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On 6/3/2021 at 3:52 PM, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

The Bronx

• Bx15 (every 10-20 minutes)
• Bx19 & Bx21 (every 22.5 minutes)

Manhattan

• M2, M7 (every 20 min weekdays, every 30 min weekends)
• M15 (every 15 minutes)
• M102 (Weekdays Only, every 20 minutes)
• M104 (Weekdays Only, every 22.5 minutes) 

Outside of the M104, I know all these buses run right past major hospitals, so maybe that's why they are keeping enhanced service. Maybe the M104 is being kept for St Luke's, but a block off from Broadway 

On 8/19/2020 at 6:38 PM, Melbx15 said:

LMFAOO it’s the “can I get a ride ” for me because this is definitely the truth. 

There will be no change for a sizeable percentage of riders in my area. 

On 8/14/2020 at 10:25 PM, Deucey said:

Harlem didn't want it - there's enough Bronxites that drive to 125th that the parking issue was more of an issue than in other places that turned down bus lanes.

Personally, I would've asked they take the building at St Nick and 125th that used to host bingo - and the two buildings next to it - to build an hourly-only parking garage to free up the parking lanes on 125th, and then create a bus way with islands in the middle (like on Grant Hwy in the Bx) so it doesn't take 25 minutes to go crosstown on 125th via bus.

The interesting thing is between the Pathmark closing on on Lexington and the parking garage between 7th and Lenox, there were garages to use.  People do drive to 125th as you said, bu getting them to pay for parking when they would park on the street (possibly for free).  It's the double parking between mainly 8th and 5th that really hurt since the creation of the buslane.

On 8/12/2020 at 5:37 PM, B35 via Church said:

Putting this another way, the same way they throw a ton of service on the M101, they could've done the same thing to the M102 & kept that route running to City Hall... Routing-wise, I don't have a problem with the thing (M103), but service-wise/reliability wise, it's a god damn joke... Don't know how many times I've waited for an M103 in Kips Bay/Murray Hill to get to the Bayard stop, to see a sea of M101's & M102's before I get fed up & walk over to 2nd for the M15 to get to Chatham Sq.... Basically, the M103 looks good on paper, but in actuality, runs like garbage.

What you say about the M103 in the southern part of Manhattan, people north of 96th complain about with the M102.  So see a sea of M103s and M101s going north before a M102 shows up is annoying and then what's further annoying is that it will be usually a bunched M102s meaning if you miss that batch, you have to wait again.  

The other thing is this past Saturday morning before 8 AM, I'm waiting for a  M116 to go to home and in the span of 7 minutes, I see 2 M102s going uptown in a time when there's barely anyone out.  Even the M7 doesn't run that often on a Saturday Morning and any other time on Lenox you will more likely see a M7 come (unless it's those bunched M102s)

I just got off a 4200 series bus from MHV advertising OMNY being available starting May 31st at Noon. Of course there was fine print, but I carrying groceries plus the person sitting next to the sign so I couldn't read it closer. It couldn't be an old sign since it was placed right across from the rear doors. 

My opinion of the 101 (and the whole Lex / 3 Av routes) would be:

101: Ft George - 96th St

102: Limited south of 116th and Lex / 3rd

103: Unchanged 

Of course with the shortening of the 101, I would reallocate those buses to the 102 and 103. Those buses bunch too much and with a shortened 101, you don't need the same headways on it anymore.

Sidenote: I also get rid of that 116th and Park stop for NB 102s / WB 116s

Last few times out I've seen uptown M2 buses signed up as saying M2 Limited / M2 Worth St via 5th / Bway

Is there some future plan to send the M2 to Worth St or just some special occasion code I've been more recently seeing? 

14 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

I've also heard that NJT and NYC Ferry are also actively considering the technology themselves but nothing official yet.

If NJT gets involved, is it possible that SEPTA could join?  I'm just thinking that OMNY could become the E-ZPass of Public Transit in the region 

3 hours ago, Lil 57 said:

Bx15/M125: So they decided to split the Bx15 to improve reliability on that route, ok. But I feel like this split could have been done better. The routing of the M125 is fine but the Bx15 should have it's western terminal in Manhattan to make connections to the subway and other Manhattan bus routes, preferably the 125th Street  station with the M35 and M102 (Maybe have some Bx15 buses short-turn at The Hub if they are too concerned about reliability). The M125's main issue is the proposed frequencies. The  says that the M125 would run every 8 minutes or better all day. With the M101 and the M60 SBS covering most of 125th street (The M100 is going to be cut back to Amsterdam/125th), I believe that this Bx15/M125 split would end up having the same fate as the M5/M55 split with the M125 getting the shorter end of the stick and ultimately end up running every 15-20 minutes most of the day. Unless if they take the M101 off of 125th when the Manhattan redesign comes, the M125 would be there just for coverage.

I just have this feeling when it comes to the Manhattan redesign and the Lexington Avenue routes, the 101 will be shorted to either 96 or Hunter College, the 103 becomes the limited, and the 102 doesn't change.  

But there's no real direct path for the 101 to get front Amsterdam to Lex/3rd without using 125th. So the 125 and the 101 have to be the local to the 60. 

As for the Bx15 going to Lex, it will still suffer from the Triboro.  So I can understand why they would leave it in the Bronx.  But true Bus Lane enforcement of 125th is needed and the 60 should have been one of the routes that have cameras to issue tickets as well. 

21 hours ago, EastFlatbushLarry said:

bx15 - I'm extremely pleased with this proposal strictly from an operator's perspective. ask any former/current 126 st/100 st/MV/West Farms/KB depot operator how disgusting two-fifth traffic is... and how late they've been as a result. case in point the bx15. bronx ridership suffers immensely because of the two-fifth crawl. I'm actually amused to see that certain members' suggestion of a 'M125' may come to fruition. i feel bad for the customers. hopefully there'll be a free continuation transfer between the M125 (that'll be weird to say) and the bx15.

M100 - YES! YES! oh sweet Lord, YES 100 times over! let Kingsbridge rejoice, and sing lamentations to the heavens. I'm personally tired of carrying air across two-five on southbound M100 runs, and management is dead tired of sending 100's across two-way piling on dead miles, so to speak.

M125 - a good idea i suppose, i wonder who gets this assignment... Manhattanville, i presume?

Back when I worked on the East End JC for the city, I would use the M100 to work and the BX15 from as I knew both would be mostly empty.  Nice way not to stress coming or going to work.  But I can tell, especially on the PM rush, the Triboro will kill reliability on all the buses coming going east past Lenox.  It doesn't help that even now with the bus lane, that enforcement is minimal.  So this is pretty much the MTA's way of dealing with both issues. M100s won't have to short at 5 Ave, Bx15s won't have to end at Lexington and more room for the M60, M(1)25, and the M101

1 hour ago, EastFlatbushLarry said:

most uptown folks don't ever call 125th street 'one hundred and twenty fifty street'... call it two-five & keep it pushing. so yes, as much as I'd like to see this, unfortunately it'd make more sense to maintain the status quo with the other x-towns

 

speaking of the kiss-me-ass 101... if/when they redesign the Manhattan network... first line that should be sent to the guillotine is this p.o.s. i swear to God

Most people just say last number for 125th, 135th, and 145th.  So a M25 would have made more cultural sense but only to those who live in the area (espcially how all the other crosstowns equal the street number.

Speaking of which, when they do come to Manhattan, I feel like a lot of the through-Harlem N/S routes will suffer.  The M101 being split will be good.  But I can also see them taking the M3 & M4 off of 5th/Madison for expanded M1/M2.  The M7 being shorted to Times Sq or Columbus Circle seems highly likely as well since a lot of those buses already end there during the rush.

Today is the last day that the original first stop for the M60 (125th/7th Ave).  Of course I wish they kept it for legacy reasons but I know why it's gone in 77 minutes.  Maybe that B32 has the potental to be the next breakout M60 if treated right.

So I leave McDoanlds this moring around 930ish thinking oh, an M2 shouldn't be that long away.  I check Bus Checker (modded) on Z10 and see 24 minutes.    I say, that can't be right.  I check the moblie bustime app and sure enough it was right (155th and Edgecombe Ave).  I decided to walk home.   Around 1005 I hear said bus go by from my window (which isn't that far from the McDonalds). 

This is the thing that infurates me about how ran into the ground the M2 has become.  

I saw KB, TU, and OS buses when I was there earlier.

and gun hill..i saw 5741

The two times I was out, besides those listed, MV, MQ, & WF was there as well.   DIdn't see much of WF but there was a couple I saw

Who's providing the shuttle buses for the and ?

Looks like a Manhattan and Bronx depots project

Yeah, but the M7 bunches like crazy though.... and w/ SB M7's then having to deal with holland tunnel traffic, that is going to get ugly....

the M20 goes as far north as lincoln ctr.... the M7 still has to go on to serve the UWS & Harlem.....

And making the M7 that long would degrade UWS and Lenox riders who suffer from other routes who bunch (M11 / M102)

M2: Will be a limited bus rush hours only like the current M1 pattern, except only certain trips.

 

Reason: Some people will scream at me and say why the hell would I truncate the M2 as a rush hour only limited. The M2 does do well on limited stop service, but to see the reason why, Look below

 

M3: Will be the new 5th Avenue limited stop bus during the week

 

Reason: The M3 is the longest after the M5 of all the 5th Avenue routes. However, the M2 has limited stop service meanwhile its shorter than the M3. Most people taking the M2 limited really get on from the limited stops, not from the ACPJB portion. So this will at least speed up the bus service in a way

No reason to make the M2 suffer for the M3. Between 34th and approx 86th, M1-M4 riders are interchangeable, North of 86th, each route has it's defined riders. By switching M2 and M3, the M3 would have surplus buses running lighter as LTD and the M2 would have packed buses if headways remained the same. As they say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it and the majority of 5th/Madison Ave corridor routes work fine as it is (excluding either the M1 or M2 [more preferably for me M2] going to S. Ferry)

The Bx1 is long enough. If this were to happen, then it plays an issue with the Bx2, because both share equipment down in Mott Haven. Also don't think it would work to get Artics turning up at 137/Edgecomb. 135th St Between 7th and St. Nich is pretty tight with only 2 lanes open, rest is parking.

 

What I would do is extend the Bx33 North of 135th to 140th, up 140th to Convert (for via CCNY, or AMS) and down to 135th and end it somewhere on Broadway.

 

The Bx5, no point. Ridership isn't high enough. Bx5 has a much higher ridership West of White Plains Road. Plus you already got the Bx12, Bx23, Bx29, Q50 for that..

 

I can concede the Bx5 idea because the theory was based on that shoppers would want Bay Plaza over White Plains Road.

As for the Bx1, while the idea of sharing units is good, they can easily move from 138th - 3rd to 135th - St. Nicholas if they need a Bx1 to run as a Bx2 as well in the North Bronx. As for length, all you would be adding is .9 of a mile to a route. But to compromise, what if only half of the runs would go to 135th - St. Nicholas where as the remainder would still go to the current terminal?

As for the Bx1 idea, the goal is not to make it too long. It might hit some traffic in M

 

At most, it would get delayed on the Madison Ave bridge going north. 135th St is not a heavy used crosstown street like 125th or 145th

Here are two ideas that may work

Send the Bx1 over to 135th St & St. Nicholas. At the same time, you can reduce service on the Bx33 to 25 minutes all times besides Sunday AM

Weekend Bx5 service extended to Bay Plaza. Some of the Summer weekend service would still go to Orchard Beach.

I have mixed feelings about sending the Q19 to Manhattan....

The M60 could use the help, but at the same token, I do think the Q19 should remain within mainland Queens....

I see what your saying and could say that the extension to 125th-Park would be a weekday only extension. It seems as 125th/RFK isn't as backup on weekends.

The only other problem I see which could be fixed by the Port Authority would be making Route A have a stop on Astoria Bvld and 82nd St so that those who take the Q19 wouldn't have to send a second+ fare after transfering from the 4,5,6, Metro North, or E. Harlem bus service

Throwing this out there to see if it gets a pop: Extend the Q19 to 125-Park Ave? Not all runs have to 125th - Park ave but sending some could help the M60 crossing the Triboro.

From 31st & Astoria cross Triboro and stops the M35 stops on 126th and 124th St. Last stop & layover would be near side 126th St & Park Ave. First stop would be at the M98 Stop on Park Ave - 125th St. Stops on Lexington ave at 124th & 126th could be establish as needed.

I know how the service planners think. THey like to throw cold water on everyone else's ideas.

 

The current weekend service pattern complies with the Bus Loading Guidelines, and a simple extension to 96 St would add an extra bus on the weekend, increasing operating costs by $25,000 annually. In other words, it would require an extra 20,000 annual riders, or 385 extra riders each weekend to ride an extra half-mile in order to be cost-neutral!!!! I only see an extra 200-250 each weekend.

 

Based on these, I don't think the service planners would recommend such an extension.

 

If that's the case where you missing at most 185 new riders, I saw take the risk, if I was running it. If after 6 months the idea didn't catch own, then you could shut it back down to 106. If anything you could shift a run from the M10 to bring the balance.

As for the M116, I can tell you they must have checkers at times when school is out. M116 summer service isn't the same as M116 during the rest of the year. For a route that brings in profit, better headways couldn't hurt it at all

M2 - Operate southbound via the current M5 to South Ferry all times except late nights. Return via State St, Battery Pl, Trinity Pl, Church St, Worth St, Centre St, and Lafayette St, then current routing.

Before extending the M2 service anywhere, can we please do something about it's off-peak service. Mid-day and evening service are just horrible. Pretty much I have shifted from the M2 to the M7 coming home from work because there is more M7 downtown service then M2.

- The M10... yeah, the Harlem portion I truly think kept that route alive.... well that, and the political clout UWS-ers hold.....

The former of the above, Same with the M1 in Harlem - You see what they did w/ that route on the weekends...

The M1 weekend service is doomed as it is now. The M1 doesn't really have any great destinations that it serves and unlike the M10, it is on wrong side of 125th St to pickup shoppers. If they really want to keep the weekend stub service, the least they could do is send it down to 96th St. Giving it Mt. Sini and Carver Houses would at least keep it from being killed off completly. M1 Harlem support isn't like M10 or even Bx33 Harlem support

Some other north 96th St ideas

M116 service still needs a bump from 12min to 10 minutes in the midday. Evening could go from 15 to 12.

DO NOT SHORT THE Bx15! The Bx15 as the 125th St crosstown is fine as it is. RFK traffic is what kills it going to the Bx (as well as when police want to take one lane on 125st to do a police checkpoint)

M35 service is fine but I do see, in the long term, the switch to LFSA when there are much more.