Q90

Jesus effin Christ...

...ok kid, lets break it down as simply as it can get...

...when exactly you was over here near Linden? How often do you take the B15 & B35? See these questions here?

Unless you ever been on the route more then once, or actually VISIT the area you're trying to post ridiculous ideas that work benefit no one, please sit down and stop going off what google maps tell you.

Been living in the area and taking both those buses since before you were about to leave out the house on your own.

...that is of your even able to leave the house on your own...kid

Oh boy.....

 

I've been to Linden Boulevard and I know about the goddamn B15 and B35. Also I don't rely on maps for information, I actually look stuff like this up. And again quit calling me kid Dirty Pond.

What do the , , , , , and , among others serve? There are other surface routes that serve the west side of the park, too. The B41 is not the only route to Prospect Park.

and don't go to the main part of Prospect Park and the and bypass Prospect Park after Grand Army Plaza. And the and are crowded too.

Same for a New Utrecht Av route, McDonald Av, Ocean Av, Eastern Pkwy and Atlantic Av. If I forgot any other busless corridor, let me know

Oh and you also forgot 4 Avenue which obviously has the running down it's full length. Also btw, 65 Street and Avenue P are also busless but it is necessary to have a bus serve those 2 streets.

You do realize past Utica or remsen linden needs no bus right I think that was the basis behind fresh pound's argument which is why it doesn't apply to my proposal or is rather ineffective. You should just have it end at Franklin and eastern parkway cause B71 merger would be extremely long. Downtown Brooklyn is not going to work for several reasons I will outline them later. or serve empire blvd.

Actually it is still necessary for coverage. And what does the B71 have to do with this? And Downtown Brooklyn, well people would use it to Prospect Park which would relieve the B41.

Same for a New Utrecht Av route, McDonald Av, Ocean Av, Eastern Pkwy and Atlantic Av. If I forgot any other busless corridor, let me know

It's Ocean Parkway, not Ocean Avenue. Ocean Avenue has the B49.

Your the one with the obsession against anything I say dude. Why you think the route is structured as a direct route it's like a faster B15 that serves lefferts gardens. Meaning it's not getting it's ridership from linden anyways. However Q90 is trying to serve the whole corridor which just doesn't warrant that kind of service. The alternatives are terrible. And a bitch to get to however I never suggested a route on linden west of kings hey which renders your argument ineffective thanks to an increasing number of jobs between brooklyn and queens. Years ago such a route would fail nowadays not exactly true anymore. This argument is a waste and is like 3 sides battling for what internet points.

 

Actually QJT, I'll have the route go from Downtown Brooklyn to JFK through Prospect Park/Lefferts Gardens while utilizing Linden Boulevard. I'll map it out another day.

There's no need for a bus route there in the first place, let alone a bus lane. What part of the B15 being 2 blocks away do you not seem to comprehend?

...kid

B15 only runs near half of Linden Boulevard and even then it's slow and unreliable and same thing with the B35. And QJT is right about people going to eastern Brooklyn from Prospect Park/Lefferts Gardens and even JFK Airport. And Linden is a great access corridor from Lefferts Gardens to eastern Brooklyn/JFK.

 

...Dirty Pond

Listen kid, I live along the 15 and the 35, and take both them routes damn near daily. Linden isn't that far from Church (1 block), and Hegeman/New Lots Avs (1-2 blocks). There's absolutely no need for it.

 

Here's a little lesson on Linden Blvd...

 

From its beginning at Flatbush Av all the way down to the super intersection with Kings Hwy & Remsen Av is has one driving lane in each direction. Its also a major truck route since they aren't allowed on Church Av. Buses would have an extremely hard time there; in fact, the B35 is having problems there now since they have to use it between Bedford & Flatbush Avs. You cant rid of parking lanes since there's nowhere else to park.

 

Wikipedia helps, hell even Google maps...

 

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NY_27

 

First off stop calling me kid and secondly I know that . It's only for the multi lane section. And I said the bus lanes would be in the central sections. The parking is on the side sections and name me one multi section road that allows parking on the middle sections .

What do you mean there was no demand for the / . Of course there was. More then half the riders on the pre-2010 were going to Manhattan, the MTA even mentioned that in the proposal they were doing.

WTF are you talking about? I said nobody DEMANDED it meaning no one asked the MTA to do it. I never said there was no demand. There's more demand to Midtown than Downtown I know that! But MTA did it anyways and it was a success.

Linden doesnt warrant bus service. Why do you think nobody on the corridor ever asked for bus service on it?

It would be probably similar to the / merger. Nobody demanded it however it was successful anyways. Linden Boulevard lacks coverage and don't bring up the B15 or B35 as they aren't as close as you think and they are overcrowded and unreliable.

The End - Bullet for My Valentine

 

 

Just like Queens Blvd, a lot of people don't want a bus lane on Linden Blvd.

Really I don't f**king care about some stupid NIMBYS. They should get the f**k out of NY if they can't stand transit projects. Also the bus would operate on the central lanes of Linden so no parking is lost. Sorry for dropping the f-bomb, I'm just pissed right now.

Problem is too many connections to downtown Brooklyn are available. And residents in that area lefferts gardens can use a bus to JFK. problproblem that makes B84 a long U shaped line.

Well it would no longer serve New Lots and it would go to Kensington where the B67/69 end.

And last time I checked, a route on Linden is anything but fast..

It's called adding bus lanes.

Not even close dude you fail at guessing.

 

keywords HOW YOU RUN IT!!! read below.

 

 

well it is how lefferts gardens folks get to queens and JFK remember how much the sucks. Ohh FYI I never suggested a JFK to downtown Brooklyn line anyway. However such a route would fail which is why my version doesn't do that nor would it even stay on linden past remsen ave anyway. I never suggested a downtown Brooklyn to linden Blvd line you made that up yourself.

 

 

Want 3 ok reason 1 the to JFK runs like ass and is a PITA to get to via transfers. Reason #2 the B15 is embarrassingly unreliable and crowded. Let's not get started on B35 either. Reason#3 this proposed route would go via remsen to Winthrop to Albany then Clarkson serving Kingsbrook Jewish med center and would serve the downstate med center and residents on Clarkson to boot. Or it can stay on Winthrop to avoid traffic and this means additional connections. Or it can use Albany or NY ave to Lenox to reach residents there. Reason #4 linden Blvd is a connector to link that neighborhood to queens and JFK quickly. Especially for prospect lefferts gardens folks.

 

 

ok I admit a separate line would be better.

B84 should serve Foster Avenue. And the Linden Boulevard route is SBS. So Downtown Brooklyn to JFK via Prospect Park yeah I'll have it do that but I will map it out another day.

This has been discussed too. Would it be rush hour or all day?

I would have planned the LTD's operating hours like this:

 

Weekdays: 5:30am-12:30am

 

Saturdays: 6:00am-12:00am

 

Sundays: 6:00am-11:00pm

Also speaking of the B15, it needs limited service. The route is long and a lot of people use it too and it is as the buses are constantly packed Here are the following limited stops:

 

Bedford-Stuyvesant to JFK 

 

Broadway/Marcus Garvey Boulevard (start)

Myrtle Avenue/Marcus Garvey Boulevard

Dekalb Avenue/Marcus Garvey Boulevard

Gates Avenue/Marcus Garvey Boulevard

Halsey Street/Marcus Garvey Boulevard 

Fulton Street/Albany Avenue

Atlantic Avenue/Albany Avenue

Utica Avenue/Dean Street

Eastern Parkway/Ralph Avenue

Sutter Avenue/Ralph Avenue ( )

Church Avenue/East 98 Street

Rockaway Avenue/Hegeman Avenue

Van Sinderen Avenue/New Lots Avenue ( )

Pennsylvania Avenue/New Lots Avenue

Ashford Street/New Lots Avenue ( )

Euclid Avenue/Linden Boulevard

Eldert Lane/Linden Boulevard 

79 Street/Linden Boulevard

Lefferts Boulevard Airtrain station (all LTD buses make local stops from this point towards JFK Airport)

 

JFK to Bedford-Stuyvesant

 

Lefferts Boulevard Airtrain station (first LTD stop)

79 Street/Linden Boulevard

Eldert Lane/Linden Boulevard

Euclid Avenue/Linden Boulevard

Ashford Street/New Lots Avenue ( )

Pennsylvania Avenue/New Lots Avenue

Van Sinderen Avenue/New Lots Avenue ( )

Rockaway Avenue/New Lots Avenue

Church Avenue/East 98 Street

Sutter Avenue/Ralph Avenue ( )

Eastern Parkway/Ralph Avenue

Utica Avenue/Bergen Street

Atlantic Avenue/Troy Avenue

Fulton Street/Troy Avenue

Halsey Street/Lewis Avenue

Gates Avenue/Lewis Avenue

Dekalb Avenue/Lewis Avenue

Myrtle Avenue/Lewis Avenue

Broadway/Marcus Garvey Boulevard (end)

Linden is One Block from the B15/ B35 at most, haven't you realized that.

 

So? Are the B43, B44 and B48 redundant to each other since they are only a block away from each other? Also the B43 and B48 both start at Prospect Park. Also all 3 routes are doing well too.

And a Linden Blvd Route would be redundant to the B35 AND B15 (depending where and how you run it).

No it wouldn't. B15 and B35 aren't mostly even close to Linden Boulevard. B35 only crosses Linden Boulevard on Church Avenue and B15 only operates on it est of Fountain Avenue so that didn't make sense. Also a Linden Boulevard route should be SBS and go to Downtown Brooklyn although I haven't decided on an eastern end.

I dont know, but by his defenition, a route needs to go from Ozone Park to Green Acres, and several others more (that's the one that came to the top of my head quickly, and a bus route needs to go on Liberty Avenue in Brooklyn.

There's no demand for Ozone Park-Green Acres and extending the Q112 to Broadway Junction via Liberty Avenue makes it redundant to the and trains. That was why the B12 was truncated to Alabama Avenue.

Because the Q60 and Queensboro are always reliable and traffic-free, right?

At least the Q60 is much more frequent.

Then give us three good reasons why there should be more bus service on Linden Blvd then what it is now at all.

While I do agree that sending the B84 down Linden is a terrible idea, it does need a bus route that runs down the length if it because the area lacks necessary coverage imo.

The x17 branches are rush hr only. X17j is Richmond midtown express A is downtown express. X19 andx17 J run in x17A's place past ETC at rush. As super express so there is little to no duplication on the X17 shockingly. Q20 is well ignored most of the time hence why no mention.

 

 

queens Blvd has fast service to Manhattan it's called the & and trains and the .

 

The Queens Boulevard Line is unreliable as it is overcrowded and the train = uns like shit. Also they only serve Queens Boulevard between Grand Avenue/Broadway and the Van Wyck. Also none of the QBL lines go to Midtown 2 Avenue.

There most certainly is! All four of the local stops between 34th and Canal are busier than any of the stations served only by the R.

 

The Broadway express run only saves a minute or two - it's not worth making tens of thousands of riders wait twice as long for a train so that you can save a minute or two.

 

 

I've been to all 4 local stops. There aren't that many people that use those stations. Broadway only needs the to serve as a local.

Adding SBS and bus lanes on Queens Blvd? Ha !

 

good luck with that.... NIMBYs aren't gonna like losing their parking. There is loads of parking spots on Queens Blvd, even if it is a big stretch of road.

 

Also, the route doesn't even have a LIMITED.... ain't no way its gonna get an SBS

 

LOL f**k NIMBYS! Why do they live here if they can't stand urban planning!

Speaking of the Q20a/b....

 

I'm probably gonna open pandora's box with this one, but I have yet to see anyone mention renaming the 20b to something else.....

The consensus for the 20a/b (for the most part) over the years, is to get rid of the 20b & drop the 'a' from the 20a (to have it be just the "Q20").....

 

Also surprised that no one I've seen around the boards mention renumerating the x17 branches either......

 

Actually I have been thinking about eliminating the Q20a and dropping the b so it is just Q20. 14 Avenue needs coverage. I would then extend the Q76 to the Q20 terminal along 20 Avenue and College Point Boulevard to replace the Q20a. Getting rid of the Q20b only eliminates coverage on 14 Avenue which is a bad thing.