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The R44 had a similar sign to that R10 one but with the K and B after the H

Damnit, can you tell me how you upload PDF files without losing quality?

So here I am, finally back with the original R-40 side roll sign. It could have been done in less than a week, but had many things to do.

The exterior side and the "SPECIAL" readings are pictures from the Rollsign Encyclopedia book that a friend took for me, strip maps are done by me.

And here's the PDF version on PDF Pro. Can't download the file without losing quality, so you'll have to check it like that:

https://www.pdfpro.co/files/209ddd4d02b3eb3526de

Next roll signs I will post: 1985 and 1986 R-40/R-40M/R-42 side roll signs.

Nice, there were used on R40/Ms as well I think, but wasn't there another version with a Neue Haas Grotesk ,  a Condensed  (and possibly a with a Standard non condensed ) dating from 10/03/1986?

Also, I made the black and white side signs for the R40M and R42, there was 2 versions: one modified version of the 1977 ones (both Northern and Eastern Divisions) with strip maps, and the other one had white bullets (like the front sign some R10 used in the late 80s),  but I think I used the wrong fonts on this one, I'm waiting for someone to make the Standard Condensed and Neue Haas Grotesk Medium fonts to remake them and make R40 side signs. If you're planning to make them, then let me know.

The 80s roll signs are a complete pain in the ass though, I have not much information except an old NYC subway video from 1988, including mixed consists of R40Ms and R42s on the B, K, J & M lines

A sneak peek of what's coming next! Happy New Year!

Here's the .PDF version if you want to see closer:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/t1ki984kbnx3r3p/F_179-CHURCH_%281968_R-40%29.pdf/file

I'm not really sure there was a condensed Eastern Parkway-Broadway Junction / Broad Street writing. I noticed in the picture below of an R42 with the side signs set to Parsons (or Queens) Blvd / Broad Street, that the gap between the writing and the right border of the sign is a bit smaller than on the one you reproduced, so I think the condensed Eastern Parkway-Broadway Junction writing would not fully fit due to the sign not being wide enough.

Either it was indeed condensed with "Junction" cut to "Jct", or it said Eastern Parkway / Broad Street.

Or maybe it's just me lol

On 10/20/2018 at 11:26 PM, Lance said:

Also, do you know if that sign had exposures for the RR and SS routes?

Yes they did since the sign was from the northern division fleet. They even had the Culver Shuttle on them and I was quite impressed! I reproduced it a few weeks ago by the way with all the fake standard details, but still needs more details so I'll post it in the future.

On 9/24/2018 at 12:12 AM, Lance said:

Oddly enough, the 207th Street A-cars version is correct. At least according to the Guadagni book. However, the book has the Concourse route options as follows:

• D - 205 Street - Coney Island
• D - 205 Street - Brighton Beach
• D - 205 Street - Kings Highway
• D - Bedford Park Blvd - Brighton Beach
• CC - Bedford Park Blvd - Hudson Terminal

That's unusual as the order of the end signs usually matched the order of the side ones. Of course, we'll never know unless a curtain pops up on eBay or something.

 

 

 

Well the funny thing is it was in order on the R44 side signs that I saw on eBay a while ago. I still have some pictures by the way since I saved them for reproduction:

Probably because these signs had more routes on them unlike the R40-42 ones which had like 2-3 on them so I guess they didn't really care about the order. That can explain why the Jamaica  (Queens Blvd Local version) roll sign's order is: EE/N/GG/S, on both end and side this time.

Anyways, I want to start working on the original R40 side strip map signs but I have no idea what font was used, looks like Akzidenz Grotesk Semi Condensed but it's not.

Decided to post some more 1969 R42 roll signs.

This time the 207th St and Concourse rolls: (I'm not 100% sure about the 207th Street roll though)

Some strip maps need to be reworked on especially the E line which I'll post later with Jamaica roll signs.

EDIT: The strip maps are not high quality because I used a low resolution image for my models, so I could have a good balance with performance.

I wasn't planning to make it today but actually decided to. Here's the R42's 1973 Eastern Division side destination roll sign, based of the houseofmemories' eBay listing:

Well I'll guess I'll have to improvise in the making of the 1973 ED side rollsigns, so stay tuned as well.

I'm still really confused about the 1973 modifications on the ED R42 sets, from what I dug on eBay and what you said Lance (that I didn't really understand by the way), I believe the secondary sets' front rollsigns (cars 4890s - 4920s) that were assigned to the , and , were modified into J, K, Special; and later, primary sets' front rollsigns (cars 4850s - 4890s) that were assigned on the and , were modified into J, K, M, Special, LL, QB (like you mentioned). But what was the point of having the and lines using different sets or... 2 different sets having the same route? What about the side signs? It means they would be like that? :

Secondary sets (cars 4890s - 4920s):

57 St-6 Av 168 Street

57 St-6 Av Crescent Street

57 St-6 Av Metropolitan Avenue

----- ^ The ones above might got removed ^------

57 St-6 Av Eastern Parkway

57 St-6 Av Rockaway Parkway

168 Street  Broad Street

Primary sets (cars 4850s - 4890s):

57 St-6 Av Eastern Parkway

57 St-6 Av Rockaway Parkway

168 Street  Broad Street

Metropolitan Avenue Myrtle Avenue

Metropolitan Avenue Coney Island

57 St-7 Av  Brighton Beach

57 St-7 Av  Coney Island

Eighth Av  Rockaway Parkway

Eighth Av  Atlantic Avenue

Eighth Av  Myrtle Av

There is something not logic behind the J and K added on the other sets and the LL and M being moved. Either I messed up somewhere or it's simply because TA didn't even think...

On ‎7‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 3:22 PM, Lance said:

 Also, this sign curtain is very similar to one printed for the R42s in 1977 by American Identification Products. The only difference between that sign curtain and the one illustrated here is the inclusion of the "Special" exposures, which are not on the R42 version. These sign curtains also combine route options for the IND north and the RR. Previous signs created for the R40s and R42s would be separated between the A AA B / CC D / RR routes. However, as the RR used R42s from Coney Island, same as the AA and B, it was apparently decided to combine the route options on one roll, rather than the split that persisted from the delivery of the train cars back in the late '60s.

I'm finally back. Check my signature for my next project.

Really? Cause I don't think the R42s could fit the A, AA, B, CC, D, RR all in one side destination rollsign.

Anyways, on my end, I finally finished all of the 1969 side destination rollsigns for the R42s, here are 2 examples:

I'm currently working on on the 1973 versions (black with new transfers to ED), and also the original 1968 R40 Slant side rollsigns on the Fan versions.

On 7/25/2018 at 10:06 PM, MHV9218 said:

Nice to see reference to the odd single "J" rollsigns. Some R16s also ended up with that weirdly shaped J, which is a weird bastard child of Akzidenz-Grotesk with the J end extended but not hooked as in Helvetica. My guess is those were 1973ish modifications to the 1969/1970 sign curtains, not new printings.

I see what you're talking about, I saw that weird J R16 sign on eBay a few months ago,

It indeed really looks odd. They also did it with the K (from the former KK) where they used the same font but a bigger single letter:

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Anyways I found that picture a while ago, an R42 with the R44 end rollsign. But now I wonder if they kept the full A,E,EE,F,GG,N,S sign (like on the actual R44s), or just left the E and F since the R42s only had the one piece E,F,S rollsigns when they ran on these lines.

Woops my bad, I forgot to fix the post 1973 chart, and I don't know how to edit replies ( I'm new on the website)

On ‎7‎/‎17‎/‎2018 at 4:33 PM, Lance said:

These are pretty damn good if I say so myself. The attention to detail in these is absolutely astounding.

On a side note, I see you use HouseofMemories' listings as well. He's insane to believe individual exposures will sell for hundreds of dollars, but his persistence is a boon for folks like us who are digitally recreating the signs.

I know right? This man is crazy, but like you said, that's a great opportunity to recreate those on a computer. I don't know how could I have done them without his listing.

And thanks a lot! A lot of hours went into the recreation of the 1969 strip map signs. I noticed a lot of mistakes during the recreation of the signs by the way, like this one:

On the EE from 57 St-7 Av to Whitehall Street from an R44 (and R42 as well I believe but without the black sides), we can see the N and QB going Southbound from Canal Street instead of northbound to 57th Street, where there is another mistake as well: the N and QB are departing the station Queens bound instead of southbound... The TA went full retard on this sign lol

Adding to that, I'm studying the yard assignments on the R42s, and I made a chart explaining what I understood so far. But still a lot of confusion, and I don't guarantee this is 100% true:

Nice work on the rollsigns!

I'm also working on pre 1973 R40 to R44 strip map rollsigns for my 3d models for OpenBVE Train Simulator game and of course for my own collection. Even though some things are really confusing haha.

I prefer to make each destination individually first before sticking everything in a single piece rollsign for each yard. Here are a very few of all I finished so far (A, AA, CC, D, EE, F, GG, KK, M, N, QB, QJ). Only  a few destinations remain: LL from Atlantic Avenue to 8 Av, RR from Astoria to 95 St and 36 St, and a few more but I'm not sure about their existence (B from 57 St to 2nd Ave and 36 St to Coney Island, QB from Astoria to Coney Island). I believe they were on the R46 style rollsigns installed on the R40 to R42 in 1977, but I don't know about the original 1969 rollsign, and I didn't see them on eBay.

They are not so perfect because of the arrows but did my best: