MisterSG1

And with that thought process, how often are the Transit Police on trains, yes I know they have over 4,000 officers. Doing a hypothetical order of magnitude problem in your head means that you probably won't see at least transit cop on each train. I guess it goes down to different attitudes of enforcement, the TTC doesn't have an actual police per se, the TTC Special Constables which aren't really a transit police. If a serious incident were to happen on the TTC, the Toronto Police would be involved of course.

Which I explained before, is it really safe to stand in that space? You can mention things from other cities, but you wouldn't catch me ever standing on that metal plate with nothing to hold on to. And by "in theory", I was no expert, but is there a net gain or loss of space, how far was each car apart from each other, maybe one foot apart? The metal plate looks to be about 3 feet long, so in theory, is there any more space? Yes, there is the cab that the driver and guard (I know you call it a conductor) used before which removed space, but the narrowness of the gangway almost seems to cancel out this limiting factor before.

And better yet, the T-series are practically just a reincarnation of the now fully retired H-4, H-5, and H-6 train cars but with better operational features. Such as wider doors, the removal of ceiling to ground poles presumably for easier accessibility. They did however make an error in not attaching metal handles to the ceiling bar which the Toronto Rocket fixed. But other than that, I've always liked the T-1 more. I do commend your thoughts of accessibility, as that is an after thought often. But even so, accessibility on the Toronto Rocket is still a tricky maneuver. The actual train door frame I believe is higher than the platform. This is probably a fault on the part of Bombardier and the city, but it's rather funny (not in the amusing way) that the solution ended up becoming worse than the problem. https://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2011/09/25/wheelchair_users_cant_always_roll_onto_the_rocket.html?rf Going from car to car, this is a significant difference in rider behavior between both cities, but never in my life have I seen anyone walk between cars in Toronto. At a station or while the train is in motion. This is clearly illegal on the MTA but people still do it. The legal way to switch cars is to do the "mad dash" at the next station that I spoke of. As for panhandling, a great frustration is that the TTC does absolutely nothing about it. In Toronto, the underground city known as the PATH, when making the walk through the various lower concourses of the buildings, you almost never saw any panhandling or eccentrics down there, because security got them out if they started. Indeed Toronto's PATH, at points crosses through the non-paid area of subway stations (specifically Dundas, Queen, King, St. Andrew, and Union) to connect to other buildings, and in these sections, yup, you always see those with their cardboard signs or freaking out or whatever even if you only have to walk about 30 feet in TTC property. Indeed while it is a city problem, open gangways just allow for more annoyance from unruly passengers. Yes, anyone can follow you into the next car, but now there's no escaping an undesirable situation completely unless one gets off the train and waits for the next one to come.

I've been on Brampton Transit's Zum Articulated buses plenty of times in the past. An express version of the route uses Hwy 407, and this bus is usually packed. Anyways, I remember standing up in the gangway there, which for starters was much smaller than a gangway seen in the Toronto Rocket or R211 mockup. I've stood up in such a gangway before on a packed bus travelling down Hwy 407 at full speed. What I noticed about the articulated buses is that they don't seem to have the same kind of "swing" as the gangways in the subways do. A bus isn't going to hit a sudden s-curve in the tracks like a subway train can. Any full turns in a bus will be at very slow speeds. Meanwhile in Toronto, I'm not 100% sure of this, but the S-curve immediately south of College Station before reaching Dundas Station on Line 1 happens at a speed somewhere between 20-30 mph, possibly more. I'm sure most of us on this site have a mental map of the trackage in our heads where we go, but for the vast majority of people who aren't transit geeks, unanticipated movements in the gangway can shock someone. I don't know, with my experience of articulated buses (I have a friend who's father spent his whole life at the TTC and he called them 'slinky buses') is that they don't seem to have the same kind of "swing" and off balance feeling that the Toronto Rocket trains do. The difference here, from what I can see is that the old D Types had a gangway that was roughly the size of the passage between trains anyways. Standing in such a spot would not be encouraged at all. The gangway in the TR and R211 is much wider and with such wide space, it encourages the behavior of standing inside the gangway. Also, regarding the Toronto Rocket, you can see in those photos how the trains were poorly designed, they had to add those rubber grips because many people complained that there's few spaces to "hang on" in those trains, particularly under the AC units.

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As you guys are aware I'm sure, Toronto has had trainsets with the gangway in operation since 2011. My question still to this day about these trainsets, is does the gangway overall serve a better purpose than keeping all the cars contained? Yes, in theory people should be able to stand in the gangway, and Toronto's gangways even have poles at all four corners of the gangway: Standing in the gangway may seem ideal in theory during a crush load, But try standing in the gangway during the "S-curve" which follows Spadina station southbound into St. George station and then into Museum. Or similarly, during the "horn" that surrounds Union station. I honestly don't see how anyone can stand safely there. Even a minor s curve of sorts which occurs immediately south of College Station, I nearly got thrown over from the gangway. Methinks that the MTA will probably have a lawsuit on their hands from someone being injured in a gangway. While I haven't been downtown since COVID started, I used to take the subway from the 2017 extension, another side effect that comes with these open trains is for the panhandlers and other eccentrics to basically wander the whole train bothering everyone. At least with isolated units they couldn't wander the whole train. So yeah, if you find yourself in uncomfortable situations, the entire train is fair game rather than individual cars. There were times before in Toronto albeit rarely, where I made a mad dash at a stop to get to the next car. Finally, from a transit enthusiast perspective, let's be honest, while this doesn't really matter functionality, these train sets as proposed removed the rail fan window, so gone are the days where you can look out the front and see the signals. (Which brings me to ATC, where signals would become almost pointless anyways). You can still kind of see through the one way mirror now on the Toronto Rocket but it's a very limited view. So these are my thoughts on the gangway trains.

Okay, let's step back to the beginning. is the subway car filled with the men in suits the same subway car as those with the "punks" and twins? The round door is only seen in shots that involve the subway car with the men in suits which occur at 0:06, which of course the men in suits appear again at 2:03. The fact that I don't believe we see a round door in the shot where you clearly see the "1575" at 0:41 makes me believe that the subway car seen at 0:41 and 1:26 is different from the ones in the other bits above. 0:41 and 1:26 feature the punks/twins rather than the men in suits. Lastly, about the water scene, that's the R11/R34 is it not? Am I right there at least?

So 1575 has a round door on one end and a "square door" at the other then? In the scene with the "twins" at 1:35, you can see a square door rather than a round one. Why I wasn't sure if it was an R7A was the floor, in Hanson's video, the floor looks to be a maroon type color while the actual car is blue, as the car number matches up obviously it's the same car, but do the interior of the cars at the museum get painted or something? Forgive me, I'm an out of towner.

Forgive me if I've posted this topic in the wrong area. Hello, I know this is going to sound odd, but can someone help me identify the retired subway cars in the music video for "Weird" by Hanson? Yes, that Hanson, I don't care what you say, I've always liked this music video for prominently featuring the subway, as well as some elements from 2001 A Space Odyssey. https://youtu.be/32nlxQOe3tw I know that the "establishing shots" if you want to call them that are from West 4th, but what are the train interiors seen in this video? At 1:26 in the "twins" car, is this the R7? Similarly, at 2:03, in the car with the "suits", what model is this? And finally at 2:36, this water car that's superimposed, that's the R11/R34, the train that didn't see any service. I was never sure of it, I went to the transit museum years ago and saw it, but what actually is the story behind it. Did it actually run revenue service ever? And there you have it, I do feel a bit embarrassed to ask this about this song. Nevertheless, a fun fact about that song, Desmond Child, the songwriter said that was his favorite song he ever wrote, the same guy who wrote some big hits for Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, KISS, Joan Jett, and even Ricky Martin.