "

Art, why can't the A use 10 car 60 foot trains like other major lines like the F that went from 8 car R46s to primarily 10 car R160s? When has the C ever got new equipment and why would the MTA prioritize the C over the A? The A isn't wedded to 75 footers.

The A will not run 8 car trains of 60 foot cars. Therefore, they will not be on the A in any large quantity.

 

Yes, the A runs 38 trains max AM rush and the R179 order is 300 trains. So, if most run on the A line, that's not even enough to cover the full 38, just 30 trains. And then some are 4 car sets for the Eastern Division, so it won't even be 30 trains. And some are slated for the 2nd avenue subway. The R46s still making up a good amount of the CPW trains and I can't see the C getting the priority of them over the A. Am I missing something?

I know that the C runs R32s and they are being replaced but I still see most of the R179s going more to the A than C. I see a few on the C at times, but most of them on the A and not the C line. The R46s will still be in service and be replaced by the R211s, right? I don't see the C running R179s while the A runs R46s.

The C is getting R179s. There is really nowhere else for most of them to go outside of the Eastern Division (which will of course get some too)

 

Has the MTA said what lines the trains will go on? Yes the 2nd Av. subway makes sense but I think they are going on the A line. Some may make it to the C line but I don't see the C being R179s while the A is R46s. I think the A will get the R179s, the R46s will go to the C as the R46s are not being replaced by the R179s, the R32s and R40s are. As long as I can remember the C/CC has never had new equipment and always has run the oldest equipment, or next to it, in the system. The A though has had new equipment, like the R44 back in the 70s. As far as the rendering goes, I think most passengers would think it looks enough like an R160 that it is some version of it, maybe inside the floors will be lighter, but it looks R143/R160-like.

I think if Jamaica gets the R179s to replace the R46s then they may assign them to the E and F, not the R or most of them to the E and F and a few to the R.

The A historically has gotten new cars, when the R46s were new the A ran them and the C ran the older cars. If the C gets new cars on the next order, 179s or 211s, it'll be a first that I can remember. I think C riders shouldn't expect new equipment even if it comes to the A.

I would expect them to knock off the remaining R46s on the and .

 

 

I don't see either the or getting anything new. We're likely getting R46s, then R68s (R211s sent to the ( and ). If we do get R160s, it's because they're headed for the scrap heap.

I doubt that. Newer cars have historically gone to the Queens express lines starting with the F and going a few weeks later to the E but now the E and F may get them first. If R179s go to Jamaica, I would more expect to see them on the express lines. And historically, the C never gets new equipment and runs some of the oldest B division equipment. So while the A might get new cars, the C may not.

I wouldn't be surprised if the get R179s being the lines run new tech cars so it would make sense and the Jamaica line would be full of new techs also. But the has the R211s to look to at least

To be honest, the R32s are about as old as the R68s.

Almost nothing on them besides the frame itself lasted through GOH. I personally think it was a mistake to consider their age as the day the frames and bodies were initially constructed, when the mechanics of the cars date to 1987-1990. The same holds for the R46s.

Yes, also the R32s are still around but only about 1/3rd of them. They were a big order and they are still around due to a problem train from the beginning, the R44, rotting out. They'll rattle and shake their way into 2017 and some will have to be put to pasture as they'll just wear out. I think the C line will continue to run the oldest equipment, I don't expect to see R179s on the C if the line is to be treated as it has been since the 60s.

It makes me laugh to see the blue on the R32 and R42s because that's not that far away from when they were new. Everything old is new again. The 32s originally had blue seats and walls and doors with blue and white tiled floors and so did the 42s. They were turned to beige to match the 44s look with the seats turned the gray/black color. All the R142/143 did was bring back the blue (ok periwinkle), the 142 to the seats and the 143 to the walls too but non-painted. Blue and silver look good together, beige and black not as good. If the R32/42 were to get a treatment to the new tech R142-R160s, it'll be really going back to the original 1960s interior paint scheme.

The R142 and R160 with the Alstom Onyx are the only interesting propulsion to my ears. I'm a musician and love hearing these trains with their musical tones. All of the others are typical wind-up propulsion sounds and I find them uninteresting. I also find these trains quieter than Siemens trains.

Yeah

R142 Alstom Onyx

R142A and 143 - Bombardier/Ad Tranz

R160 Alstom Onyx(but these repeat notes which is very annoying)

R160B-1(8843-9102) Siemens.

I don't think the line went 8 years straight without adding an odd R46 every now and then.

Was the the only Line that Ran 100% R32's for about 8 years straight? :eek: