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12 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

There's no need to run the  all the way to Queens at night. There is an argument however to run it up to 57th/7th from about 11:30PM to 1 AM as ridership on Broadway can be pretty high then.

You could easily increase  service, or push  service an hour later, before you need to extend the  to a different destination for an hour only.  service on the 60th Street tunnel can be fairly packed after midnight going to Astoria, but not nearly enough to warrant service to Queens Blvd. 

Bernie’s A Division “Please step aside, and let the customers off the train first” is my favorite. 

12 minutes ago, Lance said:

You do realize you're referring to a service that hasn't existed in well over 20 years, right? Not only has ridership changed within that time span. So has Transit's approach to labeling services, which is why we no longer have  trains or similar such services.

For the record, I have not ever ridden those trains back in the day as I wasn't on this earth back in the '80s.

Well, just under 20 years, July of 2001, but you make a fair point. 

2 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

 the train of "choice" for those on the Upper East Side (I'm sure some of them love the idea that it ends at 96th street for a number of reasons).

The real reason for those “some” is that they don’t have to fraternize with the less-affluent persons from East Harlem and the Bronx. It’s basically their train. Speed wise, the  is faster. 

1 minute ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Based on your previous comments you appear to be. 

The only argument I’m making is that Lower Broadway doesn’t need additional weekend service beyond the . It was just the  on weekdays until last year. 

The current  and  serves a purpose on the weekdays, but the weekend  is only there to supplement  riders, which is only necessary between QBP and TSQ. The goal should be to get trains back into the effected area as quickly as possible. 

Just now, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

One empty  train makes squat.  Weekends, the  is packed, and so are the local trains with people coming and going. In fact the  is really become slammed since it started terminating at 96th.  They really need to run more  service because the waits are long for whatever reason and then when a train finally comes it's slammed beyond belief. A lot of the ridership is coming for tourists and we have record levels of them coming here. The  needs to step up their game and provide adequate service. It's not cute to go shopping only to be smashed on a train with your bags because of such stingy service.  

Am I disagreeing with you there? SAS needs more service, 4th Avenue needs more service, heck most of New York needs more service. 

55 minutes ago, Lance said:

 what makes you think they'll figure out trains to Canal St?

I’m not sure if you rode the  back in the 80s and 90s (when it was running via Montague), but I did. During weekdays, when they couldn’t send all the trains to Sea Beach, they short turn trains at Canal (not Whitehall) and it worked like a charm. 

Broadway could use all of the service that it gets. Downtown is becoming more residential by the day. New restaurants opening down there. It USED to be dead on weekends. That is changing. Those trains are PACKED. They need to have the run express and have the and as the local counterparts.

I ride from QBP to DeKalb Tues-Sat, and most of the time, I see the  empty at Prince St southbound during the peak of the AM Rush. Astoria needs the extra service, and you can’t send more trains through DeKalb, that’s the only reason the supplemental service exists. 

1 hour ago, S78 via Hylan said:

It’s just easier and less confusing to have the  run as riders are more familiar with that than short turning  runs and delaying  service at Canal St. Plus, Lower Manhattan and the local stations along Broadway see many tourists even if no one is going to the district. 

On another note, you seem to really hate the  based on your posts even before the line’s revival in 2016.

The  today serves a purpose. It throws a wrench in my life (well, the  leaving Queens does) but it’s functional. On the weekends? No reason for it. 

It’s extremely stupid to run the  at all on the Weekends. No one, and I mean no one, needs the Financial District on the weekend, and those who do can easily take the . 

The only place you need supplemental service is between Qboro and TSQ. 

Since the headways were every six minutes combined (or every twelve for each line) it would make more sense to run additional ’s and have them short turn at Canal. This way they can be more flexible and not have their hand forced to dispatch out ’s, and they can get the trains back up to Ditmars quicker. 

It’s absolutely absurd, considering the ’s are technically ’s internally. 

5 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Why is the MTA rushing to make all QBL trains NTT'S when the QBL CTBC won't be complete until 2024??

Whereas the Canarsie shutdown is much more urgent and much more imminent.

The MTA needs to do the right thing by increasing service and adding extra reliable subway cars on all lines affected by the Canarsie shutdown.

They shouldn’t focus on that. The  wouldn’t get that until QBL CBTC switches become an issue, which is usually 3-4 years before activation, or 2020-2021. 

14 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Any r46's that may go to the  and  would come from the  or  in exchange of r160's. 

Remember, the  and  will be affected by the Canarsie shutdown in terms of ridership. 

This is just an idea, which is to have all the lines affected by the Canarsie shutdown to have as many NTT's as possible in their fleet, to increase reliability.

No, the R46’s for the  would come from the , so Queens Blvd can be 100% NTT. Then, the  would be slated to get R211’s.

27 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Not only that, but I fear that confusion will emerge if the got R46's, since the does go to other terminals other then Whitehall, and the R46 programs tend to get stuck in cars, as well as the bad PA systems on some of them.

That’s my one fear with the R46 in Astoria.

They won’t dispatch an R68  with  roll signs, but conductors could very easily incorrectly program, or have a broken program on the R46. I feel like 33% of the Queens bound ’s say “To Bay Ridge” because conductors don’t think to re-program it, or the program is jammed. 

Obviously, this is still better than rollsigns, but the R46 aren’t a perfect option. Not to mention that the 30 R46 from the  will not be enough to cover the  fleet, you’d need at a few more sets of R68 in addition to what you already have. 

38 minutes ago, officiallyliam said:

London has shorter stop spacing than the subway here.

It just goes to show that, yes, we could have clean stations if the MTA was better with funds, but closing stations is not the answer.

Astoria is a huge indication of this. All the mom & pop stores are closing, and only the mega-corporations that can pay the rent are staying. Foot traffic is essential.

http://weheartastoria.com/2018/01/30th-avenue-subway-closure-problems-astoria-closings-challenges-chains/

1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

This is one of the most logical scenario.

 Keep in mind the A has more subway cars than the C. Therefore, if all C trains consist of full length r46's, the A will still have r46's in addition to the r179's and r32's.

The question will be what would happen to the r68's on the G. It should go to the B or D trains.

Probably over to the  train, as some of it’s R160’s go to the  .

1 hour ago, officiallyliam said:

If I remember correctly, no rolling stock is being retired until post-Canarsie shutdown. The 50 remaining R42s, as well as all remaining R32s, will be around until after the shutdown, even after the full R179 delivery. However, the R42s will be moved from the - starting closer to the shutdown, the will have a 100% NTT fleet. This is to improve reliability and speed up the Williamsburg Bridge crossing, as NTTs cross faster than 32s and 42s. (The biggest capacity increase could be had if Transit loosened or removed some of the timer restrictions on the bridge, but that's another story.)

The R160s which currently live on the should be returning to ENY for service . As we know, the potential assignments for 32s during the shutdown have been controversial - they won't be on the (which I think will be all 600-foot trains for the shutdown) or the (see above). As for the handful of 42s, my guess is that they'll just follow the 32s to wherever those end up, but I could be wrong.

Correct, the 42’s will be around through the shutdown. We will have a brief period of time between now and the shutdown with a car surplus. 

On February 22, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Lance said:

I don't know if anyone has noticed, but they've removed the chimes that play before the automated announcements on the M8s.

This has gone on for a year on the M7a, and has just started on the M8. 

Modification has been coinciding with Security Camera installation. 

Well, I’m going to step away from the Transit Forums for a little while. I thought Lance did a good job pulling the reigns in when he closed that “Lounge” and the Canarsie thread, which was being a hostile digest from every perspective, and now a thread talking about a new train (which just had it’s first production set enter service) is swamped with theories  on R32’s moving around, again. 

To make matters worse, Fiorello N Train, who apologized on “behalf” of the forums for the mockery yesterday, says, “well, I see we are talking about this, so let me take back my apology and throw in my two cents again”. 

There is some truly fantastic content here by some brilliant minds, young and old, but this is getting out of control, and I don’t want waste time reading this anymore. 

On December 29, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Lawrence St said:

A Coney Island Bound train derails at 42nd St-Bryant Park, smashing into the support beams in the tunnel and eventually crashes into the wall on the northbound track. This causes structural instability on the entire 6th Avenue Line from 14th St to 57th St, and it will take at least a week to repair the damage.

 

Reroute away!

Suspended 

Via 8th Avenue Exp between 59th and W4, and via the between BwyLaf and Coney Island (Culver)
via the  between Lex/63rd and Atlantic/Pacific and the  between Pacific St and Coney Island (West End)

 reduced via 8th Avenue Local b/t W4 and 5/53; Rush Hours some to Chambers St

 via Montague; Bwy Lcl, Rush Hours some to Whitehall St.

 Suspended

3 minutes ago, MTA Bus said:

From what I'm hearing, the R42s might be here for a little while longer, just not on the (j).

h, really? 

ctually, I’ve heard that too. 

(P.S - Even if wht I’ve heard is wrong, they will have to stay on the Shuttle until the full line re-opens, so they are guaranteed to be around thru Spring 2018. 

23 hours ago, Caelestor said:

I've said before that extending the  up to 149 St would be the most cost-effective Phase 2 for SAS. The extension would offer the fastest Bronx route to the stops along the Broadway and 6 Ave lines, and in the process would relieve both the 7 Ave and Lex Ave lines. 

The capital and operating budgets are separate, so I don't think SAS construction will affect the .

That being said Nassau Street is a huge-huge issue. 

Ridership is so low (borderline nonexistent during weekends and completely empty during overnight hours) that there is little to no-motivation to renovate Chambers or Canal/Bowery. If they had another 2010-esc cut, I’d bet the  would be on the chopping block, and weekend  would get cut back to Essex Street. 

31 minutes ago, quadcorder said:

Where do you store the trains? The center express track?

I'd say it's worth considering running one with temporary platform edge extensions and A Division cars, it could even run to Hudson Yards off-peak.

That’s what I’d do. Temporary platform extensions for a  Shuttle between Ditmars and QBP. Bring in some R62’s (you’d only need 4-5 sets), and add some  stickers Franklin  style. 

11 hours ago, engineerboy6561 said:

The gist of the plan is that the  would be rerouted to serve 96 St with the  including express service through 49 St, the  would be suspended, and the  would have to take 63 St, then use the crossovers at 63rd and Lex to get on the Broadway tracks and the 57 St crossovers to the local tracks to serve 49 St and local stops. Run a Q102A limited from Astoria-Ditmars to 57 St-7Av, with stops at all Astoria stations, Queens Plaza, QBP, 57th and Lex, 57th and Madison, 59th and 5th, and 57th and 7th; support the new bus traffic by claiming one lane in each direction on the QB lower roadway as bus-only.  Possibly supplement with rush-hour QM22 restoration to cover all the rush-hour Astorian passengers going to Manhattan and you might be able to swing it.

You wouldn’t consider running a  subway shuttle in Queens?

60th Street Tunnel needs to be closed for a Canarsie Tube-esc shutdown for a period of 2-3 years. 

Keep in mind that while all the Astoria stations are usable, there is no B division yard access, and two years is a long time without heavy maintenance. 

Speaking of GO’s that the MTA used to do, who remember’s the to Ocean Parkway with through service at Stilwell from 2005 or 2006? It came from Sea Beach to Ocean on the  platforms, and came from Ocean to Sea Beach/4th Ave on the platform. 

The  was suspended all weekend during that G.O.

4 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

This roster sheet only lists the official in-service assignments, hence the  only having 12 R42s and there only being 3 R68s on the  and no mention of the R160  or R143  

The thing with the  is just a column error... the R68A line should say zero.

You are right about the R42, but the  and  regularly has four trains in Queens alone. There are five sets dedicated to the  and , and often more (and sometimes less) when things happen with the R160.