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6 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Do you have a link to this?

http://web.mta.info/mta/news/notices/pdf/Canarsie_Env_Assessment_ FINAL.pdf, the relevant info is on page 13.

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Increase AM peak-hour M train service serving the Queens Boulevard line (from 9 tph to 12 tph) with a corresponding reduction in R train service (from 10 tph to 8 tph). The maximum capacity of the Queens Boulevard local tracks is 20 tph due to limited terminal capacity at 71st Avenue. Increasing the M line by 3 tph, requires that the R line be reduced to 8 tph. Increased M line service from Queens into Manhattan will be needed to help relieve crowding at Court Square. With this change, peak direction R service would not be reduced in Brooklyn, and the R line would continue to operate within MTA NYCT passenger loading guidelines.Increase AM peak-hour M train service serving the Queens Boulevard line (from 9 tph to 12 tph) with a corresponding reduction in R train service (from 10 tph to 8 tph). The maximum capacity of the Queens Boulevard local tracks is 20 tph due to limited terminal capacity at 71st Avenue. Increasing the M line by 3 tph, requires that the R line be reduced to 8 tph. Increased M line service from Queens into Manhattan will be needed to help relieve crowding at Court Square. With this change, peak direction R service would not be reduced in Brooklyn, and the R line would continue to operate within MTA NYCT passenger loading guidelines.

Someone from OP told me. There are some things I can't say. This is because of increased demand on SAS. There are some changes concerning the Canarsie shutdown I really can't say. You will see when they happen.

If demand keeps expanding, the MTA might need to add more and trips there. All the more reason to hurry up with Phases 2 and 3, preferably at the same time so the could open.

Lawrence St: Honestly I don't know why. Could you possibly tell me when it was shut down? I might've been away when it happened.

I heard on Facebook that it went down on September 3. I don't know why though. The Forum is registered in Dallas, Texas, so maybe it had to do with the hurricane there and the resulting infrastructure collapse.

Wow, brain fart. My bad.

 

The width of Chambers St in that area might also be a factor. It may not be wide enough to support two island platforms side by side.

You mean Church St? The 8 Ave line doesn't run under Chambers. In fact, Chambers doesn't have any lines under it. Theoretically it's just wide enough for a two-track line.

Church is five and a half lanes. The QBL runs under Broadway in Queens, which is even narrower. The Broadway line runs under Broadway in Manhattan, which manages to be even narrower than Broadway in Queens.

That's a "lovely" entrance... Dark as hell. Looks very convenient...

That's the better-looking one. The closed entrance is even "lovelier". It's even decorated with graffiti over an ugly corrugated gate!

I heard the reason why they try to keep CBTC R160s off the  is that they dont want them laid up on Queens Blvd. I think this can be a problem if the   needs trains and it can only use CBTC equipment. 

I can see why but maybe they do deadheads too. I saw another CBTC today, so I'm thinking that ENY has too few non-CBTC R160 cars to not use the CBTC cars on other services.

I've always wondered about that area and how the Grand Concourse looks so high up passing through on the BxM4 bus.  So how exactly do people access that station if they're below the Concourse on say 174th street since there looks like the Cross Bronx Expressway literally cuts under the Concourse? Staircase somewhere leading to the Concourse?

I believe you walk up stairs there like an elevated station.

Yeah, the subway is above 174th Street. The entrance is on the side of the tunnel under the Grand Concourse and the IND Concourse Line. Then you walk upstairs to the platforms after going through the fare control.

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They also rebuilt the side platforms and Van Cortlandt Park, for at least 3 months the walls on the side platforms were missing.

I guess the MTA thought that, "These are never going to be used again, but if it makes the platforms on each side of the track look symmetrical, then so be it." Then wasted a lot of money renovating unused platforms.

The Concourse line is going to be hectic when two or its stations close. 174-175th Streets and 167th Street are stations that have a ton of commuter traffic, whether that be on the weekends, rush hour, or midday. That's more time removed from people's schedules because there's a long distance from every station on the line.

Not to mention that 174-175 St is built across a gorge with access from both below and above the station. From the looks of it, the climb from 174th Street to the Concourse is a very long detour without having to go through the station mezzanine. Closing the station will cut off that shortcut.

I hope that after the renovation, they reopen the 175th Street exit. Another potential shortcut for riders in the area.

Looks the  borrowed CBTC R160s from East New York Yard today.

That happens literally all the time. This would come in handy when Queens Blvd is automated in 20 years, but for now, the R160 CBTC trains aren't a problem. There's only a problem when non-CBTC R160s go on the , because they can't.

what date in June does the Clark street tunnel 2/3 trains repairs begin?

I heard it was June 24 or 25.

Nope the switches is short of the station south and the curve up ahead.

 

 

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Or just move the switch north of the station... nah, too expensive.

Anyway, with 148 St so close, I don't think most riders in the last 5 cars would mind having to wait a few minutes to get off at 148th, or walk the extra few blocks. It's not like 145th is a major source of riders, unlike South Ferry, which is that plus a terminal and transfer hub.

he said that he doesn't have time to do it again beacuse of his job... rip.

Maybe he'll do it after Cortlandt St opens again

Aw man... but hey, at least he has his world record, which he already bested once.

Totally unrelated, but as of yesterday, the renovated culver stations already smell like pee.

Why can't we have nice things.... 

'cuz that's how *some* New Yorkers are...

My guess for LIC SBS would maybe be the Q32.

It duplicates the for most of its route. If not that, then the LIRR. I highly doubt that the MTA will convert an entire route to an SBS route if the bus mostly duplicates the subway.

I could be wrong. The B44 and M15 are the exceptions since part of each route duplicates the subway. But they both have local variants and have long stretches with little to no subway duplication.

I just watched the subway challenge video. Matthew Ahn, traverses thru the subway to get all of them. I read there are different types like A, B, and C, it was all very interesting. Who's gonna do the 472-station challenge? Not being able to take express trains in their express segments is quite hard.

 

 

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Probably Mr. Ahn trying to beat his own record... again.

He already did it once after setting the Guinness World Record. Rode all 469 stations and got a shorter time.

I'm not sure what the R stands for, but it's not revenue.  Examples: R127/R134 garbage trains, R156 diesel, TGC, etc.  So it would appear to pertain to anything ®olling stock.  That would be my best guess.

 

Fun fact: the true R-type contract names are actually R34XXX.  So the R160 contract is technically called the R34160, and the contract for the R211 is R34211.

At this rate it will be at R35XXX by the end of the century. If the subway survives that long.

The Bx6 SBS is unusual. First, the route doesn't have an existing limited route to convert to SBS, unlike the Bx12, M15, B44, or B46. Second, the local route will stay, unlike the M86 or M23.

IMO the B82 SBS should continue on Kings Highway past Flatbush unlike the current B82, which turns right. Then the B82 SBS should turn right on Glenwood and continue the whole way until Pennsylvania Av. This should be done for both directions of B82 SBS, and anyway, even if the B82 retained the same route, would be much faster for SBS riders since Glenwood has fewer routes and bus frequency than Flatlands.

If a LIC route is being converted to SBS, how about the Q69? The only thing is that in the north, it parallels the M60. Looks like the most logical choice though; the Q102 is right under the Astoria line, and the Q103 and Q104 basically hug the shore, serving a smaller area.

They were added as part of the Farley Building work for the LIRR.

Thanks. Do you or anyone else know if the MTA is doing platform closures or just expansion and component repair? According to the images, the full closures will only be done in the renovations of 23rd, 28th, and 57th. Besides, these stations are just too busy to close fully, and both look like they've been renovated within the last decade anyway.

But they've talking about returning the since early 2016, you'd think that they at least look ahead in the future a bit.

At the time it was the , and I think the MTA was only concerned about sorting the stations based on the services that were currently stopping there. If the MTA had just put the , they would be dealing with nonsense about "Why is the MTA referring to a service that doesn't exist anymore?" as soon as that plan was published.

It's not like the official map which, unlike this plan, has to be updated with the correct services. Most of the public won't see this plan, or if they do, won't care. There would only be a problem if both of the services were changed, e.g. if it said "30 Av ".

So what's a "Line closure shuttle bus"?

Apparently, just "shuttle buses" didn't cut it.

The line closure is free, as far as this sign says.

It would be good if they could close 1 half of the stations of the astoria line. Like one station would be closed in astoria direction and the following stop closed in manhattan direction. So passengers wouldn't have to walk that far for the next stop.

 

 

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The MTA is already planning on doing that.

It looks like 30th and 36th will be closed together, and so will Broadway and 39th. When two stations are closed, the other two will be open. Plus, they will be doing half of these four stations at a time. Not sure if the MTA will do the renovations in two sections (closing 30th and 36th SB with Broadway and 39th NB and vice versa), or in four sections.

The problem is that most of these are very well-used stations (excepting the Prospect Park one). They've shied away from doing transfer stations, so Chambers is unfeasible (and that'd take a hell of a lot more than 6 months...) I assume most of these will be in "Phase Two" or whatever - they can only get so much done at once

23rd Street (ranked 38 in ridership last year) and Nostrand Av (ranked 77) are also pretty well-used. And as for Chambers, I agree it would take much, much longer, but there are transfers at Fulton and Canal.

Here are some screenshots of that presentation (great find!) and some new renderings:

 

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I'm surprised to see both of the Penn Stations on the list.

As for 23 St , I'm not sure how the entrances could be closed, since they are 1) shared by the PATH and 2) were just renovated two years ago. Does anyone know if the PATH station will be closed too? Because the PATH entrances are within the NYC Subway mezzanines on each side.

To me, they are. I was never a fan of Brutalist designs.

Same here. Its done tastefully on Second Avenue where the only exposed concrete is the roof.

The track-wall tiles are a little bland though. I personally like the original IND color coding better.

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Will this also be the case for the Astoria Line stations (since they are all local stations)?

Never mind, looks like the Q102 will provide alt service anyway.

On the other hand, now it's going to be a much less crowded transfer from the at Queensboro... unless everyone walks to Astoria Blvd...

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A few more ideas for renovation (based solely on personal observation, also kind of a wishlist):

15 St-Prospect Park

23 St

52 St

69 St

Chambers St

East Broadway

Grand Ave

Hoyt-Schermerhorn surprises me more, though I suppose any switches there wouldn't be very necessary, seeing as the sensible routes (Culver->8th Av and Crosstown -> Fulton) are not the tracks that are next to each other.

Good point. The only possible routes that would use said switches would be one of these options:

• The MTA wants to send a route down the Crosstown Line, then up to the Bronx or Inwood - or else the route would be a lasso-shaped loop.
• The MTA wants to create a route that is wholly within Brooklyn (and maybe Queens) - but that would probably have low ridership since it would probably run local on the Culver line and express on the Fulton line, even though the express doesn't even serve Manhattan.

A general reminder to those who are interested in recording or photographing Bay Ridge Avenue in its pre-renovation state:

 

You must do so before Friday at 11PM as the below 59 Street will be closed all weekend, due to prep work. The MTA website says it will close 5AM May 1st, but that is not accurate.

Incidentally, that means that the closest open stations to 59 St during construction will be 45 St and 77 St.

It's going to be a long walk for the riders in between, but I guess having two stations closed for construction (three after June) would make the slightly faster.

Looks like the 4th Ave stations are all being closed simultaneously. Will this also be the case for the Astoria Line stations (since they are all local stations)?

Additionally, how will the MTA deal with awarding packages to stations that are the only ones on their respective lines to be renovated under ESI? For instance, 28 St  (only station on Lex Av Line), 145 St  (only one on Lenox Line), Pelham Pkwy  (only one on Dyre Av Line).

Finally, I'm curious how the MTA will handle the 23 St renovation, since they have to keep the entrances open for the PATH, unless the PATH stations are somehow shut down too...

But why though...are you really gonna delay people's commutes just for two fare beaters...

Why not? The NYPD needs to be paid to do something.

Sometimes, the NYPD doesn't know which battles to fight. If the whole train were fare beaters or homeless people, I'd see why the NYPD would delay the train. But catching two fare beaters does very little except for their quotas.

This morning my uptown train skipped 135 St. At 145 St I saw the reason why - a train was out of service on the upper level northbound local track. Does anyone know what was up with that OOS ?

https://twitter.com/NYCTSubway/status/853612710285774848

 

Another reason to install CBTC

Don't know if this has been mentioned already, but #5920 on the M23 has new LED screens. Also a different "Stop requested" announcement, and a map of the bus's current location, and some "bus quizzes" and safety announcements.

The only thing missing was the list of stops like the B44SBS has, as well as the date and time.