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Just now, Ale188 said:

Eh, ntbr, but all you're doing is trying to make this entire convo seem like you're the one who knows the entire New York...city. You Joined in on Saturday just to say 'Alr, f**k everyone else. its my time to shine.' When people like Kamen Rider, RandomRider0101, Bill, FLX9304, and others know a lot more than you do, bud. Because most of them work or worked for the subway and/or buses. Keep calm and stfu.

Kamen rider didn't even have any proof of what he was saying was true lmfao. You just sound butthurt because you were proven wrong.

1 minute ago, LGA Link N Train said:

There’s No Rail ROW on Conduit and like I said in my previous post, the Catchment area along Conduit just low rise Residential Buildings and therefore, isn’t strong enough to support a Sufficient Ridership Base. Also Splitting the  and  would Hurt Riders along Jamaica Avenue as that’d basically be a 50% Service Cut. Assuming we don’t address any of the other Bottlenecks that plague the Jamaica Line first. 

How is it a 50% service cut if the is detached from the  and not treated like a skip stop variant.

5 minutes ago, Chris89292 said:

I put the blame on the people that run this state, only they have the power to control crime rates, mta can’t really control it, unless they add a new agency called MTA police, who will be present on all subway cars at all times, which I find it impossible today

Well what about the increased chances of car accidents near these accessible stations. That should be a concern since we have people who have the habit of speeding on the road anyways.

3 minutes ago, LGA Link N Train said:

Conduit has no catchment area outside of Low Rise Residential Buildings. In addition to that, I would advise against adding a branch on the  East of Crescent Street.

 

Also that statement of a Conduit Extension being more realistic than SAS when Phase 2 is literally about to start the construction phase is quite laughable.

What is your reason, The ROW is already exists all you have to do is add an elevated structure. Nobody wants to take the bus anyways.

17 minutes ago, Mtatransit said:

Here is another research topic, Look up the times the Ferry arrives at St George, and ow look at when the local/expresses leave St George. Look at when the SIR arrives at St George, then look at when the Ferry leaves St George. See a pattern?

In most cases the train leaves/arrives before or after the ferry left or arrived at the same time. All you doing is proving everyone else wrong and contradicting yourself. You'll only get the ferry after heading out of the station if you are lucky.

Just now, LGA Link N Train said:

All 3 of these Stations already have or are in the process of getting Elevators… 

It won't improve anything for all NYers since safety comes first then we improve transit.

26 minutes ago, Wallyhorse said:

As has been noted, I think they would have to do additional work.  That is something I'd be looking at doing anyway because of some of the things I posted elsewhere about changes I would make (moving the to Nassau and have it based out of East New York with the replacing it on CTL and becoming 19/7 or 24/7 with a new "Yellow " to supplement the that would begin at 9th Avenue on the  and run with the to Astoria and preserve some Broadway service via Montague and lower Manhattan since with the a full line, some trains would have to terminate on the tunnel level of Canal Street and reverse there via City Hall LL) would then be able to happen more easily, especially this new "Yellow " that could actually run 24/7 that can be based out of 38th Street that way and be able to start at all times at 9th Avenue.  

The  will never be moved to Nassau anytime soon because you are taking away a one seat ride into Midtown & Queens plus it the line would have to be structurally overhauled by using 480 foot trains. It will not provide fair service to in Brooklyn & Manhattan either way.

23 minutes ago, Wallyhorse said:

As has been noted, I think they would have to do additional work.  That is something I'd be looking at doing anyway because of some of the things I posted elsewhere about changes I would make (moving the to Nassau and have it based out of East New York with the replacing it on CTL and becoming 19/7 or 24/7 with a new "Yellow " to supplement the that would begin at 9th Avenue on the  and run with the to Astoria and preserve some Broadway service via Montague and lower Manhattan since with the a full line, some trains would have to terminate on the tunnel level of Canal Street and reverse there via City Hall LL) would then be able to happen more easily, especially this new "Yellow " that could actually run 24/7 that can be based out of 38th Street that way and be able to start at all times at 9th Avenue.  

That's at the border of fantasyland.

23 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about.

SIR's headways are designed to meet with the ferry, hence why they are like that. 9 out of 10 times, they connect with both inbound and outbound ferries.

There's a bunch of SIR stations getting ADA upgrades over the next few years, with some getting elevators this year.

The car shortage has been pretty bad to a point where service was reduced pre-COVID. The effects of said car shortage was also felt elsewhere in the B-Division, so it's not over exaggerated. It has had some noticeable effect with service over the years.

While the Lefferts Blvd branch of the is the higher ridership route, the Far Rockaway side has never been too far off. That branch always sees good ridership(the ridership statistics proves that point). It's not as low as you make it out to be.

Take the bloody tinfoil hat off and stop posting misinformation and your own personal conspiracies. This is not the thread for your bullshit. This thread is about the R211s, not your conspiracy theories and misinformation.

Anyway.......

4050-4054 spotted yesterday going to Jamaica yard last night, got it at Forest Hills. I suppose it did overnight CBTC testing.

 

The car shortage has an easy solution. So then explain the crush loads on the Q52 & Q53 Select Bus Services. Only a few SIR stations are getting ADA upgrades because there is a demand for it. This is no conspiracy theory because I did my own research aside from wikipedia and I've been to most of the stations myself. Cut the bullshit do you even do your own research?

1 minute ago, Cait Sith said:

And how do you know they lied?

The car shortage is/was very real after the unexpectedly early retirement of the R44s. The & lines felt the effects of the shortage for several years, and still do to this very day. Them scrapping more cars than necessary also didn't help when they got rid of more R32s than they should've.

Take your tinfoil hat off.
 

The SIR hasn't had severe car shortages in a long time. They've been able to make service just fine before & after COVID. The system has also been receiving upgrades over the years, so they are pretty far from underfunded.

I've noticed that you've mostly shared misinformation and conspiracies in most topics that you've posted. You will be warned to stop that nonsense. It reeks of trolling activity.

Dude I already know this. They should have just kept the 32s, 40s, & 42s instead of buying those broken down tin cans also known as the NTTs. On the other hand the MTA had enough money to buy brand new cars if anything were to happen to the SMEEs. But no they went on with making brand new subway stations instead. The still has car shortages to this day and you can see this with the headways. Look at what is capping them from running extra trains. They have to run expresses on a two track line during peak direction just to speed up service at the cost of skipping the busier stations like Grasmere, Grant City, New Dorp, & Oakwood Heights and the headways are 15-30 minutes long which is a ridiculous headway for a 14 mile line like the . In fact it is just as bullshit as the , The  Train to Far Rockaway, & The Rockaway Park  headways which do not see much ridership to this day because most people used to and still do xfer to the or buses instead before this Covid thing happened. Now that the  is now the slow and unreliable line and most of that was because of the  & merging and other problems that plague QBL to this day. It hurts everyone. Now with Staten Island and the little funding they get from the MTA because we know they like to funnel money around to the State's pet projects and backdoor deals. You still have people complaining that almost all of the stations are not ADA accessible in Staten Island. Still wonder where is the money for the accessible station in Staten Island? It's in the MTA's pockets.

It doesn't matter anyway since NYCT can easily order new cars anyways. It isn't that bad as you over exaggerated it to be.

25 minutes ago, Mtatransit said:

How would it rob ridership from Amtrak when these two carrier serve different ridership segment? I doubt MNR is going to Albany anytime soon.

plus Amtrak wouldn’t even stop at those local stations anyways

Also the Empire Connection is not electrified despite this project being feasible for double tracking & electrification.

The proposed stops would only slow the speed of the EC Trains because they would be stalled behind Metro North Trains. Amtrak & Metro North Railroad both stop at Yonkers with AMTRAK owning most of the ROW except for most of the stations which are owned by the Metro North Railroad. AMTRAK Trains serve as the super express from NYC to Poughkeepsie. Merging the Metro North Railroad into Penn Station will only cause merging conflicts/delays=bottlenecks. Also you have to consider the logistics of Penn Station. Penn Station uses overrunning 3rd rail while the Metro North Railroad & AMTRAK use underrunning 3rd rail. Which goes back to the days of the Pennsylvania Railroad & the New York Central Railroad before the merger of 

Penn Central/CONRAIL/AMTRAK.

The B17 is one of the most unusual bus routes in Brooklyn aside from the B7. It has two branches that run to the Canarsie Rockaway Parkway Terminal  via Glenwood Road & the East 80th Street branch to Paerdegat Avenue North. What should to happen to them under this redesign? Should one of the branches be redesignated or should both be redesignated entirely?

1 minute ago, Mtatransit said:

The state has the final say. MTA is controlled by the state, Amtrak is subsidized by the state for some of its route. 
 

LIRR is a subsidiary of the MTA. I never had one company where the subsidiary flat out refused the orders from the parent company…

The LIRR can do that by going on a strike until they get what they want. Plus the MTA knows of these loopholes that Nassau & Suffolk counties will do to prevent tourists from coming to Long Island.

Penn Station Access. That shit has FAIL all over it. AMTRAK mostly owns the ROW along with CSX from New York City to Buffalo it would rob ridership from AMTRAK who does not want any bullshit from the Metro North Railroad in their territory.

19 hours ago, Lex said:

I guess your name is Asinus.

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is the parent organization of several entities, which includes the Long Island Rail Road Company. The sheer audacity of claiming that a parent organization needs a child entity's permission to allow a third party any degree of access -- especially when considering an effectively reversed agreement that is still active to this day -- is so far beyond stupid that it's virtually impossible to consider the person making it highly misinformed, particularly around these parts.

If you're looking for a toilet, look elsewhere.

Just because the MTA is the parent organization doesn't MEAN they have the final say. The LIRR & the Metro North Railroad are two SEPARATE railroad companies. For Amtrak to run service into Long Island all parties have to consent to this including Nassau & Suffolk county's representatives. The Long Island Rail Road are sure as hell not willing to give up their tracks in Penn Station on behalf of the Metro North Railroad & are sure as hell not willing to share their ROW with AMTRAK. Move on.

18 minutes ago, Vulturious said:

Ask yourself this, how often do they even send a single R44 car to Coney? It's literally been over a year since one car was shipped from Staten Island to CIY. Safe to say they can handle just about everything with the exception of needing an extra hand. 

They only send them if they need overhauls or if there was an incident that damaged the cars. There's plenty of other maintenance that they do at CI that I highly doubt you and I wouldn't know about. Remember when you said you were pissed off about the corruption running around the MTA. They lied about the car shortage that NYCT had when they had the money to buy additional cars to provide more capacity.

1 hour ago, Comrade96 said:

the 75 cars are basically a 1 for 1 replacement of the 44s, they dint really need another yard

Oh they do. Clifton Yard can't even house most of the cars for the 44s if they need maintenance anyways and they would not be able to because they have to get their shit trucked to Coney Island for maintenance that Clifton can't even perform like an overhaul. That only causes more issues that the system currently has, Hence this is why the SIR has to deal with car shortages unlike the rest of the New York City Subway because of what the MTA has devolved into and the fact that they can't get their shit together.

12 hours ago, IAlam said:

With the SIM System looking at the old system and the current system, heck even the day 1 route network after the redesign, I'd say overall it was a win for SI. While it's not perfect the South Shore got more direct routes and now the SIM23/34 are part of the MTA which is something was was really wanted back then. On the North Shore while people weren't happy with the route shuffling the off-peak network has a major boost. Before you only had the X1 to the east X10 to the north and X17 to the west. There was a push for X12 to have an off-peak service, but it never came to be. At its current state, the SIM3c and SIM33c basically cover the X10 and X12 and provide frequent service in the areas they overlap and are near each other. The SIM4c runs later into the day as opposed to the X17 I believe that ended around 4 PM and now it ends at 7 PM. While it's not perfect I still believe it was an improvement.

Also with regards to the SIR, they're getting new trains as we speak. They are currently testing the R211's and there are 75 cars on order (15 trains) if you want to discuss that I suggest going to the R211 thread on the subway forum.

 

11 hours ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

@IAlam Definitely not on Day 1...they had giant gaps between peak and off-peak service (a few of which remain to a certain extent today). They copy-pasted a bunch of old schedules onto the new routes without double-checking.

Now that they fixed most of the issues, I do believe that it is somewhat better than the old system, but still nowhere near as good as it should be. There was too much "Give them what they had before" which defeats the whole purpose of a redesign. 

It was a service cut in disguise. This is what they did to Staten Island before moving on to Brooklyn & Queens. Brooklyn & Queens residents weren’t having that shit with their bus routes being cut for supplementary and long unreliable bus routes. Ffs this is what BrooklynBus was trying to tell y'all before everyone bitched at him for it.

10 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

They store trains in the yard near Coney Island. No need to use 38th Street. Besides I don't think they can increase service much more than current levels because of merges with the , and lines. 

Coney Island Yard is at capacity. 38th Street is not, It has the additional capacity to store extra trains for the .

1 minute ago, Amiri the subway guy said:

That’s exactly what I’ve been trying to them him

Well we both know nothing is free. At the end of the day we all have to pay for our subway/bus fares if we like it or not.

The  extension via Conduit Blvd is the more realistic idea rather than the fantasy proposed Second Avenue Subway will ever be which will only serves Manhattan itself.

Brooklyn, Queens & The Bronx have always outnumbered Manhattan 3 to 1. Tunnel Boring Machines are expensive as hell and it also takes more time to construct a subway line underground which can be very time consuming. The realistic option for the extension via Conduit Blvd is to use a modernized elevated structure with no emissions. The last borough that should be bitching about service is Manhattan since they get fair service compared to the rest of the boroughs.

5 hours ago, TMC said:

The  should be eliminated, and no subway line should touch JFK Airport. The AirTrain should be made free, that’s it. 

The  is not going to be eliminated due to NIMBYs in Richmond Hill & Woodhaven complaining about the lack of "fair service" Unless there is an extreme budget cut.

The AirTrain & is owned by the airport itself and should not be made free. That's socialism.

Most of public transportation isn't free. Maybe the subway should be free, that would just encourage turnstile jumpers to do jump the turnstiles even more despite the multiple busts of these guys that I've seen on the subway by the NYPD. The Staten Island Railway loses $500 Million dollars annually because of this shit. Your fares go to the salary of the bus operator and/or train crews & to fixing the station. Not your fantasy ideas or your leisure.

The Staten Island Railway is underfunded and the car shortages makes it even worse. Not only that though for maintenance they only have a single yard to do so with problems that plague the line to its core. An additional yard for maintenance/storage is required to accommodate additional trains. The R211S delivery will accelerate the issue including the fact that the SIR is required to be CBTC ready by this time and I highly doubt the TA would waste money into, Plus they are going to be NIMBYs who won't like the vibrations disrupting their peace anyway. Move on

5 hours ago, TMC said:

The  should be eliminated, and no subway line should touch JFK Airport. The AirTrain should be made free, that’s it. 

Conduit Blvd's ROW can fit two tracks. What's wrong with extending subway service to the area

1 hour ago, Kamen Rider said:

The MTA owns Metro-North and LIRR and have final say on everything ether of them do.

Why do you two hang on to this insane nonsense? Nothing ether of of you have said is true and you’re sitting there having these crying fits when I call out your misinformation.

fact: the MTA owns both railroad companies outright and by extension all thier properties. This is like arguing that the person who runs Disneyland doesn’t have to listen to Disney Corporate.

fact: the MTA has final say on all decisions affecting these companies. If the MTA is okay with Amtrak running to Ronkonkoma, the LIRR must abide by that decision. Also the Ronkonkoma extension is still on their maps and website.

fact: the only Amtrak owned and operated trackage the MTA currently uses is the east river tunnels and Penn station.

Fact:The only east of Hudson trackage Metro-North uses but does not own is the trackage owned by CDOT.

 

all of this is readily available, public information.

you want to live in a fantasy world, that’s on you two. You’re not dragging the rest of us along for the ride. It’s misinformation like what you’re spouting here is how dangerous rumors start.

The LIRR has the final say, the MTA has to negotiate with Long Island and its representatives if they demand Amtrak service in Long Island. Do you not see the political barriers at all?