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You see on this subway map there is no Sea Beach express between 38th and Pacific.  There is no west end express either.

56 minutes ago, P3F said:

Service previously being worse than it currently is, is not a reason to revert to the worse state.

that was better, actually. The two lines overlap and the D goes to the Museum of Natual History and at Dekalb you can get anything but who would take the broadway line if the 6th avenue line is available :)

The main reason to transfer to at Dekalb was to go to Downtown or downtown Brooklyn..

2 hours ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

Yes it can. The does it overnights, and the  even has a few trips that do it.

The D is running local over night in Brooklyn and that makes it possible.

52 minutes ago, Deucey said:

Would it clear up the issue at Dekalb if  ran via Montague full-time and only  went over the bridge?

I think the N (and the R) can't run through dekalb unless is it running through the tunnel and from the local pacific street track.  In order to imrpove the N service after the Manhattan Bridge was finished, they made the N super express, 38th Street, Pacific, and over the bridge to Canal Street.  That bumped the Q to the Broadway line express via Atlantic Avenue, Dekalb and Canal Street, otherwise there was no Bway access from the Brighton Line.   The B was then added to 6th Avenue daytime and evenings.  But when there is no B train, there is no 6th Avenue Access at all from Dekalb Avenue. 

I like W4th Street.  This is the biggest reason why late night I end up taking a cab home from  the Village.

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What is CI?  Stillwell Avenue?  that is a non-starter.

No, because you removed the Q from Delalb - remember?  Remember, BTW that the express at Pacific can't go to Dekalb, FWIW.  That was the problem with the N (Sea Beach) train and the N without an express is a very long and slow ride.

5 minutes ago, R68OnBroadway said:

It says "including Brighton" when I mention that  runs express the entire route.

so you eliminate broadway access fromt he brighton line?

The problem at Dekalb is that when they switched the D and the B the station no longer functioned as a transport point for all routes, which is how it was designed to work before they decided to give the N train prioirty.  You can't get a 6th Avenue train from there when there is no B train.

On 5/3/2018 at 10:28 PM, itmaybeokay said:

With system-wide CBTC, a well-designed system can intelligently modulate the speed of the trains so that there are no merging delays. They go together seamlessly, like a zipper. 

HAHAHAHAHAH

never in out lifetime.

On 5/3/2018 at 9:06 PM, R68OnBroadway said:

The only places that should be de-interlined are Rogers and DeKalb. Here is my plan for that:
 

Rogers:

 unchanged, but a straight track is build to connect the SB local track and SB Nostrand track

  148th to Flatbush

  to New Lots via local east of Franklin

 to Utica, express east of Franklin

DeKalb:

  Norwood to CI (via Brighton), local everywhere except 6th. Operates 24/7.

 Norwood or BPB to Brighton Beach or Ocean Parkway via peak express on Concourse the whole way (including Brighton). Operates weekdays 6 AM- 12 AM.

 96th/125th to CI via Broadway and 4th express and Sea Beach. Operates weekdays 6 AM- 12 AM.

 96th/125th to CI via Broadway and 4th express and West End. Operates 24/7.

  is rerouted to Astoria to provide a second service on Astoria. The  gets a service increase (18/7 to Forest Hills) and a free transfer between the Queenses (Plaza and Boro) is provided. Late nights cut back to either Whitehall or 34th since the express tracks are not used between 34th interlocking and Prince interlocking overnight.

  replaces the  as the primary Astoria-Brooklyn line via Broadway and 4th local and also Sea beach. Operates 24/7.

 

Now to address some points Lawrence made:

The southern Brooklyn swap is to eliminate the issues at DeKalb (cough cough the   crawling through and stopping frickin everywhere).

If the  can be removed from QBL and the  can make up for it, then let that be in place.

The  here would become the primary CPW/6th line so it would be reasonable to have it run local on Brighton.

 

 

You eliminated the Bright Beach Express and misidentified the problems at Dekalb.

On 4/26/2018 at 3:02 PM, BrooklynBus said:

http://www.qchron.com/editions/queenswide/sbs-is-not-helping-riders-commutes/article_9070d9c0-e022-56c3-a854-4f590211002a.html

According to this article, MTA spokesman Shams Tarek said, “The Comptroller’s report affirms that SBS runs much faster than local routes and is a vast improvement over regular bus service, and that riders like it.” 

The Comptroller's report says nothing of the sort. The report states: "Over the last decade, bus ridership in New York City has nosedived and many local routes have become less reliable, slower, and increasingly outdated. While Select Bus routes have performed slightly better, there is ample room for improvement." It further states: "Select Bus routes travel only slightly faster than the average local route (8.9 mph versus 7.4 mph) and are identical in their on-time performance – a meager 62 percent (see Chart 5).2""

"Slightly better" and "slightly faster" is not "vast improvement" and "much faster". This is typical of the lies made by the MTA and DOT to gain acceptance of SBS from the public. 

As for passenger satisfaction levels with SBS, the Comptroller's survey showed a 64 percent satisfaction rate whereas the MTA's faulty methodology showed a 95 percent satisfaction rate. The Comptroller does not state if local riders were also surveyed. If not, then the 64 percent approval rating would most likely be even lower since those riders did not opt for the SBS service.

You can't trust the MTA to be honest in its accessement of anything.  They have their own agenda and that is not the publics agendo, nor is it for the public good.  The Controllers report is actually very generous.  In truth, the SBS has shown to be a waste of money.  The best part of it from the city's prespective is that it generates revenues from ticketing cars.  I generally don't approve of that.

On 5/1/2018 at 9:40 PM, Brillant93 said:

I'm guessing we'll hear about it within the coming months. They're supposed to be a system wide revamp proposal in a few weeks so my money is guessing we'll hear about it then. I think its close to a fifty percent chance they'll reroute it but the other fifty is not doing the small bus lanes and have kings hwy with no treatment. So it is what it is.  

If they are really intent on wasting money on putting a through route, it has to go down Avenue P.  What would be more useful would be a SBS B82 limited service that extended to JFK.

On 5/1/2018 at 8:56 PM, MidwoodMartin said:

I asked about the B82 SBS at the '#AskNYCT' session last Thursday. Here was the response I got from Darryl Irick: 

Figured I should post this here to keep people updated, especially after reading the past couple of threads of people asking for updates. This does seem like good news to me and shows that the MTA hasn't abandoned the plan, like that KingsCountyPolitics article seemed to suggest. However, it does suggest that the scheduled July launch is not the goal anymore. 
Not sure what "consultation with the community" means here. What are they talking about? Negotiating the hours? The bus lane currently proposed is already only 6 hours. What are they going to do? Make it 2 hours? 

I have also noticed that on those big yellow/orange DOT construction cones (ones that look like this) on the B82 bus stops (the ones that logically are there for vending machines, as they were put on bus stops right after sidewalks were opened up) there is now a little black screw inserted where there wasn't previously, at least not on the stops I observed. Seems to make the cones more difficult to remove or connect them with something. It might just be DOT rolling out what they were scheduled. Then I don't know why there wouldn't be a date or any postponement. 

 

From the ground up it has been a bad idea and undoable.  There shouldn't even be a B82.  The limited is virtually unused compared to the local.  Making a super limited is doubling down on a bad idea.  They need to break that bus into two different routes, like it was originally before the budget cuts.