MottAvFarRockaway

17 hours ago, Amiri the subway guy said:

2. The  and  swap is going to be a problem too as the  will lose access to a yard AKA The reason why they HAVE to swap routes in the first place. The  could be sent back to Astoria in different ways but not like the way your planning. The  makes no sense once so ever. The Jamaica line can’t handle the  at the same time this would cause huge delays. 

I decided that they should build a new "yard" at Ditmars to have this happen.

17 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

And why switch the  and  lines in Brooklyn? And wouldn’t it be confusing to have the  go on its regular route while having another  that goes onto the upper 2nd Ave line be confusing? Does it replace the  or does it run in addition to the  and ?

I will have the  replace the , so that there will be room for the  to run to Coney Island via Culver. I will then have the number of stations of the Sea Beach Line converted to express stations. I will leave the  and  as it is. I will shorten the  to run Bedford Park Boulevard to Euclid Avenue only. When this happens, the  (circle C) is changed to a  (diamond C).

3 hours ago, Amiri the subway guy said:

New proposal for IRT Jerome Avenue line. 
 

I saw on IND Second System Track Map proposal that Vanshnookenraggen made and that the was gonna be extended to Bronx using 9th Avenue el and connect to Jerome Avenue. But we can’t do that now since 9th Avenue el is gone. Harlem 148th Street is build and the Yankee stadium is build over the former location of the subway el. My Proposal is called the 7th Avenue-Jerome Avenue link. The would be extended to the Bronx Running underneath the Macombs Bridge. Then stopping at Anderson Avenue after that it’s runs Elevated to 170th Street where’s it then connects to the Jerome Avenue line meeting up with the . Finally the terminates at Bedford Park Blvd heading straight to Jerome Avenue yard with the continuing to Woodlawn.      

Currently the operates at 13 TPH in the Bronx this leaves plenty of space for the to be extended to Jerome Avenue. The would run at 11 TPH Bringing Jerome Avenue up to 24 TPH. Anderson Avenue would be three tracks to store extra trains during peak hours. This would make Jerome Avenue more attractive as now people have one seat rides to the West Side of Manhattan via 7th Avenue. And less people would be transferring at 149 street to the . This would start off as a rush hour only extension to Bedford Park Blvd. And if proven to be popular it will be all Weekday route. Evenings Weekends and Late Nights the will only run up to Anderson Avenue. CBTC would be installed to further encourage ridership and boast up capacity.      

Bonus the could be rerouted to 7th Avenue in case of emergencies on Lexington Avenue. And vice versa with the via Lexington Avenue   Similar to the current  pattern in the Bronx. Feedback anyone?

Amiri, that could work (possibly?)

I also have plans that both the  and  be rerouted to Coney Island via the Culver Line, and  to run via West End Line, with the  going to the Second Avenue Line, where it will meet up with the  service. During rush hours, the  makes express stops on the Culver Line while the  (which in this proposal, it became a diamond) makes all stops. The  makes all stops on the Culver Line in times the  is not running.

If there is room, I could put in a  peak express service which combines the old NX and the new Q services.

I will then have the  running as the old "C" service that used to run from Bedford Park Boulevard to Rockaway Park or Euclid Avenue. I would then eliminate the  and  skip stop, replacing it with the  peak express.

I would reinstate the  (Nereid Avenue service).

I will have the  and 's northbound terminals swapped, with an extra service that is basically the brown M running to 95th Street instead of Bay Parkway (I will call it the ) and it will only run during rush hours as an addition to the normal service, helping the number of trains per hour to 36 TPH.

Two new services, the  (168th Street to Jamaica-179th Street) and  (Metropolitan-Culver peak express) could help with the crowd numbers. During evening rush there could be an option to reroute  trains via the  line, and it will be called the . It will jump the number of trains per hour to 20 TPH.

NOTE: The circle C is changed to a diamond C when this new proposal happens.

Feedback, anyone?

On 11/26/2021 at 2:35 PM, ActiveCity said:

This may sound controversial, but here's my thoughts on a new subway line. There should be an 86th St crosstown line with a connection to the IND Queens Blvd line at 46 St. This new train service would run from it's northern terminus at Central Park West to it's southern terminus at Beach-149 St in the Rockaways. It would also merge with the and trains along it's route. In addition, the train would replace the train on Queens Blvd due to excess capacity. Once the train is taken off Queens Blvd, this is where the real fun begins. A new northeast Queens line would be built at the site of the 11th St cut which would need to be modified to curve north. Such a line would run under the streets of 21st St, Astoria Blvd, 112 St, and the Horace Harding Expressway. If all of this is actually built, we would see major development.

Why would you name that service ? Its sounds like the word you so try another letter please.

6 hours ago, Vulturious said:

Also, what crowds are you talking about?

The morning rush-hour commuter.

NEW-R

Options/proposals for J/L/M/R trains

1. Remove the Z service (skip-stop), and have the J train run every six minutes.
2. Rebuild the L line with express tracks, and create a new <L> peak express service.
3. When possible, run a new service similar to brown M service but between Metropolitan Avenue and 95th Street only, call it the <R> and run that service only during rush hours as an addition to the regular R service to ease crowds.
4. Have the R terminate at Whitehall by splitting the R into half. Then, run a new Chambers Street to 95th Street service full-time.
5. Run a new <M> peak express service, but it should not overlap with other express services, to boost travel times.

Any feedback on this, please?

9 hours ago, shiznit1987 said:

My proposal is a / skip stop on the Pelham Line. The skip stop would work as follows: 

/ trains make all stops between BB/City Hall and Lex/59th Sts. Then:

68st 

77st  

86st

96st 

103st

110st 

116st  

125st

3rd Av/138th

Brook Av 

Cypress Av  

143st 

149st  

Longwood Av 

Hunts Point Av

Whitlock Av  

Elder Av 

Morrison Av  

St Lawrence Av 

Parkchester

Castle Hill Av

Zegera Av 

Westchester Sq  

Middletown Rd 

Burke Av  

Pelham Bay Park

Currently, it's a 26 stop ride on the  from Lex/59th to Pelham Bay Park. It's 12 stops on the  but that's only capable of peak direction express. Plus, you have to factor in the fact that most people are using local stops which means you're losing time waiting on the transfer and not saving as many stops. Since this is both skip stop in Manhattan and The Bronx, you're saving time across the entirety of the route. Everyone gets a one seat semi-express ride across the entirety of the  line at all times**. It's a 15-16 stop ride on the  from Woodlawn so this plan will make the  competitive with the  in terms of time. Also, since the  can run up to 2min headways, even with skip stop you're still looking at 4-5 min waits at skipped stations. 

 

 

**(except late nights, which I'd have the  make all stops)

Why do you need to add a skip-stop on the ? The  already has an express service. There is no need for a skip-stop service.

On 9/26/2020 at 11:09 AM, Theli11 said:

Proposal I: Question: is the also running or will it be just the <R> on Metropolitan. You'll still have 12 TPH (can't fix the Williamsburg bridge), and splitting that between 3 routes and peak direction express service would be a mess.

Continuing with my New World New York proposal posted back last year, having just the < R > on Metropolitan would actually screw Williamsburg people who needed a direct access into Midtown. I decided to keep the M while the < R > is running.

20 minutes ago, BenTheMiner said:

This image is now used on one page of the Dragonello Subway Wiki about the  Princess Ariel Express: https://dragonello.fandom.com/wiki/A_Princess_Ariel_Express

I will now do the other R46 LCD exteriors by myself.

2 minutes ago, BenTheMiner said:

Thank you! These images are needed for the Dragonello Subway Wiki, but I will give credit to you when uploading it.

1 hour ago, BenTheMiner said:

I am not taking R68 interior requests at the moment because my current template is inaccurate. I'll do the R46 signs though. Is this fine?

Yes, it is fine to do the R46 exterior signs (sign 1 and sign 2); I will discard my R68 request (as sign 3).

I am requesting these below because one of these images are needed for one of the wikis! (But sign 3 is real)

Sign 1 and Sign 2 - R46 LCD exteriors:

Sign 3 - R68 interior

Sign 1

 PRINCESS ARIEL

 EXPRESS

 TO JOINVILLE

 207TH STREET

 MANHATTAN

Sign 2

 RAPUNZEL LOCAL

 TO FOREST LAKE

 71ST STREET

GLINDA

Sign 3 (R68 interior)

Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue

Jamaica 179th Street

Can you do these custom station signs:

Broadway-Lafayette St

Bedford Park Blvd

(yellow B)(yellow D)

Prince Street

(yellow B)<R>

Note: Diamond <R> on the Prince Street custom station sign is yellow, not brown

New World New York project

• Proposal A : Implement the K service and run from 207th Street / Inwood to Jamaica–179 Street, to boost the Queens Boulevard service. Also, revert the E service back to its old express route.
• Proposal B : Make the C a part-time route, run 168th Street to Lefferts Boulevard instead of 168 Street to Euclid Avenue and call it the < C >.
• Proposal C : Eliminate the J/Z skip-stop; reconstruct the Jamaica Line because of its curves and then implement a peak express < J > service.
• Proposal D : Return the N and R to its pre-1987 routes. The W service will be renamed < N >.
• Proposal E : Make the A run 207th Street to Lefferts Boulevard or Rockaway Park. The A to Rockaway Park service becomes full-time and it replaces the Rockaway Park Shuttle.
• Proposal F : Implement a new service, H, running from Euclid Avenue to Mott Avenue – Far Rockaway.
• Proposal G : Return the G back to its pre-2010 route.
• Proposal H : Implement a Woodlawn Express service, the < 4 >, to boost travel times on the 4 route.
• Proposal I : Run a new service departing Metropolitan Avenue along the brown M route and terminate at 95th Street instead of Bay Parkway, call it the < R > and run only part-time as an addition to the regular R service.
• Proposal J : Restore the Concourse peak express service, the < D >, to boost travel times on the D.

Services included in the proposal

<J><R>

I also agree with proposal G. The H train, which it should run from Flushing-Main Street to Franklin Avenue, could possibly replace the Franklin Avenue Shuttle. The H will run mostly express on the IND Crosstown Line, supplementing the G local service. This would require additional lines and connections that the proposed route needs to be constructed.

I agree with A, D, E and F. Why you are disagreeing proposals B and C? The elimination of the D, M and Z services makes the system simpler and easier to use. The K imitates the brown <R> service, while the T is for trains running to Metropolitan Avenue via the Nassau-Fourth Avenue connection.

I propose a new West End Line service, the V, that should run exclusively only from 62nd Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue on the West End Line. When that happens, it would use a periwinkle bullet and the remaining section from 62nd Street to Ninth Avenue and the connection to BMT Fourth Avenue Line must be demolished.

Proposals

• Proposal A : Extend the W to 95 Street, and make the R terminate at Whitehall.
• Proposal B : Eliminate the D by extending the B's northern terminus to include 205th Street and making the B a full-time route.
• Proposal C : Eliminate the M and parts of the M will be served by E and F trains.
• Proposal D : Eliminate the J/Z skip-stop, and replace it with the J peak express.
• Proposal E : Include the K/T but run Chambers Street (K) or Metropolitan Avenue (T) to 95 Street and make it a full-time route, instead of a part-time route.
• Proposal F : Extend the G towards Flushing-Main Street and include an express counterpart, the H.
• Proposal G : Eliminate the Franklin Avenue Shuttle totally.

Proposals for reform on the Eighth Avenue Line

•  207th Street to Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street (replaces the Rockaway ) [Express]
•  168th Street to Lefferts Boulevard [part-time Local] - allows more room for K and H services
•  Jamaica-179 Street to Church Avenue [Express] - will run as express instead of local to boost times
•  Euclid Avenue to Mott Avenue (Far Rockaway) [Local] - replaces parts of service
•  207 Street to Jamaica-179 Street [Local] - adds additional local service to the Queens  Boulevard Line

Rockaway  will be scrapped when this proposal happens

Proposal Changes (MapTrack FA)

• Extend the northern terminus of the B from Bedford Park Boulevard to 205 Street.
  • Results in allowing more B services to run to 205 Street.
• A new P service will run through the West End line from 207 Street
• Terminate the R at Whitehall Street
• Eliminate the M and replace it with parts of E, F, G
• Eliminate the J/Z skip-stop, the successor to it is the J peak express service
• Include a T service but it will run from Chambers Street to 95 Street
• Give the new Second Avenue Subway service the Y
• Run a new IRT Third Avenue route, service 8

Services will include in proposal:

The services [ A B C E F G H J K L N P Q R S T W Y 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ] will be in the new proposal.

Eliminated in the new proposal:

The [ D M Z ] trains are eliminated when the proposal happened.

The D is replaced by parts of B and P.

The J/Z skip stop is replaced by the J peak express

What do you think about that? Though R160s are the only rolling stock that run on the  express, I decided to post what the  express it would look like if it would be operated by the old rolling stock of SMEEs, in this case R32s.

The84 style NYC Subway reform (part 1)

Do you like all of the reform best? Or just parts of the reform?

Nassau Street Line

•  Jamaica/Parsons Archer to Broad Street (full-time local)
•  Jamaica/Parsons Archer to Broad Street (peak express)
•  Chambers Street to Bay Ridge–95th Street (full time all-local)

Requirements

• Eliminating the skip-stop service on the Nassau Street Line
• Rebuilding the whole line to accommodate express tracks

Canarsie Line

•  Eighth Avenue to Rockaway Parkway (local)
•  Eighth Avenue to Rockaway Parkway (peak express)

Requirements

• Rebuilding the whole line to accommodate express tracks

Flushing Line

•  Flushing–Main Street to 10th Avenue (local)
•  Flushing–Main Street to 10th Avenue (express)

Requirements

• Extension of the  service to 10th Avenue (originally proposed)

Eighth Avenue Line

•  Inwood 207th Street to Lefferts Boulevard or Far Rockaway
•  168th Street to WTC [World Trade] (runs only during quiet hours [late nights]; replacing parts of A and C service)
•  Bedford Park Boulevard to Euclid Avenue (runs only during weekday rush hours to displace the B to Bedford Park Boulevard; forcing the B to run via the Q line)
•  168th Street to Euclid Avenue
•  Jamaica/Parsons Archer or Jamaica - 179th Street to WTC [World Trade]
•  Euclid Avenue or Broad Channel to Rockaway Park

Requirements

• No requirements

Broadway Line

•  (B via the Q line service) Bedford Park Boulevard to 96th Street - 2nd Avenue (via DeKalb Avenue tunnel)
•  (D via the Q line service) 205th Street to 96th Street - 2nd Avenue (via DeKalb Avenue tunnel)
•  Astoria–Ditmars Boulevard to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (all times)
•  96th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (limited rush hour service)
•  Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue to 96th Street - 2nd Avenue
•  Continental Avenue to Bay Ridge–95th Street (local)
•  Continental Avenue to Bay Ridge–95th Street (peak express)
•  Astoria–Ditmars Boulevard to Whitehall Street–South Ferry or 86th Street (rush hours only)

Requirements

• Rebuilding the route(s) served by the  to accommodate express tracks.
• Building a connection between the IND Sixth Avenue Line and the BMT Broadway Line to allow B and D trains to ran via the Broadway line during 

Broadway-Seventh Avenue Line

•  Van Cortlandt Park–242nd Street to South Ferry
•  Wakefield–241st Street to Flatbush Avenue or New Lots Avenue
•  Harlem–148th Street to New Lots Avenue or Times Square–42nd Street

Requirements

• No requirements

Sixth Avenue Line

•  Bedford Park Boulevard to Brighton Beach (rerouted via the Q line between DeKalb Avenue and 96th Street - 2nd Avenue during weekend rush hours to make room for the diamond C)
•  168th Street to 34th Street - Herald Square (weekday rush hours only)
•  205th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (rerouted via the Q line between DeKalb Avenue and 96th Street - 2nd Avenue during weekend rush hours to make room for the diamond C)
•  205th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (peak express on the IND Concourse Line from Fordham Road to 145th Street; does not operate weekend rush hours)
•  Jamaica–179th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue
•  Jamaica–179th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (Culver peak express with a stop at Bergen Street)
•  Essex Street or Myrtle Avenue to Middle Village–Metropolitan Avenue

Requirements

• None

Reformed NYC Subway (New World New York Program), updated August 26, 2020

•  207th Street to Lefferts Boulevard or Far Rockaway
•  168th Street to West Fourth Street–Washington Square (operates during late nights replacing A/C services)
•  168th Street to Euclid Avenue
•  Bedford Park Blvd to Rockaway Park (replaces the B on the Concourse Branch during weekend rush hours therefore rerouting the B via the Q line)
•  Jamaica/Parsons Archer or Jamaica - 179th Street to WTC (World Trade)
•  Broad Channel to Rockaway Park
•  Bedford Park Blvd to Brighton Beach (all-local, Rerouted via the Q line between DeKalb Avenue and 96th Street - 2nd Avenue during weekend rush hours to make room for the diamond C)
•  Bedford Park Blvd to Brighton Beach (peak express, does not operate on Saturday evening rush hours to make room for the diamond C)
•  205th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue
•  Jamaica–179th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue or Church Avenue
•  Jamaica–179th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue or Church Avenue (Culver peak express with a stop at Bergen Street)
•  Union Turnpike–Kew Gardens, Essex Street or Myrtle Avenue to Middle Village–Metropolitan Avenue
•  Union Turnpike–Kew Gardens to 71st Avenue (late nights only, replacing parts of M services)
•  Union Turnpike–Kew Gardens or Court Square to Church Avenue
•  Bedford Park Blvd to 96th Street - 2nd Avenue (a B via the Q line service; only during weekend rush hours to make room for the diamond C)
•  Bedford Park Blvd to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (a B via the N line service; only during Saturday evening rush hours to make room for the diamond C)
•  Astoria–Ditmars Boulevard to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue
•  Generally an NX but makes stops at Avenues U, M and J
•  Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue to 96th Street - 2nd Avenue
•  Continental Avenue to 95th Street
•  Chambers Street to 95th Street
•  Astoria–Ditmars Boulevard to Whitehall Street–South Ferry or 86th Street
•  Queensboro Plaza to Broadway (late nights only, replacing parts of N services)
•  Harlem–125th Street to Hanover Square
•  Jamaica/Parsons Archer to Broad Street skip-stop (rush hours, other times local)
•  Basically a revival of the QJ
•  Jamaica/Parsons Archer to Broad Street skip-stop (rush hours)
•  Eighth Avenue to Rockaway Parkway (local)
•  Eighth Avenue to Rockaway Parkway (peak express)
• Franklin Avenue to Prospect Park
•  Times Square - 42 Street to Grand Central
•  Van Cortlandt Park–242nd Street to South Ferry
•  Wakefield–241st Street to Flatbush Avenue or New Lots Avenue
•  Harlem–148th Street to New Lots Avenue or Times Square–42nd Street
•  Woodlawn to Crown Heights–Utica Avenue
•  Woodlawn to New Lots Avenue (Bronx peak express)
•  Dyre Avenue to Bowling Green, Utica Avenue, Flatbush Avenue or New Lots
•  Dyre Avenue to Nereid Avenue (rush hours only)
•  Pelham Bay Park or Parkchester to Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall (local)
•  Pelham Bay Park or Parkchester to Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall (peak express)
•  Flushing–Main Street to 10th Avenue (local)
•  Flushing–Main Street to 10th Avenue (peak express)

Would you agree with this proposal reform? Why or why not?

Maptrack 1

Proposal ideas for the New York City Subway, 21 August 2020, page 3 (for numbered lines)

17. Eliminate the  and replace with a skip-stop with the . Therefore, / skip-stop. The  will no longer serve the White Plains Line, or join in with the .

18. Implement the Woodlawn Express service on the , called the .

19. Implement the White Plains Express service on the , called the .

20. Revive the skip-stop service on the , the latter will be called the .

21. Build a new line with IRT specifications to Westchester in New York. Called the IRT Westchester line, it will be pink and it will be served by the , 10 and 11 services. The  and 10 will run in a local manner, and the 11 will run in an express manner.

22. Eliminate the Times Square  and replace it with a 14 which would use parts of the  route, as well as the route to Westchester to reduce overcrowding.

23. Restore the  service under the label 16.

Maptrack is a proposal program for New York City Subway.

Which of the proposals out of the 23 do you like the best, and why?

Maptrack 1

Proposal ideas for the New York City Subway, 21 August 2020, page 2 (for lettered lines)

14. Eliminate the Rockaway , and replace it with a rerouted  and  services.

15. Implement a late-night  service between Queensboro Plaza and Broadway on the  and  lines.

16. Implement a Rockaway Park - Jamaica 179th Street Express service, called the .

Maptrack 1

Proposal ideas for the New York City Subway, 21 August 2020, page 1 (for lettered lines)

1. Restore the JFK  as the .
2. Reroute the  to include 205th Street. Note: The  would be eliminated and be replaced by the re-routed , which would go to Coney Island. There will be the local and express types of B service: local service is the , which makes all stops; the express version is the , which runs express in Brooklyn.
3. Restore the  service (running from Bedford Park Boulevard to Euclid Avenue or Rockaway Park) to replace parts of the  during AM rush hours and to complement the existing  which runs from 168th Street to Euclid Avenue. This is to strengthen the current  service. Doing so will force the  via the  line, giving it the yellow .
4. Make the  stop at Bergen Street.
5. Extend the IND Crosstown Line to Flushing Main Street, and implement a / skip-stop pattern. ( is Rockaway Shuttle's internal designation letter.)
6. Restore the  service as the .
7. Implement a skip-stop pattern for the Canarsie Line, the  and .
8. Eliminate the  and replace with parts of the rerouted ,  and .
9. Restore the  service under the  label.
10. Restore the  service under the new label, the brown .
11. Extend the  to LaGuardia Airport. When the  is extended to LaGuardia Airport, include a new super-express service called the yellow .
12. Reroute the  via the Sixth Avenue Line, and call it the orange .
13. Restore the  service as the turquoise , but it would extend to include the Second Avenue Subway.