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Why is there no bus between lower Manhattan and  Red Hook Brooklyn via the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel?

 I don't understand why there would not be a demand for this. It would give Red Hook residents a one seat ride to Lower Manhattan. There riders could travel to lower Manhattan in 15 minutes or less Plus you could have a bus traveling from Park Slope to South Ferry that would run down 9th street to City Hall via the Brooklyn Battery tunnel. The service could begin at Prospect Park West, travel from 9th st  to Hamilton Avenue and there the bus would travel under the BBT and terminate at City Hall. Currently  Red Hook has to rely on the very slow B57 and B61 buses to travel to downtown Brooklyn before they cant transfer to a train.

Why is there no bus between lower Manhattan and  Red Hook Brooklyn via the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel?

Yeah I also agree there's no need to send the B5 (in his plan) down to KP since a person has the B2 which would be 'more direct'. That's an interesting idea to send it up to the junction. {I would've figured they could just merge it with the B7 since the B7 runs part time to 16th st. That B5 could then be a 'full length' Kings Highway line.} Q35 should then be drop offs n/b and pickups s/b focusing mainly on the Queens end as opposed to a B41 backup/supplement line.

 

I don't feel like multi quoting, so here goes. I said I was considering breaking up the B43 and 47, but since there's little to no complaints about them, I'll leave them alone. Since the 82 is broken up, I'll cut back the 50 to Starrett and send the 83 back out there. As for my B5, I sent it to Kings Plaza since there's an "untapped market" and probably better than extending the B36 to KP. Your B5 isn't bad either. I don't understand why Gleason has so many routes. I kind of have an idea on how to restructure each Brooklyn division depot. If the B12 or 40 still served eastern Brooklyn, I would've sent one of them to Queens, in the process cutting back the Q7. The B14 to Ozone Park isn't bad either. I like GC's idea of full fledged Kings Highway route. Coney Island to Ocean Hill. Another untapped market. However, I'm kind of on the fence about making the Q35 closed door in Brooklyn.

 

The B82 should be left alone except an extension to Gateway Center Mall. The B14 should be combined with the old B71 route until it gets to court st/smith st from there it should go to lorraine st and end at Ikea. The Q35 route needs to be left alone.

can anyone tell me why T trains wont be running to South Ferry. Is it because of budget issues or environmental issues?

What does SI have to do with anything? They haven't even finished phase 1, let alone plan on starting phase 2.

That's what he will be for: 2nd av (north of 72nd) then transfer at 14th for the . Across the platform transfer as opposed to transferring at 59th or 14th st. So if you don't want to deal with the transfer, then stick with the overcrowded lexington av lines.

 

What makes me laugh right now is how heads are comparing headway between 2nd and Lex with the debate of walking to the Lex for faster headways. Let me put ya'll on to something. Headways don't mean anything if the trains are too crowded to board. And the whole "What if I need to go to SI factor"? Yeah. Like a one seat ride is guaranteed with every swipe. And why are we still talking about Bronx extensions?

 

I mentioned SI because the Lex Ave line got to the South Ferry, the second ave line as planned, does not. Think about it the Lexington Ave line is overcrowded even with 3 fast trains serving it. What makes you think that one T rain is going to really make much of the difference? If it was just served by the 6 than I would understand terminating the T at125th St but you are not going to significantly reduce crowding in the most congested line in the U.S by building a shuttle from Lower East Side to Harlem.

What does SI have to do with anything? They haven't even finished phase 1, let alone plan on starting phase 2.

That's what he will be for: 2nd av (north of 72nd) then transfer at 14th for the . Across the platform transfer as opposed to transferring at 59th or 14th st. So if you don't want to deal with the transfer, then stick with the overcrowded lexington av lines.

 

What makes me laugh right now is how heads are comparing headway between 2nd and Lex with the debate of walking to the Lex for faster headways. Let me put ya'll on to something. Headways don't mean anything if the trains are too crowded to board. And the whole "What if I need to go to SI factor"? Yeah. Like a one seat ride is guaranteed with every swipe. And why are we still talking about Bronx extensions?

 

I mentioned SI because the Lex Ave line got to the South Ferry, the second ave line as planned, does not. Think about it the Lexington Ave line is overcrowded even with 3 fast trains serving it. What makes you think that one T rain is going to really make much of the difference? If it was just served by the 6 than I would understand terminating the T at125th St but you are not going to significantly reduce crowding in the most congested line in the U.S by building a shuttle from Lower East Side to Harlem.

You mean a " to Dyre Avenue"? I would be in favor of doing that over hooking the into the Concourse Line, mostly because it also offers more travel options to the eastern Bronx. Really, the Concourse line doesn't need two full-time services and they would have to boot the rush-hour off the Concourse Line to make room for the . Running up 3rd Avenue would be an excellent option too; it would replace the long-gone 3rd Avenue el service.

 

(It's why I choose that as my handle.)

 

I totally agree with you.The T train running to Dyre Ave is the best option for me. The only thing that I concerned about is how they would build it since the dummies at the MTA cut a connection to the Dyre Avenue Line in the 70"s

Who knows, if the went up Concourse, we might just see the back at 168 St.

 

The does run parallel to the , , and lines, but have you even walked the distance from Lexington Avenue to 2 Avenue? It's a long walk. People who are on 3 Avenue, 2 Avenue, 1 Avenue, and York Avenue might not want to walk an additional 5 to 10 minutes when waiting for a less frequent train on 2 Avenue would amount to the same wait. That is all assuming they are going to destinations both reachable by the Lexington and 2 Avenue lines. As of phase 1, it's only true between 63 Street and 96 Street. Upper East Side residents who want to access the west side of Midtown Manhattan will no doubt take the 2 Avenue as taking the will entail a long walk from the Lexington Avenue platform at Grand Central.

 

That may be true but that is only a small portion of people. Basing a line on only 4 blocks(north-South) crossing about 136(East-West) blocks isn't the greatest idea. And anyways Third ave is only block from either line, so why would they go on the Second avenue one? Plus you would have to assume that all riders who live on the blocks are trying to get between Hanover Square and 125th St. What if a rider wanted to get to Brooklyn,or the Bronx? This line would not be of much use to them. Suppose I needed to get to Staten Island. The Second Avenue Subway has no links to the Ferry so a rider would have make two transfers just to do this. Rather than doing all that most riders probably would rather just walk 4 blocks to the Lex Avenue line.

Remember that the is essentially a for Manhattan. They function in similar ways, so 3 tracks, while optimal for possible express service/possible delays, aren't really necessary. I do think the provisions should be made if they want to add them later (drilling portals under the local tracks).

 

No the T as planned is not a G train. The G train goes between 2 boroughs(Brooklyn,Queens). The T only goes to one Manhattan. The G train does not replicate any other line. The T runs parallel to the 4,5,6 lines. The G trains serve areas with no subway alternative, the T does not. Why would a rider wait 5-6 minutes rush hour or 10-12 minutes off peak when they can just wait for the 4,5,6 trains which either one will make it up to 125th St. The Second Ave Subway llne will fail unless it is extended itself to the Bx. However I do not support a link up with the Grand Concourse Line. That would just be redundant. It should just jo up 3rd ave or swing towards Throggs Neck or Classon's point. Or better yet rebuild a connection to the Dyre Ave Line

Do you know what the word hinder means.... Extending the B36 all the way to the junction would make the route more slow & delayed than what it currently is.... Why would you want to make one of the main problems on the 36 worse....

 

You're not being realistic here with all this, buddy..... If you have the B44 serve sheepshead bay subway, then that ultimately defeats the purpose of extending the B36 & the B74 (lol) to the junction..... Such a plan would leave those patrons down by Emmons with nothing but a part time B4, and the express bus....

 

Well first of all, the B4 should be returned to full time service. Second the B 74 would go up stilwell ave from Coney island turn on neptune ave, proceed down neptune/emmons ave to nostrand ave, turn on nostrand ave and end at ave H. That route is not impossible and would help ease overcrowding on the B44. I mean just think about the B 74 is a Bus route frome Sea gate to Coney Island a route that one can walk to. The B74 is useless and should be extended

But it would hinder service on the B36.

 

I don't think the 36 needs to be extended past it's current eastbound terminal.....

Not to the junction, nor to kings plaza either (as some others have suggested)....

 

 

It would not hinder service on the B36 if the following options were proposed:

1.Extend the B74 to Ave h as well

2. Reroute the B44 to sheepshead bay train station via Voohies ave.

There hasn't been a reasonable alternative since the B4 (B4) bus route had been reduced east of Avenue Z and Ocean Parkway. I'm for the (B4) going back to the old ways, via Neptune Avenue.

 

As for the B36 (B36), I'd like to see that extended to Kings Plaza to take the load off that B3 (B3) bus route for those going between there and Brighton Beach/Coney Island for instance, that way those riders have a direct ride to the shopping mall from there.

 

How about running the B74 pass the Coney Island to Sheephead Bay along Neptune/Emmons ave to Knapps st. That would actually make the bus a useful bus service.

Bro one question? What serves Cropsey between 25th Ave and Stillwell? The renamed (B64) which becomes the "B5" under your plan?

I still agree with cutting the "B82" as i still felt one route should run between Canarise-Rockaway pwy. and Stillwell/Caser's Bay (B6) terminal. While the restored (B50) runs between Coney Island/Kings Highway and Gateway Mall/Spring Creek. Reactions and please clarify (B35)?

 

Why would you cut the B82 it serves just fine. I mean its not the fastest service but it rarely overcrowded. In fact I think they should have more B82 not less

I was thinking, would a B36 LTD work, stoping at Nostrand/U, Nostrand/Z, Z/Ocean Ave, bypass the station, next stop CI AVE, then the hospital, West 5th/Neptune, Surf/Stilwell and it's last stop, also West 33rd/Mermaid Ave U bound, just an idea, open to criticism.

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The B36 does not need alimited because it's to short of a ride, but I have an idea. How about extending the B36 to Ave H? That would really help out service on the B44.

I didn't see the need. Red Hook is an interesting neighborhood. With its proximity to the Battery Tunnel, I always thought a bus route terminating in Lower Manhattan would have been excellent....a modified B61 route going along Van Brunt st (terminating at the Ikea). It would be a nice short and sweet route--easily managed and simple. It would be 25 minutes TOPS from IKEA into Lower Manhattan where I used to work. People who live in the Hook face a transportation NIGHTMARE getting into manhattan--and the funny thing is that Manhattan is so terribly close.

 

This is a little off topic, but I thought the B71 should have been kept and extended into Lower Manhattan as well. Park Slope and Carroll Garden residents would have screamed for joy. So would some Crown Heights residents. That would have been a super route. I believe the MTA was considerding doing this at one point.

 

For me, I like keeping things simple and using existing infrastructure. Both routes would have been heavily used, no doubt.

 

However, if the were hypothetically extended into Brooklyn, I would have it go along 4th av as a local to 59th St and have it terminate at 8th avenue on the line. This would help connect the Chinatowns in Manhattan and Brooklyn, take tremendous pressure off the train in Brooklyn and provide riders another way to get to the East Side of Manhattan (at Metrotech --that transfer was LONG OVERDUE and at 4th Avenue for the and . This would also provide another connection point to the Lexington Av line at the Atlantic Av station. The and trains would also indirectly benefit as well.

 

This will also help tremendously with any service changes with the Lex line or 6th Av lines. It gives the MTA more flexibility and riders way more options.

The T train should not run in Brooklyn it should just be a local between the BK and BX just like the 1 train. There should be a express train that would go from the SAS to Brooklyn terminating at Kings Plaza. The ''H'' as iI shall call it would start a Kings Plaza head on down Uticca ave to Second ave in manhattan and up second ave into the the bronx.

So I guess we will never see a Utica ave subway line?